hugger-4641

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Laugh if you want, but it could carry enough explosive to take out a large house. As I mentioned before, our military already has a craft that weighs less than one lb and carries an explosive charge. It is designed to be flown into the target it is intended to destroy.
These guys used a small foamy, but if someone wanted to take out a building, they could pack enough explosive into a 1/4 scale cub to take out a city block.

littlecrankshaf

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Exactly!

What I don't understand;

is why we have to be our own worst enemies... with all the what-if talk that effectively frames hobbyists and modelers as potential terrorists or citing how something we do might give terrorists certain ideas...how does that help??? Bottom line, terrorists have thought of more things than some little foamy delivering an explosive charge. Hobbyist are never terrorists...we need to always maintain that distinction very clearly.

Or how we say "we need to limit ourselves or the government will"...either way we are limited...

Look, no matter what, even intelligent people will do stupid things...they need to pay appropriately for their mistakes...not all the rest of us...we need to get back to real personal responsibility as a deterrent not just another warehouse full of more restrictive laws.

tinner1

LCS,
Now you've gone and done it! We don't always see eye to eye, but AGAIN you have made me agree with you 100%.

Some of my next comments aren't aimed at you LCS but rather other posts. The FACT that the supporters of this "insane" stunt can't see that the terrorists don't need us giving them "more" ways to attack us is mind blowing!! We ARE NOT "pansies" as some war monger posts would like to believe, but I'll tell you one thing for sure...If a person or group of people are out to get me or my country, I'll be damned if I'll give them more ways to do it!! While doing construction at Cleveland Hopkins Airport years ago I saw a lot of ways to bypass security, but I won't post them on the internet! I went to the proper people and let them know where the threat was. And as to how much could a "foamy" carry, I assure you it is more than a few cherry bombs. Ask the relatives of the people killed by small explosions that terrorists set off how much was needed to kill their relatives...Before 9-11 we never saw an airliner loaded with people used as a weapon, but look at the knee jerk reaction it has caused to us all. No one making the laws thinks rationally. They ALL over react. I just hope they never react to this kind of stupid action. The restrictions will all but wipe out our hobby activities, and all you supporters of those activities will surely complain, and wonder why did it happen...

804

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There are other possible deadly payloads.

tinner1

If one can carry enough of ANYTHING to kill just ONE person, it is too much!!! SIMPLE answer don't you think?!

The Toolman

You bet, all of the B.S. in this thread............

lopflyers

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That is exactly why the FAA wants to restrict us to 400 ft altitute and 100mph speed.
because there are some of us in the modeling hobby without any common sence.
I will not even beggin to think about flying over the heads of people or buildings. If one of my planes just scratched the paint of a parked car the owner will sue me. Let alone if it hurts a child playing in the street. And not only the legal responsibility, but I will feel awful. But here some of us see a thrill in this video,
Well we get what we deserve as a group. DONOTCRYAFTERWARDS

warningshot

So why is it allowed on the AMA site?

hook57

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lackeyma

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Agree, incredibly stupid, especially these days.

Arbo

Potentially. But probably not likely.

guapoman2000

Hi Guys!

I happen to do a quick Google search and found this![:@]

http://fpvpilot.com/safe.aspx

Fast foward to:

4) Location
Another important point, and possibly an area of discussion. Where is it safe to fly FPV? Most people would agree that flying over largely populated areas, busy highways, and other areas of high population density are not safe areas to fly. And this again, goes for R/C flying in general, not just FPV. This is another case where one should make a logical and sound decision as to whether or not safe flying is possible from their location.

RECOMMENDATIONS
1. Aircraft maximum weight and speed limited to FAA guidelines.
2. The use of spotters is recommended during initial flight training or at congested flying fields.
3. GPS based programmable redundant failsafe systems are encouraged and if used for return to home purpose should be programmed to bring the aircraft back to a safe location away from people and property. If a return-to-home feature is not used, it is advisable to
4. Have on-board capability (fail safe) of landing the aircraft if pilot control is interrupted.
5. Any record attempts that exceed these guidelines require the prior approval of all official agencies involved that would include but are not limited to FAA and FAI.

guapoman2000

Hi there again

In the FAQ section of this Web Site for FPV flying:

http://fpvpilot.com/FAQs.aspx
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Q. Do I need too or should I join the AMA?

A. The AMA is a insurance carrier and is not a ruling body of R/C aircraft. Their rules are for the AMA insured and are not laws but rules at AMA fields and events. If you fly or intend to fly at a local/national field or event then an AMA lic. may be required.


================================================== ===========================================

Woody218

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The guys that did that are incredibly stupid! I cannot believe some of you condone what they did. They should have their asses kicked all the way back to Europe.

guapoman2000

I am not siding with anyone here and you are free to express your opinion like everyone else but, what I don't understand is the closing CREDITS of the Video.

It says that the NYPD, TSA and Park Rangers had a positive attitude? Does this mean that they pre-coordinated this Flight over NYC with the correct authorities?

If so, who exactly?

fritzdecat

The incredible thing is the Austrian guy did this because a New Yorker on a forum thread dared him to come to NYC and try his flying.

DeferredDefect

Amazing video!

ovationdave

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Just wondering, everyone is making a big deal about the 400ft. thing, I never even realized its already in the AMA by-laws @ http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/105.PDF:

2. Model aircraft pilots will:
(a) Yield the right of way to all man carrying aircraft.
(b) See and avoid all aircraft and a spotter must be used when appropriate. (AMA Document #540-D-See and Avoid Guidance.)
(c) Not fly higher than approximately 400 feet above ground level within three (3) miles of an airport, without notifying the airport operator.

So is the difference here that we are talking about an FAA regulation as opposed to an AMA limitation? It seems that some of the folks (not pointing fingers, I just used the post from LOP above to ask the question) that some existing AMA members are regarding this as a new limitation. This isn't really a new requirement is it?

Dave

804

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Yeah, no kiddin'.
Automobiles crashes kill about 40,000 Americans a year.
911 killed about 3000 in a few hours.

Which gets more press?
Which is going to cause the most negative publicity about our hobby?

The Toolman

People on here that keep harping about it over an over

Valve floater

You can`t predict when a servo or battery will go out. Flying over the bridge the plane could malfunction and go into a spiral dive and strike a car. I would not be stupid enough to fly that close knowing what could happen.Hope this does not open the door to every guy with a camera on their plane.The way i see it, this hobby is made to enjoy between you and the plane at an AMA field. The joy of flight. NOT flying over people`s heads!

The Toolman

Does this mean you are against any field that isn't an official ama field?

chris923

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AMEN!!

fritzdecat

Ever see the damage from a bird strike?

Sport_Pilot

Looks like he had permission from the Park Rangers.  He is likely not an AMA member, so I don't see where he has broken any rules.  I doubt a small electric foamy could damage the statue and not do much harm to people.  So what is the beef?