Why Stand So Close?
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Probably in its current form it comes from the snow and skate boarding community. Everyone from frisbee players to mountain bikers seem to use the term.
It is easier than using "screwing around" or "hey y'all watch this".
In earlier times it was also a regional expression for carrying a heavy load on your back or doing grunt work.
It is easier than using "screwing around" or "hey y'all watch this".

In earlier times it was also a regional expression for carrying a heavy load on your back or doing grunt work.
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Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
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... your more likely to get hurt or killed going to or from the field then at the field.
... your more likely to get hurt or killed going to or from the field then at the field.
I have not found single person that flies 3D that wishes anyone to get hurt. Even the most extreme flyers, that I have observed, have a sense of courtesy that allows everyone their chance to enjoy equal time at the flight line. But I have observed many non-3D flyers try to control all the time at the flight-line by playing the onerous safety card.
Flying 3D is far less dangerous than many other activities of recreation. I am sure we all know more than one person that is paralyzed from other less scrutinized activities, such as swimming or horseback riding. Also I bet most of us can name at least one death from more readily accepted sports or activities. Those injuries, from other activities, did not mean the end of that sport nor will such injuries resulting from flying model airplanes end model airplane flying nor should it. To put things into perspective; Take a look at lumberjack sports…there are even less lumberjack enthusiasts involved, percentage wise, than r/c but a death or injury doesn’t end their sport. If we took the mindset of some there would no longer be full scale air shows. I am glad the whiners and complainers continue to lose but it sure gets tiresome maintaining a defense against those that P&M and only care to bring everyone down to their low level of performance.
For us (model enthusiasts) to continue portraying the hobby or any aspect of it as overly dangerous is only working against us...all of us. So… cut it out!!!!!
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Probably in its current form it comes from the snow and skate boarding community. Everyone from frisbee players to mountain bikers seem to use the term.
It is easier than using "screwing around" or "hey y'all watch this".
In earlier times it was also a regional expression for carrying a heavy load on your back or doing grunt work.
Probably in its current form it comes from the snow and skate boarding community. Everyone from frisbee players to mountain bikers seem to use the term.
It is easier than using "screwing around" or "hey y'all watch this".

In earlier times it was also a regional expression for carrying a heavy load on your back or doing grunt work.
ORIGINAL: Flyfalcons
Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
So when I hear the term used in 3D I think of it as throwing my plane around down low. hucking down low.
can't find much on google other than the aforementioned use in extreme sports.
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Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
Where did this term "hucking" come from? It sounds dorky.
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Hey I'm welcome to have any opinion I would like, as long as it's within the forum rules. What other negative opinions do I have that concern you? To me saying "hucking" when describing a flying style sounds, well, "funny". I don't follow all of the "fastest growing sports" so I hadn't heard the term before.
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I think the guys over at Flying Cirkus coined the term "hucking". At least thats where it seems to have gotten started.
Im all about hovering down low and in close... When Im comfortable I do it. I know there isnt one way to sum all of this up once and for all but I will just say that different skill levels will allow different people to safely accomplish different things. There are guys out there that are so good at low altitude high alpha flying that barring an equipment failure they almost cannot make a mistake bad enough to crash. Sortof like the dad in " To kill a mockingbird" that was jut absolutely unable to miss. Once you get the feel for it hovering is not that hard... With a lot of practice, doing it is as easy for some pilots as riding a bike or driving a car... If you cannot, I know that this is difficult to understand.. These guys that are good at it have practiced so much that most of non aerobatic flyers would not believe it. Conversely there are seriously guys that have been flying for 20 years that can just barely land a plane and are in risk of crashing at any moment during a flight.. If you made me pick who I would rather stand next to during a flight, the choice would be easy. That being said...I have been know to quick step back a step or two if I get the feel that someone elses plane is getting alittle too close.
Now, Im going to contradict myself here and state an AMA rule...There must be an imaginary flight line at an AMA field 25' off of, and parallel to the runways edge that extends infinitely. It is not permissible by AMA rules for a pilot to have a plane, in flight within 25'of himself and the pilot must fly from behind this line. Im having prolems with my adobe applications right now or I would copy a quote straight out of the AMA rulebook. Go check for yourself and see if Im off. At least that was the rule when we rewrote our Club constitution's safety rules last year. Has it changed?
Im all about hovering down low and in close... When Im comfortable I do it. I know there isnt one way to sum all of this up once and for all but I will just say that different skill levels will allow different people to safely accomplish different things. There are guys out there that are so good at low altitude high alpha flying that barring an equipment failure they almost cannot make a mistake bad enough to crash. Sortof like the dad in " To kill a mockingbird" that was jut absolutely unable to miss. Once you get the feel for it hovering is not that hard... With a lot of practice, doing it is as easy for some pilots as riding a bike or driving a car... If you cannot, I know that this is difficult to understand.. These guys that are good at it have practiced so much that most of non aerobatic flyers would not believe it. Conversely there are seriously guys that have been flying for 20 years that can just barely land a plane and are in risk of crashing at any moment during a flight.. If you made me pick who I would rather stand next to during a flight, the choice would be easy. That being said...I have been know to quick step back a step or two if I get the feel that someone elses plane is getting alittle too close.
Now, Im going to contradict myself here and state an AMA rule...There must be an imaginary flight line at an AMA field 25' off of, and parallel to the runways edge that extends infinitely. It is not permissible by AMA rules for a pilot to have a plane, in flight within 25'of himself and the pilot must fly from behind this line. Im having prolems with my adobe applications right now or I would copy a quote straight out of the AMA rulebook. Go check for yourself and see if Im off. At least that was the rule when we rewrote our Club constitution's safety rules last year. Has it changed?
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I love the jealous bit; it really shows a low level of maturity when you have to make that argument.
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i think there are some possibly jealous people here? bitter?
i think there are some possibly jealous people here? bitter?
Ryan, as a moderator, why not take the lead here and steer conversations in a positive way? If you like to get involved in the petty fighting, then maybe give up your moderator title.
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Mike, if you look at rules 4 and 7, they address a safety line that no flying may be behind, but do not specify where that line must be (ie, on the runway edge, 25 feet out, etc). The rules also specify that a pilot may not fly within 25 feet of others (excluding takeoff and landing) with the exception of himself and helper(s). Looking at these two rules, it looks like walking onto the runway and hovering in your face is permitted, but flying behind the flightline and touching the model is not. Obviously I don't think it's a good idea to be walking out on the runway unless you are flying by yourself and no one else is getting ready to fly.
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I'll take your advice under consideration aviti, but just because you disagree with my opinions doesn't mean I'm a bad moderator. Fortunately the guys in this (3d) forum are much better than others so I am rarely having to delete posts, edit cursing, etc. I'm just glad I don't moderate the jets forum - you want to see bickering and childish behavior go check out some of those threads. As far as questioning the maturity of a poster, it's easy to do when immature comments are made.
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Ryan - I appreciate your response. I also understand where you are coming from. In fact, I never said I disagreed with your posts in fact most times I share your opinion. I only questioned the tone of your posts considering your role as moderator. I view your role as an important one as it sets the overall tone for this site. Anyway, thanks for listening.
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No they don't. Many clubs don't have pilot stations.
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Do ama rules state you must fly from a "pilots station"?
Do ama rules state you must fly from a "pilots station"?
Clubs can make more stringent rules they want as long as they are within the AMA rule boundaries.
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Hey I'm welcome to have any opinion I would like, as long as it's within the forum rules. What other negative opinions do I have that concern you? To me saying "hucking" when describing a flying style sounds, well, "funny". I don't follow all of the "fastest growing sports" so I hadn't heard the term before.
Hey I'm welcome to have any opinion I would like, as long as it's within the forum rules. What other negative opinions do I have that concern you? To me saying "hucking" when describing a flying style sounds, well, "funny". I don't follow all of the "fastest growing sports" so I hadn't heard the term before.
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I didnt think anything of it myself....there seems to be a lot of people being overly-sensitive around here lately..
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Hey I'm welcome to have any opinion I would like, as long as it's within the forum rules. What other negative opinions do I have that concern you? To me saying "hucking" when describing a flying style sounds, well, "funny". I don't follow all of the "fastest growing sports" so I hadn't heard the term before.
Hey I'm welcome to have any opinion I would like, as long as it's within the forum rules. What other negative opinions do I have that concern you? To me saying "hucking" when describing a flying style sounds, well, "funny". I don't follow all of the "fastest growing sports" so I hadn't heard the term before.
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Interesting discussion. It makes me sad that the hardcore 3D guys in this discussion get so defensive or even nasty when someone questions their motivation for getting so close. I know that 3D has a bad reputation at a lot of clubs, and is not well accepted in some circles. The 3D guys are already on the defense, and when I asked the question, a few of the guys have had some pretty snide comments and reactions.
It was just a question. I just wanted to know if there was an advantage to being so close. We all know it's dangerous--thats a given.
But, it saddens me to see how quickly some of the negative attitudes come out when people wrongly perceive that they are being attacked. It was just a simple question--with no hidden agenda.
I'm going to quit using the term "huckin" now. I don't much care for teenage slang and skateboarders or BMX teenagers. So, if thats where "huckin" came from--then I won't be using it anymore.
It was just a question. I just wanted to know if there was an advantage to being so close. We all know it's dangerous--thats a given.
But, it saddens me to see how quickly some of the negative attitudes come out when people wrongly perceive that they are being attacked. It was just a simple question--with no hidden agenda.
I'm going to quit using the term "huckin" now. I don't much care for teenage slang and skateboarders or BMX teenagers. So, if thats where "huckin" came from--then I won't be using it anymore.
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OH boy,, you guys are makin me feel old.. quit it!
You want to know why they get close...
1. Its a cool feeling to be in control at that distance.
2. Once you get to a certain point it gets a lot easier to go ahead and get it in really close to make it a little easier to control.
3. The pure challenge of it.
You want to know why they get close...
1. Its a cool feeling to be in control at that distance.
2. Once you get to a certain point it gets a lot easier to go ahead and get it in really close to make it a little easier to control.
3. The pure challenge of it.
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Well I will be honest flying hard 3D probably causes them to get worn out a lot faster. Same thing happens in full scale aerobatics. I.E. they break the planes down and go over everything.
They dont call me the tail snapper for nothing. I think its the same with blenders too?
I dont think I have a negative attitude at all. I like all types of flying. I like to fly helis, gliders, whatever. I am also quick to take someone up on a trainer box or help someone land or fly the pattern better.
We all started somewhere. I just wish I would have realized I would have gone to 40% sooner. Would have saved a bunch of money. I do have to thank Tony for telling me 33-35% was the way to go. The flying got so much more fun at that size.
They dont call me the tail snapper for nothing. I think its the same with blenders too?
I dont think I have a negative attitude at all. I like all types of flying. I like to fly helis, gliders, whatever. I am also quick to take someone up on a trainer box or help someone land or fly the pattern better.
We all started somewhere. I just wish I would have realized I would have gone to 40% sooner. Would have saved a bunch of money. I do have to thank Tony for telling me 33-35% was the way to go. The flying got so much more fun at that size.
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RCpilot - Its not the original question that sets people off, its the bashers that jump in and start up about how 3D is so dangerous. You may or may not have had an agenda when you asked the question but the bashers love to get on these threads and talk about how 3D pilots are bad bad bad. That being said, I read your question as "stirring the pot". Whether you meant it that way or not, look at where the discussion has gone.
"I don't much care for teenage slang and skateboarders or BMX teenagers." This sorta gives some insight into how your question was meant. 3D is starting to be the skateboarding side of RC. People don't understand it so they try to get rid of it.
This is a 3D forum and I am proud to say I love the style of flying, I do so safely, and I get irritated by the bashers who have no idea what they are talking about.
If I went over to the warbird forum and asked "why do warbird flyers make high speed low passes right over the runway?", do you think they'd assume I was just wondering why that's a fun thing to do or that I was attacking the style of flying? I bet they don't appreciate the question.
"I don't much care for teenage slang and skateboarders or BMX teenagers." This sorta gives some insight into how your question was meant. 3D is starting to be the skateboarding side of RC. People don't understand it so they try to get rid of it.
This is a 3D forum and I am proud to say I love the style of flying, I do so safely, and I get irritated by the bashers who have no idea what they are talking about.
If I went over to the warbird forum and asked "why do warbird flyers make high speed low passes right over the runway?", do you think they'd assume I was just wondering why that's a fun thing to do or that I was attacking the style of flying? I bet they don't appreciate the question.
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This is a 3D forum and I am proud to say I love the style of flying, I do so safely, and I get irritated by the bashers who have no idea what they are talking about.
This is a 3D forum and I am proud to say I love the style of flying, I do so safely, and I get irritated by the bashers who have no idea what they are talking about.
PS I agree with Wayne..it does make for some cool pictures!
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Well, 3D really can be extra dangerous as can low altitude high speed passes over the runway.. If you get a person who doesnt know their limits and they try to do too much, too low it can get extremely dangerous. There was a guy a few weeks ago with a 46% H9 Ultimate that thought he was a good enough 3D pilot to get low and right on the runway with a crowd at the field... He lost control and before he knew it the plane was flying about 3' off the ground right through a crowded pit area. It was an EXTREMLY close call.. The point is, its ok to get low and close.. But be please dont gamble.. Be sure you know EXACTLY what you are doing, how you are going to do it and when to do it. What you do when you are all alone or with a consenting buddy at the field is 1 thing, thats where you push the limits a little bit at a time. We all have to know our limits and stay within them,
If there is 1 thing about RC flying period.. not just 3D,,, its people who either dont know their limitations or just ignore them and try to go for it anyway.. A person should always know if they are in control,, and will be in control in 2-3-5 10 seconds. If you arent 100% sure then you need to get out of there, resituate yourself and start over.. Not only can you kill yourself but worse you can hurt or kill someone else.
If there is 1 thing about RC flying period.. not just 3D,,, its people who either dont know their limitations or just ignore them and try to go for it anyway.. A person should always know if they are in control,, and will be in control in 2-3-5 10 seconds. If you arent 100% sure then you need to get out of there, resituate yourself and start over.. Not only can you kill yourself but worse you can hurt or kill someone else.
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For me..... It's the thrill factor...... On the edge..... Blood pumping.....
It is very dangerous!! As we all know anything could happen... And not just some
wrong move on your part..... Knowing what you are capable of doing along with
having all up to par on your equipment... Helps eliminate some of what can go
wrong... But as we know....... Anything can happen anytime!!!
I like being close... It makes it eaiser to see what is going on... But I do agree...
It is not safe!!!... "Most" the time when I do it in your face.... There is only one or
two people left at the field, and I'm on the opposite side of the field.... It does not
make it right.... But gives some leeway.... And I will plant it, if it gets out of hand
that is if I have control... ohhh and my second move was wrong too.......:-(
It is very dangerous!! As we all know anything could happen... And not just some
wrong move on your part..... Knowing what you are capable of doing along with
having all up to par on your equipment... Helps eliminate some of what can go
wrong... But as we know....... Anything can happen anytime!!!
I like being close... It makes it eaiser to see what is going on... But I do agree...
It is not safe!!!... "Most" the time when I do it in your face.... There is only one or
two people left at the field, and I'm on the opposite side of the field.... It does not
make it right.... But gives some leeway.... And I will plant it, if it gets out of hand
that is if I have control... ohhh and my second move was wrong too.......:-(
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I geuss it is kinda like the people you see at rally/baja races standing right on the road.
we have all seen the tapes when things go wrong,and putting yourself there is your own fault
i like to be in control and when i'm not,i get the heck out of the damage path
we have all seen the tapes when things go wrong,and putting yourself there is your own fault
i like to be in control and when i'm not,i get the heck out of the damage path


