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If you keep electronic ignition parts away from radio parts and take proper care that linkages arn't metal to metal you should be ok ... I never needed pcm in 10 years of flying giants with gassers.
Make sure you range test it with engine running

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Thanks guys! I'll stick to my FM for now. I'm in the process of gluing the point hinges to the ailerons using Gorilla Glue. I've never used the stuff, not sure if I'm putting enough. I did oil the center of the hinges and all seem to be going good so far. I'll wait till the morning to do the pull test.

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ricomary,

I never have used a PCM radio for my gas powered planes. Bubagates is right in that one must get rid of the cause of any RF interference before spending money in expensive electronics. Only time I was hit by RF noise was due to a loose spark plug vibrating and causing arcing that went right to the receiver.

I use an EDM EDR-111 Pow'R Bus Pro on most of my giant scale planes mostly for my own peace of mind. That's because the EDR-111 provides buffering and amplification to prevent noise and loss of signal when you are using very long servo lines and to isolate the power source from the receiver and servos. That's a personal choice, not in any way mandatory, as long as you don't have any source of RF interference.

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hey bubba, i just got my da 50 sitting in front of me, and i was just wondering How the heck did u work out the thrust line to put this motor on the GP cap.... and the bolt pattern??

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I put my EI unit on the left outside of the engine box and wrapped it in 3" aluminum foil ducting tape for further shielding. Don't have any problems with RF interference but it sounds like you may be getting outside interference. Pretty hard to control that without PCM. Ask your club members if they have tried any other fixes for the outside RF they are experiencing and make sure you program a failsafe to cut your engine if you do get a hit. Be careful with that polyurethane glue, it foams up quite a bit.

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The Cap is on the bench being built, not at the field. The big gasser pilot's at the field recommended that I use a PCM, they fly the BIG gasser 96 to 120 inch with DA-150's. The inside of their Fuse looks like an electronic store, very intimidating to say the least. Any way, putting things in perspective, my Cap is much smaller and will be set up for sport flying (not 3Ding). I didn't think it was necessary to jump on a PCM when I have not had any problems yet. I do agree that any bad RF should be fixed and not masked by the PCM as mentioned by Bubbagates, makes sense to me. The guys at the field are great guys and really know their stuff when it comes to the big one, I'm just don't think my Cap is in their class and needs the very top of the line equipment....I'd like to keep it simple, safe and enjoyable for me. Y'up that Gorilla glue does foam up :))

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Aussie

I have a template that you can use. You can download it from here

http://www.hiddenhangarrc.com/pdf/DA...l-template.pdf

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I just finished my Cap 232 with the FX1.60 engine and Pitts muffler. It was just a little over l2 lbs. I was supprised with the light weight. Mine usually come in a little heavy as I do a lot of re-glueing. Everything fit well. Hope it flys a well as it looks.
Bob[sm=lol.gif]

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Bob,

Here is a video of one a friend of mine had with the same setup you have at the same weight

http://www.hiddenhangarrc.com/video/...vincentcap.wmv

The 160 definitely flies it well

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oh thanks bubba,
maybe another dumb question about the da, The 4 Bolts hold the prop on and the one Bolt thread is for the spinner right..?? The bolt that comes with the cap ( Spinner ) does that fit on there.??

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Bubbagates, I just mounted the Fuji to the firewall and it's 9/16 too short front to back of firewall. What did you use as spacers? Should I also use a fender washer on eadh bolt between the engine and firewall to spread out the bolt pressure over a larger area of the firewall?

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:)ricomari...

If I have to make spacers, I make them out of lite plywood. Just make them about the size of a nickle. Drill them first and then glue them to the firewall. Works very good and is very solid.

Thanks
Barry

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ricomari,

What Barry suggested works well. Yep, you do want fender washers to help spread the load out. I had some 1/2 aluminum spacers left over from aseembling an Aeroworks Yak so I used those and just moved the cowl back 1/8th inch. If I remember the manual correctly you have about 1/2 inch of play with the length from the firewall to the prop shaft. If it is a bit shorter than the suggested length just move the cowl back a bit

Aussie,

The cneter prop shaft is threaded for a 10/32 bolt which comes standard with most every aluminum spinner I have ever seen

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hey bubba, im just curious.. u have the Yak 50cc from Aero Works. i just bought the Extra 50cc. i was wondering if you could possible tell me ur setup.?? Im not sure if i should run a Power box sc 12 to power my servo's im going to be running 8611 all round
or just stick with the Lith ion and regulators ??

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Aussie,

I saw you thread and questions on that plane

Here ya go

AeroWorks 50cc Yak red version
3W 55i on the 3W aluminum "S" header and KS1060 tuned pipe
PT Models 23x8 prop or the Vess 23b depending on what I'm flying that day
3.5 inch Pete's CF spinner
JR8611's on all surfaces using SWB 1.5 inch control arms everywhere and H9 Pro-Links on everything. Stock pull-pull on the rudder
2 Fromeco 2400's through Badger switches going into a Smart-Fly Super Regulator that then goes into the Smart-Fly PowerXpander
1 Fromeco 2400 on the ignition through a Badger Switch, no regulator as 3W engines do not need it.
JR2000 receiver and a 10X for guidance
Stock control horns
Stock fuel and smoke tank
Sullivan Skywriter smoke pump using a Li-Poly 11.2 volt battery

Total weight with everything above installed is 19lbs 4 ounces

If I remove the spinner and wheel pants it's 18lbs 14 ounces

If I remove the smoke pump and battery along with the wheel pants and spinner then I'm down to 18lbs 9 ounces. I'm not including the prop weights because they both are exactly the same weight. The CF prop gives me great 3D. The Vess wood prop pulls like there is no tomorrow and nice slow downlines so it works well for IMAC sequences

Vertical is really good but not unlimited with everything on, remove everything like I mentioned and it now becomes unlimited. It does not go uphill in a hurry but I can get 3 deep snaps and it will keep on truckin' going straight up.

BTW... other than what I listed above, everything else is stock

Now, the reason I use the Power Xpander is for the filtering it does. Where I fly we are surrounded by cell towers, TV and microwave towers. We get RF on occasion due to all of this. It's not bad but I'm not about to risk planting a GS plane

We used to have IMAC meets. The last one was in 2001. I was not a member at the time but the way I understand it is that year is when most of the cell and microwave towers went up. The last meet saw 6 very expensive planes go down due to the RF so when they tried the next year no one came.

It actually has gotten quite a bit better, both TV stations are in the process on moving, one is already gone and things really improved. The real thing is it is such a nice field for the area I live in with tons of flying room.

A couple of us are currently looking into some ground that one of the guys knows about for our own field to fly our BIG toys at without having to worry about RF issues. So if that does come about then on 50cc to 100cc planes I would not worry about using any type of power box

Now that I said all of that, this Yak will be going away. My girls and their husbands got together and bought me a Comp-Arf 3.0m Extra 260 Kiwi scheme for Christmas and this is after I bought myself the Comp-Arf 2.3m Extra 330L for Christmas. I need to sell off a few things to be able to get the equipment I need to get the 3.0m flying.

I've had 3 people very interested in the Yak since I mentioned it to them. All three have either actually flown it or saw it fly. It's a typical Yak, they all fly the same. I actually had the 50cc Extra on order since the Toledo show. There was a mixup on AW's part when they came in so by the time it weas realized, the first run was sold out. I did not want to wait for the next run so I cancelled the order. AW did everything they could to make me happy, but by the time it was all said and done I just was not going to do it. In hindsight, considering what my kids have done, it's best anyway

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oh thanks you so much for that Bubba,
Im going to run the 8611 on every surface and im also going to use the Fromeco 4800 lithium for reciever and im going to use the Powerbox Champion 40/24, with sensor switch just for the servo's so they can get full power all the time....thats basically it hehehe and im going to run my da 50 in it inverted pitts style muffler with smoke im just contemplating right now as we speak if i should use the fromeco lith ion batts or go with 2 big NiMH batts they plug straight into the power box and regulate the servo's at a constant amp.
oh decisions decisions...
Are Lith ion batts the same as lipoly battery

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guys
a friend of mine just got this CAP
HW as follows:

servos - all hitech 5645/5695rudd/645TH
engine: MOKI2.10
FUT 9CAPTX\8chRX pcm

here is my Q?

does the moki will do the work? - F3a?
would it do 3D???

please advice?
thx

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GADI,

Yep, the Moki 2.10 will be plenty and then some. There was someone running the same engine near the beginning of this thread and the last I heard from him it was absolutely a great match

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hey is lipoly the same as lith ion batts>??

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Bubbagates, the 1/2 inch aluminum did the trick. Do you know if I'll have to cut the spinner if I use the PT CF or TBM wood propellers. I ordered the APC 20X8 prop that Tower Hobbies recommended. I don't want to use it, maybe except as a spare or above my shop door! Thanks

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I would think you'll have to cut it. The APC just fits it and both the props you mention have thicker hubs

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There are different chemistry but charging methods and precautions are the same. LiPos are better suited as E-power motor batteries, while LiIon cpme in a smaller pacage that works better as receiver power supplies. Make sure to purchase a charging unit that supports LiIon (i.e. Triton).

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The reason why i asked was because the power box that im going to use says for Lipoly and i wanted to use lithium and i wasnt sure if they were the same so u still havent answered my question is it safe to use lithium even know it says lipoly??

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in some manner yes in some not

LI-IO i think are lighter and less AMP - this why it use for small EP models
the LI-PO are heavier but more PWR and can stand more AMP at a single moment( the top AMP that the PWR source can give ya)

to be more sure and safe!!!!! put a Q in the EP forum:)

cheers
mate.

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its for a powerbox Champion 40/24 and im confused at which battery to use i goto different sites and they all say different things and im un sure