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ooo, also, what's the finial weight? I know you should be close to figuring it out. I'm quite interested really, since your one of the few who decided to try and lighten it up as much as possible.

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Don't tell him, but he's got a pusher prop!:D

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Can you estimate what you'd have had to move the engine back to negate cutting the cowl for the muffler?

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Not quite to final weigh in...

Prop? I paint them MSC's and put a little trim paint on the tips too... Cut vinyl logo/size, apply and clearcoat the whole deal. If you're gonna add noseweight, it might as well be purdy-fying... :)



Peter... Pusher prop? Nope... look again... it's on right... :)

It would have to go back 3/4" to JUST clear... maybe enough to not worry about heat... 1" would be for sure.

I couls have also taken the muffler to a ginder and ground an angle into the front of it and had a plate welded to the resulting opening... then it would have looked like the BME 110 muffler... only with the angle at the needed area...

Just isn't worth the effort... ZDZ guys may not have this issue at all (well RCHotDog didn't anyway) but he's using the inv. pitts... the DA stock muffler WILL fit the ZDZ just fine btw... same header/bolt pattern. It's possible that the porp hub is further away from the head than the DA (In other owrds it may have a longer nose)

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I know I know... poor r/c humour;)

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Hi Guys
I flew my Yak 6 more times today....the more I fly it the BETTER I like it!!! ITs mostly THE best model I have EVER flown....You guys that have one even lighter are going to be blown away!!....One tip I thought of today.....As for the canopy attachment....as those of you who are building the airplane.... you have most likely noticed the concave area on the canopy at the edge....this does not lend itself well to most types of glue....heres another solution go to any automotive store and purchase a roll of 1/2 wide emblem attachment tape...use it on the sides ...glue the front and back as you normalley do.....just a word of caution make SURE you have the canopy postioned as you want it....once you put pressure on the tape its stuck for good....
Regards

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Very nice to hear, mine is on hold until 5955`s come off of back order, and a new cowl from Lanier :(

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32hybo!!!!!!!!!

You went flying without me??????????

How was the field?

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It was GREAt in all respects.....Guess you learned your lesson...stay home.....

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hahaha.....:D

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I usually use colored electrical tape plus small shoulder screws to mount my canopies. Never a worry with that.

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OK guys, I need some input here. I don't have a protractor to set my throws for my Yak. Can somebody tell me what they have their throws set at? Or even better, give me a conversion from degrees to inches both Lo and High rates.
Thanks a bunch!!! [sm=thumbup.gif]

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Sold mine yesterday NIB. Decided to buy 33% Yak. I think that more weight should mean more plane. This plane broke me from buying anything Lanier has to sell. If a company is going to lie about there products, they should not be allowed to be in business. When you say 50-80cc and 16.5-18 lbs., that should mean 16.5lbs. w/50cc and 18lbs. w/80cc, not 18lbs.w/50cc and a little modification. When I talked to them about the weight issues, they didn't act to concerned. If I had a customer bring a problem to my attention, I would do whatever I had to do to solve the problem, even if it ment buying the product back to keep me from getting a bad name. If they had only advertised the real weights, we would know what we were getting and be prepared to do lightening mods. Then again, they wouldn't have even been able to sell any planes. I truley hope that these planes fly extreamly well for those who decided to build one, and I'm sure that it will. I just don't want to buy an ARF and have to modify it. That just defeats the whole ARF idea. Sorry if I have offended anyone. That was not at all my intentions. I just personally felt cheeted with this plane and needed to vent. Ahhhhh. I'm much better now.

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I don't have the Lanier Yak but my friend 32HyBo does and this plane does the best inverted flat spin I have seen. I wouldn't be afraid of flying this plane with a DA 50. Yesterday I saw 32HyBo put his Yak through every 3d maneuver and then some. KE 2 foot off the dirt, hovering, blender, waterfall, snaps, cubans...ect and the plane performed flawlessly.

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You have to realize, that just about every manufacutrer "lies" about weight. I would like to more say "under estimates" their weights. My buddy's Toc Yak comes in at 19 lbs. A whole 3 lbs heavier than advertised. Yes, he did do some things that made it heavier, but still, I doubt that 3 lbs was the case. Anyway, the deal is, the manufacturers tend to embelish a tad, it is going to happen, no matter what. As for this Yak, best one I have flown so far, only flown the TOC, but worh the money, for the little extra work I had to put into it. Just my 2 cents

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I FINALLY got out for four more flights this weekend before the face bighting New England winds started to kick up again. Did some playing around with props and ended up back to my original Mezjlik 24-10, for now. Going to try to get a bigger stick with less pitch.
I have no bad things to say about flying this plane even though I'm well over 19 pounds W/ a 70 cc unit up front. I was down on the deck all day yesterday, absolutely no bad habits. Ended up banging the tail wheel into the rudder a few times , that will need to be replaced. I stuck with the stock one but it wont last long. Bends very easily and a few tail touches or dragging the tail around will have it all out of shape. I did some crazy stuff with flaperons mixed in. These surfaces are extreme! getting into a flat and switching from clockwise to counter clockwise is hilarious. Anyhow, I think for the money this is an awesome deal. Could they raise the price and include better hardware? Certainly. But over all IMHO its a great airframe ( a little heavy) and a great design.

Sorry you decided to sell yours flyrccg, True its well over the advertised weights but honestly there is almost nothing in the way of ARF's out there that isn’t by at least just a little. I learned years ago that if you really want to control exactly how much a plane weighs you really have to build it yourself (with VERY few exceptions).
I'm afraid that all this almost fanatical focus on weight these days is causing many to lose focus on how well an airframe is designed.

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I would like to help you out IflywhenIcan, but I just eyeballed everything and just set everything up by my gut feelings of how it would fly. Like I said in previous posts, I haven't quite dialed it in yet. That will be when I can spend hours at the field at a time just tweaking here and there, unitl I hit perfection.

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I'll try and get you some figures later today... I'm at that point...

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Thanks Maudib...

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Maiden flight today 3/28. Cool! I mean the plane. Started to dial it in. It will be real easy, as there are no intrinsic bad habits. Need to steer the harrier with the rudder, and not let it stall completely out. It will be a fine plane.
I am using a new ZDZ60, so it is running rich, with a 24X8 and have acceleration from a standing vert. It hangs on the prop very easily.
I have a couple of issues that I was a little disappointed with. The tailwheel bracket is too soft. I added a pc of aluminum flat stock between the forward screw and where it bends horizontal right before the tailwheel and made kind of a triangle which adds very little weight and stiffens of the whole bracket. Got rid of that silly foam tailwheel, put in a solid one.
AUW turned out to be 20#, 7.5 oz with wheel pants on, a few fl. oz of fuel left in the tank.
Lost a two canopy hold down screws. Not sure what to do there, maybe just some lok-tite or a locking washer.
I used the inverted wrap around super sonic muffler and it fits nicely, with just 1.5" standoffs. Using a carbon fiber cone with wooden prop for now. Weight is no longer a concern. This thing flies wonderfully.
More important than keeping weight down (as this thread has mostly dealt with) is dialing it in to fit my flying style. I started with the CG dead on and now am going to move it back some.
More "testing" hopefully if the weather holds. Today it was sunny and still at 70 degrees in Joplin MO.
Can't wait to do more "research". It is a definite "keeper"

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Patternman, Howdy neighbor.....we had 4 club members at the field today enjoying the weather. We had 2 Yaks up (Lanier and TOC1).

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Congrats Patt. I never doubted the ability of the plane even at the higher weights. But seems like your first impression was just as good as mine. Awsome!!!!!!!
Also I had promised to do a weigh in on a DA 50. I got on my calibrated work scale 48.1 oz for the engine (plug and prop washer and screws) and 4 oz for the ignition. This gives a total of 52.1 oz. Advertised weight is 47.04 oz for the engine. Not bad only an ounce off. Anyway, this is about 2 oz overall lighter than the ZDZ 50. Interesting to me, because side by side the DA looks as if it should a LOT lighter than the ZDZ. I guess now I would be interested to run the 2 different engines side by side once broken in, on the smae prop and see the difference there.

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Keep in mind that your weight on the DA probably does not include the standoffs... Because the DA's mounting ears are farther forward, it will require longer standoffs than the ZDZ for the same application... so their weight is nearly identical.

You will love the way the DA starts and outs out power.... you'll like the transition too...

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I wish it were mine, but unfortunetly it's not. I just borrowed it to weigh it. But I am really interested in a side by side power output comparison between the DA and ZDZ. I wonder if they about the same, or one is just so much more that you can feel the difference. I have never seen the 2 in a similar application, side by side, so it has been hard to judge. But from the 20 or so ZDZ's I have run or seen run, I wouldn't think the DA could be that much more powerful. (Our club tends to be a ZDZ club)

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I don't think you will find that much difference... perhaps 200-300 rpm with stock muffler (which may be where the power comes from) Unless you get the DA stock muffler for the ZDZ, you end up with a Supersonic/Bisson/Slimline Inv. pitts and they often rob an engine of 200-600 rpm... no lie...

Put the same muffler on a DA and it too will lose similar power. ZDZ is a good, powerful engine too... no slouch at all and perhaps these two are tops in power in the 50cc class...