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RE: GP Cap 232
I have 400$ credit at horrizon, unfortunate that they don't have DA or ZDZ engines[8D] I would like one of those... I just can't seem to find anything else I would want to buy there right now other that a gas engine. I am out of the Nitro phase and into the bigger planes, they just fly better!! I don't want a chopper and I have plenty of off and on road rc toys. I looked into the new Goldsmith cap232 and like the bigger wing area. People are getting less that advertised weights as well. I just can't seem to want to spend 4bones for that cap or that extra that Hangar 9 makes.
I know that you have stated that the GP cap 232 flies well, I just think that I may go for the 1400+ squares that are available on the Lanier yak that they have out and put in the 58cc and do some drilling to lighten up the plane (like the one done in RC Universe magazine) and have one heck of a flying plane....... Don't get me wrong, I have looked at this plane since day it was press released. I also have looked into the GP Wagstaff Extra..... A real beauty!! Heck I even thought about getting the GP Ultimate or the Giant Pitts..... [:@] I just can't make up my mind! Too bad the credit wan't at Tower hobbies.... I buy everything through them, including all the servos and radio equipment... I would be in heaven... Horrizon carries YS engines but is way over priced....... Have no need..... I do like Evolution engines though. They have been designed to last for ever! They just don't put out the ponies that some of the other brands put out, unless you pipe them..... I guess these are the kinds of silly things that go through you head when you are not flying do to freezing weather in MN.... Have a great Holiday all! Justin:D Ps BME looks like they have a sick engine that will actually be out later than sooner the 55cc 2.5lbs bad to the bone!! |
RE: GP Cap 232
Don't give into the hype!
If you have a engine that gives you years of service, runs when it is time to go flying, and gives enough power to do so and a little extra, then that is a keeper for me!! I know that on days that one of my glow engines was having problems I was at the point of donating my left kidney for a motor that would run at that moment... Like most of us we have little time to fly because of our busy life styles, and when it is time to fly it should just work.... Power means crap w/o reliability.... Not saying DA isn't reliable but it sounds like the 45 evolution has given you good service and no trouble and flys light..... Who knows, you could sell that engine and get another of your choice and it may be a lemon dog!! Reliability is really what makes a engine a winner to Me![/D] I think there are tons of planes in this weight class!! (I guess I answered my own question about limitations of this engine) Has this engine been reliable? [quote]ORIGINAL: Barry Cazier :)kochj... I'm thinking the best engine is the DA50R or maybe a Taurus 52. The DA is the same price as the EVO. I wouldn't by the EVO again, at least not for the same price. If it was $100 cheaper, I'd buy it and fly it in the lighter planes. But, for the same money, I'm gonna buy the DA. Then you don't limit your options. Yes, it is a magnesium case. It's a beautiful engine and it runs good. Just not as good as the DA. Thanks Barry [/quote |
RE: GP Cap 232
:)kochj...
My EVO45 has been very reliable. It was my first gas engine. I had a little trouble getting it to run the first time and had to seek help with questions here on RCU and some good friends. They helped me set it up right and it now runs perfectly. Starts easy and I have never had a dead stick with this engine. Not one. It's a great combo on the GP CAP. It will rocket out of a hover. 19.5 lbs thrust vs. 13lbs 5 ozs weight. Nice. Thanks Barry |
RE: GP Cap 232
I have a Evolution 45, and a 58, also a ZDZ 40RV which I fly in a GP Patty Wagstaff Etxra 300. The ZDZ 40 is plenty engine for the Wagstaff although it weights close ro 18 pounds. The ZDZ I bought used with 1 gallon of fuel on it. It has taken well over three gallons to break-in and finally is getting to the point were it starts on the first few flips. Otherwise the power is awsome for such a small displacement, even with a Bisson Pitts waraparround muffler.
On the other hand the Evolutions have been flawless since day one. The 45GX ran like a clock since new, and I have not touched the needles at all. So far it have 2 gallons though it and it always starts on the first couple of flips,. I am really impressed with the power output from these engines, and the power to weight ratio is one of the best ones out there. I will bet anything the 45GX will give the DA50 a run for the money installed in similar airframes. The 58GX is basically a 60 size powerplant in a 50 size package. For serious IMAC competition or plain sport flying, even when using the more restrictive Pitts style mufflers these engines provide tons of power. I agree with kochj in that there is more hype than fact out there. Don't get me wrong, the DA is a fine and reliable engine, but it's not the only alternative nowdays. Heck these days even the least expensive chinese built engines like the BCMA, and SPE are a very reliable, powerful, and inexpensive powerplants. The fact is that the folks at DA provides excellent service, and customer support. RCShowcase is somewhat slow in servicing their engines, but Horizon provides very good support for the Evolution engines. By the way, if you are not aware, Evolution gas engines are manufactured by MVVS in the Czech Republic. MVVS is notably famous in Europe for manufacturing excellent glow and now gas engines of the highest quality. There are imported in Canada by [link=http://www.mvvs-canada.com/products.php?cat=2]OTN RC Imports[/link] and they offer service, parts and supoort, in case you are not satisfied with Horizon Hobbies support. I would not hesitatate in purchasing another Evolution engine. And in fact I am thinking on purchasing a 26cc Evolution after seeing the reviews on the 26cc Evolution (see [link=http://www.somenzini.com/html/aircraft/yak73report.html]QQ Report[/link]) powering the new Somenzini 73" Yak. |
RE: GP Cap 232
I had one of these Caps this past year (notice I said "had"), this is one great flying plane ! It does not have any bad habits of the old Caps that were out there and when it came to landing it this one was almost like a trainer. Mine was lost due to a freak thing happening, just wondering if anyone else has experienced this. Was flying the week before Thanksgiving on my first flight of the day and was doing one last pass before landing and heard a weird noise only to discover that the prop was broken to pieces and part of the stab had a chunk missing and had been knocked loose ! Needless to say they don't fly like this, the plane "pancaked" in breaking the fuse, wing and tail section. I had a Brison 3.2 engine in the plane and it was a great combo, after inspection of everything what was determined was something I have never seen happen before, the head on the hardened hex bolt that holds the spinner on had sheared off the bolt itself and allowed the spinner to come off, breaking the prop and doing extensive damage in other areas of the plane resulting in a total loss of the airframe! So my point to the whole matter is please check the bolt that holds the spinner cone in place, if any signs of wear REPLACE IT !! Just before this thing hit the ground, I was thinking one thing what can I put this Brison in ? I came out with no damage to the engine and the electronics. God Bless and Merry Christmas
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RE: GP Cap 232
Gregman,
Thanks for the heads-up. I have seen this happen before at least twice. A friend of mine was flying his Wild Hare Edge and the spinner came loose. The vibrations broke the firewall and he almost lost the whole thing during the off field emergency landing. The other incident was on a 40% Ultimate that lost the entire prop while hovering on the deck, lucky there was minimal damage to the airframe. One must verify the propeller thigthness, and integrity after every flying session. On any large gas engine with prop hub bolts, the bolts should be re-thightened after the first three or four flights. And you must make sure the spinner slots are large enought to allow the blades out without touching at any point. |
RE: GP Cap 232
Just did a dry AUW on the CAP and it's 13lbs 10ounces. 6.1802 kilos. Hope that helps out.
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RE: GP Cap 232
ORIGINAL: I am really impressed with the power output from these engines, and the power to weight ratio is one of the best ones out there. I will bet anything the 45GX will give the DA50 a run for the money installed in similar airframes. |
RE: GP Cap 232
Well, DA 50 is $5.oo cheaper than Evolution 45GX, and puts out more thrust then Evolution. On the other hand E 58GX puts out stanning 8.5Bhp(I thought it is a missprint when I first read specs). What bags my mind that 45GX and 58GX cost the same $600.00. If 45 were somthing like $495.00 that would probably put DA out of biz, but this is never going to happen. I do agree it doesn't make sense that the 45 and the 58 being the same price, it comes down to what you prefer as far as size and power to weigth ratio. |
RE: GP Cap 232
Airtech,
Thanks for the info.... By the way, I have had a evelution 26gt and with a tuned pipe/header combo. It is very powerful for it's size and with the right size plane to match that engine, it would be lots of fun. Interesting enough, I was going to put it in a QQ 73 yak, but I already have a plane that size and thought it would be a waste to have 2-planes almost the same size. I have the tuned pipe/header and round alum mounting plate for sale if you are interested..... It was a very nice engine and started very easy. I did end up with a ignition problem that went in for service. I was able to get full credit Hence the 400$ credit a horizon after some lengthy talks with the service mgr. I just ended up with a bad ignition..... Not the engines fault. If I didn't have a plane the same size as the qq yak 73, I wouldn't hesitate placing that engine in the qq yak or the new Extreme flight yak that has come out...... Great combo, and would give hours of hastle free flights..... May not give extreme pull out of hovers but if you put a pipe on it (QQ did not have one on his plane) it would be a 2-3 hundred aRPm more giving about 14lbs of thrust (I think) sure seemed like more when I ran it.. ORIGINAL: AirTech I have a Evolution 45, and a 58, also a ZDZ 40RV which I fly in a GP Patty Wagstaff Etxra 300. The ZDZ 40 is plenty engine for the Wagstaff although it weights close ro 18 pounds. The ZDZ I bought used with 1 gallon of fuel on it. It has taken well over three gallons to break-in and finally is getting to the point were it starts on the first few flips. Otherwise the power is awsome for such a small displacement, even with a Bisson Pitts waraparround muffler. On the other hand the Evolutions have been flawless since day one. The 45GX ran like a clock since new, and I have not touched the needles at all. So far it have 2 gallons though it and it always starts on the first couple of flips,. I am really impressed with the power output from these engines, and the power to weight ratio is one of the best ones out there. I will bet anything the 45GX will give the DA50 a run for the money installed in similar airframes. The 58GX is basically a 60 size powerplant in a 50 size package. For serious IMAC competition or plain sport flying, even when using the more restrictive Pitts style mufflers these engines provide tons of power. I agree with kochj in that there is more hype than fact out there. Don't get me wrong, the DA is a fine and reliable engine, but it's not the only alternative nowdays. Heck these days even the least expensive chinese built engines like the BCMA, and SPE are a very reliable, powerful, and inexpensive powerplants. The fact is that the folks at DA provides excellent service, and customer support. RCShowcase is somewhat slow in servicing their engines, but Horizon provides very good support for the Evolution engines. By the way, if you are not aware, Evolution gas engines are manufactured by MVVS in the Czech Republic. MVVS is notably famous in Europe for manufacturing excellent glow and now gas engines of the highest quality. There are imported in Canada by [link=http://www.mvvs-canada.com/products.php?cat=2]OTN RC Imports[/link] and they offer service, parts and supoort, in case you are not satisfied with Horizon Hobbies support. I would not hesitatate in purchasing another Evolution engine. And in fact I am thinking on purchasing a 26cc Evolution after seeing the reviews on the 26cc Evolution (see [link=http://www.somenzini.com/html/aircraft/yak73report.html]QQ Report[/link]) powering the new Somenzini 73!QUOT! Yak. |
RE: GP Cap 232
Hey kochj,
How much for that tuned pipe/header and round alum mounting plate? |
RE: GP Cap 232
ORIGINAL: AirTech Hey kochj, How much for that tuned pipe/header and round alum mounting plate? |
RE: GP Cap 232
hey guys just wanted to give u an up date on my cap, well i had a few flight the other day and when i came down took the wing off i had noticed that where the fuel tank goes in and u put the ellastic bands on, the elastic bands actually broke the wood and the fuel tank came loose now i have never seen this before. and im beginning to find more and more things comming apart on this plane, has anyone had any probs with glue joints and so fourth.??
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RE: GP Cap 232
Aussie,
I had the same problem with one tab on the tank, but even as hard as I stress mine, the only other problem I found and this was last night was the plywood plate on the bottom between the wing saddle and firewall had come loose on one side. I removed the covering, mixed up some 30 minute epoxy and milled fiberglass and reinstalled it. I checked it this morning and it was nice and solid. All i have to do is put a new piece of covering on the area and I'll do that tonight |
RE: GP Cap 232
its kinda a dissapointment though because of a beautiful plane, hasnt been backed up with good quality glue:(
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RE: GP Cap 232
hey guys i seem to be having some problems running this motor im not a begginer and i know how to tune a motor but this one has got me totally baffled let me tell you my setup...
Im running this motor on a gp cap 232 27% and its a new motor and im also running a bisson pitts muffler the fuel iam using is 15%nitro and 15%synthetic and 5% castor. The motor is on its side,, ok now here is my problem, i tune the motor in at less than half a tank and make sure its all good, transition good and not lean, a nice smoke trail, now i fill it up and fly, first 3-4 mins is good then as the tank gets lower the motor goes slower then after a few more mintues it eventually stops now its seams to me that as the tank gets lower its leans out to the point it stops But there is still smoke comming out telling me its rich. and to me it had the smell of too lean but there is still the smoke comming out of the exhaust... im running a 3 line pick up, i dont have a problem with the idle or anything i just cant get it to run well in the air... so when i gets it back to the pits i richen the high needle some more and it still seams the same....i totally lost... all ur help would be appreciated steve |
RE: GP Cap 232
Aussie,
This is a sign for the OS160 that you are not using 1/8 inch line. You need to use a large clunk and 1/8th inch line all the way to the carb. That includes replacing the little line between the needle and carb. The standard glow line does not supply enough fuel. I've done this on at least 6 160's and it works great |
RE: GP Cap 232
If you are using a standard Bisson Pitts style muffler you don't have enough back-pressure for that engine. The openings are too large. They should never be larger then the stock opening.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_26...11/key_/tm.htm |
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Lou,
I tried that as well on 2 different ones and yes it does give you the pressure but it also chokes the engine. Once I started using 1/8th inch line and reopened the tube then it ran like it should. If you have seen the video of whaturi flying his Cap on an OS160, that is one of the engines I sold him, using a brisson muffler with both tubes open and 1/8th inch line and it's a real powerhouse. The OS 160 does not really need pressure to run on this plane. The little bit you do get from the Brisson and the is more than enough on the 1/8th inch line Check over in the OS support forums. They tell you not to crimp the tube and run the larger line.... |
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How is the fit on the carb, fuel fittings etc, once you put on the bigger 1/8 inch lines? Is it sloppy, whats the the best way to secure the bigger lines? wire ties?............As for the large clunk.....I didnt know they came in different sizes, can you point us in the right direction.
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RE: GP Cap 232
Yep, use small wire ties to hold everything and here is a link to the clunk I'm talking about. I would think most LHS's carry them...
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXAHF0&P=7 |
RE: GP Cap 232
Thanks Bubba
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RE: GP Cap 232
This was a tip I found on the RCU Reviews by their expert. I checked with the OS support forum and they confirmed it. We used this on both a 120 and a 160 and got them both to run great. With both tubes open neither would allow the mixture to set correctly. I know some people have been able to correct this problem without closing off one tube but the majority of folks I've talked with on this have found this to be the only way to correct the problem. I'm not sure why but I know it worked for us. May have something to do with altitude (we're at sea level) or just a slight difference in the engines but OS states that you should never replace the muffler with one that has a larger opening then the stock muffler. Slimline corrects this by putting baffles in their mufflers. He may have a different problem altogether, I'm just letting him know that this could be the problem in case all else fails. BTW I have seen Whaturi's video, very impressive. I run a APC 18x6W on mine and get 9000 rpm and 18 lbs of static thrust on the ground.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/a...article_id=262 |
RE: GP Cap 232
Lou55,
I just re-read my post and it did sound like I was picking at you. I can assure you that was not the case We are at 472 feet where I fly at and in all cases up to this point I tried the tube crimp, pump thing and larger line. In all cases the larger line won out for me using the Brisson muffler. I've even heard of guys stuffing a bit of steel wool into the muffler to help it increase back pressure and I can see how that would work but I personally have never tried it. I thought Aussie was installing a DA50, I was a bit surprised when he asked his last question so it kinda through me off guard a bit. BTW, the RCU expert (Marc Vigod, ie RCAdmin) that did that review created a post no long after that saying he opened the tube and ran bigger line because he could not quite get the power out of it he was expecting and ran into mid range issues. This was on the review of the GP Gene Soucy Extra |
RE: GP Cap 232
I have to tell you that I thought he was putting in a DA 50 as well as he asked you for all of the instqall data on that engine before Christmas. I thought maybe he had two CAPs.
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