I hear you, JimT; I'm still chuckling...

Artistic? What's this? A new name for flip-flop "flying", and standing a fixed-wing model on it's tail?

Steve

Nope, its new category where the flying is done to music to try and get more spectators into the hobby.

And what kind of flying do you do? Simple patters rolls and loops, or endless circles (with a crash landing) like a warbird? You see, I can make your style of flying sound stupid too. You fly the way you want, I will fly the way I want. By the way, can you even hover a plane? If you can't you dont have the right to go around saying that its stupid, because it takes more skill than doin a roll or loop or other stuff someone like you would do.

Easy boys....

This is a thread about splitting the forum..

I think its a great idea.It would make an already great forum loads better!My awnswer is YES

Ah, I see my initial suspicions are confirmed.

The pattern elite fear the undisciplined flip-floppers are taking over!

This is sort of like the country club meets the urban skateboard gang. Both want the whole park to themselves and neither really has much appreciation for the other's discipline.

Nice analogy Wind Junkie about the country club and skateboarders. Skiers and Snowboarders are another good example

However, in this case the NSRCA, which is the Special Interest Group for Pattern flying, is endorsing and promoting "Artistic Aerobatics", which is Pattern's answer to the IMAC freestyle (or flip flopping).

It's my impression that people in both IMAC and Pattern can marvel at the incredible feats of 3D flying, however both IMAC and Pattern are based on the fundamentals of precision flying. Indeed even TOC, which derives much attention for it's freestyle, is primarily judged on precision flying.

Therefore, if one desires to compete and be competitive they must perfect their precision skills. That's why Pattern and IMAC competitors desire to primarily focus in on precision flying. It's not that all precision fliers don't respect 3D flying.

3D attracts a lot of attention even from those who don't care about precision flying and competition. This is fine and in fact probably great for the hobby if it draws more interest and participation. I don't really see this as anything new as this hobby has always had more people just flying for fun than competing, that's just normal.

Keith

<<...I can make your style of flying sound stupid too...>>

Goodness; methinks I touched a nerve.

I don't recall the word "stupid" being used anywhere in my post. Although I can see where you would get that impression, such was not my intention.

And no, I cannot hover a fixed wing model. I have helicopters if I feel the urge to hover something. I did try it, but I don't think my model airplane has sufficient power-to-weight; it kept falling to the tail.

Can you hold a nose-in hover with a model helicopter? Trust me, that is just as difficult as keeping a plank standing on it's tail.

Sorry to have appeared to be a weisenheimer, and to have brought out the same gene in you...<G>

Steve

Hey man its cool. I think I took it too personally. Sorry. I thought your post was trying to say that 3D flying was stupid, annoying....whatever you want to call it. To answer your question, yes I can hover a heli nose in and inverted (on realflight anyway)...<G> I love precision flying almost as much as "flip-flopping" as some people call it. I just don't like it when people criticize other peoples flying styles because they can't or don't like to do it. Sorry again. Cya later

I am for the split up, I like both but it would be easier to look for topics of interest.