Another Drone Pilot does it Again
10-27-2015, 05:42 PM
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I have been monitoring the other comments, just wanted to voice a thought. I'm sure that they will narrow it down to the MR's but until I see it in writing I'm going to fret about it, just my nature. It would be nice if they would require all purchaser's of MR's to provide proof of memebership in AMA or to join at the purchase of their MR and require their AMA number to be on the model, to me that makes sense so I doubt if that will be the outcome, what do I know anyway?
10-27-2015, 06:41 PM
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Just a thought. By FAA definition a Drone is any unmanned aerial system that is remotely controlled, and they are directed to find a way to register these Drones by December and the proposed cutoff weight is 2 lbs. So I have a question. Since the FAA's definition does not distinguish between fixed or rotary or multi- rotor winged aircraft will that require everyone to register their models that weigh in excess of 2 lbs. regardless of wing configuration, do I have this right or is something going on here I don't see?
10-27-2015, 06:45 PM
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Life's to short to fret. I'm not really for anyone having to prove they belong to the AMA to buy anything, I suspect there might be just as many fliers out there not part of the AMA. I could hear the complaints now from the people who already can't find anything positive to say about the AMA...lookit this blatant money grab, etc etc etc. I do think it's a great idea for them to have their AMA number on the craft though, if they do belong. It's odd what we require people to do in order to own or even purchase some things. The town over from me requires a scanned ID to purchase BB's....yes...tiny little BBs. But I can go in and buy any type of large knife, or even a "drone" without anyone batting an eye.
10-27-2015, 07:39 PM
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In my view, the FAA is pursuing the Drone's=multi rotor sUAV's , that have been constantly in the news regarding near misses with full scale aircraft Airliners and Police copters, and FireFighting Tankers. Creating huge problems in every area, airports cities, fields, mountains,city parks, you name it. Oh don't forget the White House, very very important stuff there.
Not once was a fixed wing aircraft in the RC catagory ever mentioned , because it did not happen with fixed wing RC aircraft, just the new drones that have been on the market the last year or so.
AGAIN, it is not the DRONES the FAA is trying to regulate, but the OWNERS of them, and the only possible way is to have the new buyers register the thing with serial # etc with the seller of the Drone, the seller sends the info to the FAA so they can track it to that person if something ever happens. Will that happen? who know's.
The fools that have created this mess in the beginning by violating every possible rule of Flight Safety and doing it repeatedly in almost every city in the U.S.A. Lets not forget the Privacy Issues of Trespassing, here is the other side of this alligator with Jaws wide open waiting. It never ends with these clowns.!!!
I, in my opinion do not think the FAA will ever try to regulate or have people register their Giant Scale Yak's or EXTRA's. I sure hope not, I have too many of em!!!!!!!!!
10-27-2015, 07:45 PM
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If the FAA limits registration to multi-copters they are ignoring the problem with fixed wing FPV flying. A wing can fly quickly, longer, and more silently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
10-27-2015, 07:59 PM
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If the FAA limits registration to multi-copters they are ignoring the problem with fixed wing FPV flying. A wing can fly quickly, longer, and more silently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
But here again those guys have to get things right and play by the rules, know what I mean? I think they are mainly concerned with Drones, multi rotor aircraft
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10-27-2015, 08:27 PM
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When the public and ourselves hear the word Drone we think Multi Rotor, when the media displays video of a Drone it is always a Multi Rotor so the natural assumption is that Drone is a Multi Rotor. The FAA does not see it that way, Drones are remotely controlled aircraft that are unmanned, simple with no distinction to wing configuration. I would hope that the registration requirement apply to only MR's but at this time I don't see it and that gives me concern.
10-27-2015, 08:34 PM
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Sir, I do not like registering my gun with my States DOJ, nor do I much care for the NRA but it is the lesser of the two evils and that is my point with registering with the FAA or the AMA. If I had my druthers nothing would be registered but that is not the real world. Whatever gets the job done with the least amount of infringement on the citizenry I am in favor of.
10-27-2015, 08:45 PM
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I ALREADY SAID THIS IN ONE OF THESE THREADS, BUT
most likely, it will not be pilots or aircraft that get registered, it will be the serial numbered flight control unit. that covers any type of aircraft use: fixed, heli, multi.
if it enables artificial stabilization, navigation and beyond LOS capability, it will be registered.
most likely, it will not be pilots or aircraft that get registered, it will be the serial numbered flight control unit. that covers any type of aircraft use: fixed, heli, multi.
if it enables artificial stabilization, navigation and beyond LOS capability, it will be registered.
10-27-2015, 08:46 PM
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When the public and ourselves hear the word Drone we think Multi Rotor, when the media displays video of a Drone it is always a Multi Rotor so the natural assumption is that Drone is a Multi Rotor. The FAA does not see it that way, Drones are remotely controlled aircraft that are unmanned, simple with no distinction to wing configuration. I would hope that the registration requirement apply to only MR's but at this time I don't see it and that gives me concern.
Duncman: I feel exactly the same way you do. My gut feeling is they , meaning the FAA will define EXACTLY WHAT TYPE of aircraft they are talking about, but also give spec's of these aircraft. Right now we do not know anything until the Rule is out. I do not think they are concerned about Traditional RC Aircraft, for the last 50 years or so. This hobby is a Big Money dollar business , weekly, but will conduct their business of Personnel Safety of Aircraft in the Flying Public, their First concern, I agree with that, and they should! That is their JOB!
I do not think they will want every modeler to register their aircraft.......Can you just Imagine the confusion!!!!!!!!!! Serial numbers for every aircraft, NO WAY HOSE. Ain't gonna happen, relax.
10-27-2015, 08:51 PM
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I ALREADY SAID THIS IN ONE OF THESE THREADS, BUT
most likely, it will not be pilots or aircraft that get registered, it will be the serial numbered flight control unit. that covers any type of aircraft use: fixed, heli, multi.
if it enables artificial stabilization, navigation and beyond LOS capability, it will be registered.
most likely, it will not be pilots or aircraft that get registered, it will be the serial numbered flight control unit. that covers any type of aircraft use: fixed, heli, multi.
if it enables artificial stabilization, navigation and beyond LOS capability, it will be registered.
Mongo: Where and what info do you have on this ? I would like to see it in print.
10-28-2015, 03:28 AM
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If the FAA limits registration to multi-copters they are ignoring the problem with fixed wing FPV flying. A wing can fly quickly, longer, and more silently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9cSxEqKQ78
Then there's the xcraft which crosses the barrier.
http://xcraft.io/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=295_1419231994
He didn't get the warm reception from the comments that I think he expected.
10-28-2015, 05:16 AM
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Just had to share this video..
This guy is amazing - I've seen him fly in person and he can hold a casual conversation with you while flying like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsynlKC-vn4
This guy is amazing - I've seen him fly in person and he can hold a casual conversation with you while flying like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsynlKC-vn4
10-28-2015, 05:20 AM
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Some of those pilots are amazing. I watch some of the heli guys at the field and I'm amazed at what they do but the helis are usually pretty close in, and of course are bigger and usually have lots of colors. These smaller quads are so quick, and sure get "small" real fast as they fly away.
10-28-2015, 05:23 AM
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Some of those pilots are amazing. I watch some of the heli guys at the field and I'm amazed at what they do but the helis are usually pretty close in, and of course are bigger and usually have lots of colors. These smaller quads are so quick, and sure get "small" real fast as they fly away.
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10-28-2015, 05:31 AM
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Yup...fixed wing was doing this far earlier than MRs.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=295_1419231994
He didn't get the warm reception from the comments that I think he expected.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=295_1419231994
He didn't get the warm reception from the comments that I think he expected.
10-28-2015, 05:34 AM
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FPV is not the problem fly with in the bounds of your R/C boundaries we always have 1200' left and right and no more than that out front and limit your altitude No problem with Quads or fixed wing FPV. We all realize it's the guys fling where they are not supposed to be, that is the problem. But then I'm preaching to the Choir, I think.
10-28-2015, 05:37 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ8TWYUedA
10-28-2015, 05:39 AM
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10-28-2015, 05:53 AM
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Those are cool to watch, some nice fields too. This one was over on the side...talk about blurring the lines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ8TWYUedA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJ8TWYUedA
Speaking of Foreign Registration What about the Snow Birds from the great white North (Canada). What's the DOT/FAA gona do about them?
10-28-2015, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TheEdge 
The 3D Heli guys are also flying the quads.
~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbavHsTsXPQ
Different Strokes. At least that thing is less likely to come apart from the "G" loads ...
can't understand how helios stay together. really. But then they are fun to watch and helies too when the Impact the ground an fly into a billion pieces. Just SPC-TAC-U-LAR to say the least..
10-28-2015, 06:42 AM
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In my view, the FAA is pursuing the Drone's=multi rotor sUAV's , that have been constantly in the news regarding near misses with full scale aircraft Airliners and Police copters, and FireFighting Tankers. Creating huge problems in every area, airports cities, fields, mountains,city parks, you name it. Oh don't forget the White House, very very important stuff there.
Not once was a fixed wing aircraft in the RC catagory ever mentioned , because it did not happen with fixed wing RC aircraft, just the new drones that have been on the market the last year or so.
AGAIN, it is not the DRONES the FAA is trying to regulate, but the OWNERS of them, and the only possible way is to have the new buyers register the thing with serial # etc with the seller of the Drone, the seller sends the info to the FAA so they can track it to that person if something ever happens. Will that happen? who know's.
The fools that have created this mess in the beginning by violating every possible rule of Flight Safety and doing it repeatedly in almost every city in the U.S.A. Lets not forget the Privacy Issues of Trespassing, here is the other side of this alligator with Jaws wide open waiting. It never ends with these clowns.!!!
I, in my opinion do not think the FAA will ever try to regulate or have people register their Giant Scale Yak's or EXTRA's. I sure hope not, I have too many of em!!!!!!!!!
Not once was a fixed wing aircraft in the RC catagory ever mentioned , because it did not happen with fixed wing RC aircraft, just the new drones that have been on the market the last year or so.
AGAIN, it is not the DRONES the FAA is trying to regulate, but the OWNERS of them, and the only possible way is to have the new buyers register the thing with serial # etc with the seller of the Drone, the seller sends the info to the FAA so they can track it to that person if something ever happens. Will that happen? who know's.
The fools that have created this mess in the beginning by violating every possible rule of Flight Safety and doing it repeatedly in almost every city in the U.S.A. Lets not forget the Privacy Issues of Trespassing, here is the other side of this alligator with Jaws wide open waiting. It never ends with these clowns.!!!
I, in my opinion do not think the FAA will ever try to regulate or have people register their Giant Scale Yak's or EXTRA's. I sure hope not, I have too many of em!!!!!!!!!
10-28-2015, 06:46 AM
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If they can prove they belong to the AMA that would be some assurance's they have had exposure to an established safety program. Once again that is no guarantee of a safe operator but neither is a driver's test a guarantee of a safe driver, and if they are forced to join then they would be made aware of a safety program. As for those that don't wish to see AMA get any more money, I would rather see it go there than to another Government Agency. An AMA membership and number issuance would also be a reasonably seamless requirement to put in place, no more than a stroke of the pen and it would not impact the rest of us traditional modelers. I know I'm thinking wishfully, we have a Government Agency involved and whatever they decide we can all rest assured that it will be illogical, make no sense and be a revenue generating act for that Agency and do absolutely nothing towards mitigating the problem while burdening the law abiding citizen with overly restrictive regulations, maybe forcing us to scan our new Sig Kadet purchase right along with our BB's or worse.