time to stop the dromes..........NOW
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as we read each day the problems of dromes is hurting us all......been in the hobby for over 40 yrs and would like to see 50 yrs of enjoyment.......but its got to stop now,people who sell these things and the people who use them.........or better yet who misuse them it needs to stop today....we will all be hurt over a few who dont care and only look at what they want to do.....the clubs should out law these things and the hobby shops who sell them should stop......what is going to happen is someone is gooding kill someone and the FAA will ground all of us.i say we stop it befor it gets to that point........big hobby supplyers should wait up and understand that is going on...lets put a stop to this today befor its to late..............
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I have been silently watching threads similar to this one but have to chime in after looking at the spreadsheet. What bothers me the most are the number of incidents listed at or above 2000 ft. I have pretty good eyesite for a 50 plus year old man but at that distance tracking direction seems a bit difficult. And I do think a lot of these occurances are people who either don't know the rules or don't think they have to follow them. Just my 2 cents worth
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I have been silently watching threads similar to this one but have to chime in after looking at the spreadsheet. What bothers me the most are the number of incidents listed at or above 2000 ft. I have pretty good eyesite for a 50 plus year old man but at that distance tracking direction seems a bit difficult. And I do think a lot of these occurances are people who either don't know the rules or don't think they have to follow them. Just my 2 cents worth
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for what it is worth, the most current firmware for one autopilot/stabilization unit such as used in multirotors already has "no fly zone" coordinates to limit altitude and proximity to known airport facilities.
you should hear the complaints from the users about this. i am expecting to see other makers of the electronics units follow suite.
they know how damaging the "near miss" reports can be to their business model.
you should hear the complaints from the users about this. i am expecting to see other makers of the electronics units follow suite.
they know how damaging the "near miss" reports can be to their business model.
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for what it is worth, the most current firmware for one autopilot/stabilization unit such as used in multirotors already has "no fly zone" coordinates to limit altitude and proximity to known airport facilities.
you should hear the complaints from the users about this. i am expecting to see other makers of the electronics units follow suite.
they know how damaging the "near miss" reports can be to their business model.
you should hear the complaints from the users about this. i am expecting to see other makers of the electronics units follow suite.
they know how damaging the "near miss" reports can be to their business model.
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'DJI did $130 million last year... and are expected to triple those sales next year.' That's from the Wall Street Journal this morning. The statement was part of an article outlining the 'near misses' with private and commercial aircraft recently. ("Just because we're paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get us.")
I think the quads are boring myself. Sort of like those home videos I have that no one watches after the first time they view them. Like many of you, I've been through a lot of fads in the hobby over the last 40 years or so. This may not be a fad in the classic sense of the term. I don't think the toy quads will have a lasting audience, but the more sophisticated ones may. I hope so. Whatever it is, if it flies, I like it.
I think the quads are boring myself. Sort of like those home videos I have that no one watches after the first time they view them. Like many of you, I've been through a lot of fads in the hobby over the last 40 years or so. This may not be a fad in the classic sense of the term. I don't think the toy quads will have a lasting audience, but the more sophisticated ones may. I hope so. Whatever it is, if it flies, I like it.
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The uncomfortable fact is that we AMA members are a minority of rc flyers. By this year end there will be likely be more quadcopter flyers then plane/heli flyers. The AMA understands this and has gone "all in", The teenager or twenty something that grew up on video games is going to fly new technology, and has little interest in great grandpa's warbirds.
If you fly the circle at an AMA field YOU HAVE Sec 336 on your side and little to worry about.
If you fly, gliders, jets or pattern aerobatics you have something to worry about, a potential 400' cap.
If you fly FPV outside the FAA limits you will need a spotter (to watch out for LEO).
The hobby will survive......................
If you fly the circle at an AMA field YOU HAVE Sec 336 on your side and little to worry about.
If you fly, gliders, jets or pattern aerobatics you have something to worry about, a potential 400' cap.
If you fly FPV outside the FAA limits you will need a spotter (to watch out for LEO).
The hobby will survive......................
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'DJI did $130 million last year... and are expected to triple those sales next year.' That's from the Wall Street Journal this morning. The statement was part of an article outlining the 'near misses' with private and commercial aircraft recently. ("Just because we're paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not out to get us.")
I think the quads are boring myself. Sort of like those home videos I have that no one watches after the first time they view them. Like many of you, I've been through a lot of fads in the hobby over the last 40 years or so. This may not be a fad in the classic sense of the term. I don't think the toy quads will have a lasting audience, but the more sophisticated ones may. I hope so. Whatever it is, if it flies, I like it.
I think the quads are boring myself. Sort of like those home videos I have that no one watches after the first time they view them. Like many of you, I've been through a lot of fads in the hobby over the last 40 years or so. This may not be a fad in the classic sense of the term. I don't think the toy quads will have a lasting audience, but the more sophisticated ones may. I hope so. Whatever it is, if it flies, I like it.
I also thought quads would be boring and was happy flying my planes and helis. I have to admit, I have the bug now after flying an aerobatic Armattan quad which can do amazing things in the hands of a good pilot. (This is not my video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMEVVLG3EZ4
The larger sedate quads I have built to carry cameras are boring to just fly, but the satisfaction comes from experimenting and tweaking them to fly smoothly, efficiently and produce perfect vibration free video, and there is something cool about a machine that knows how to look after itself. I could fly my larger quads out of sight, turn off the TX and they will fly back to the take off position, land and shut down automatically.
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As any RC model, fixed wing sport plane, fixed wing, war bird, single rotor heli, glider, quad copter CAN BE EQUIPPED WITH FPV your suggestion would set a altitude cap for all models. A 400' cap would eliminate soaring, aerobatic pattern and turbine jets..
Punish the unsafe flyers not those that fly by AMA (CBO) guidelines.
Punish the unsafe flyers not those that fly by AMA (CBO) guidelines.
Many of the manuals that are included with model aircraft I have purchased recently contain information about the AMA, and the safety code. I don't think this notice would deter pilots who are making the six o'clock news, but it would give the feds some leverage over pilots who fly recklessly. If the pilot contests enforcement action, it will be more difficult for the pilot to plead ignorance if the safety code was mentioned in the manual.
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As any RC model, fixed wing sport plane, fixed wing, war bird, single rotor heli, glider, quad copter CAN BE EQUIPPED WITH FPV your suggestion would set a altitude cap for all models. A 400' cap would eliminate soaring, aerobatic pattern and turbine jets..
Punish the unsafe flyers not those that fly by AMA (CBO) guidelines.
Punish the unsafe flyers not those that fly by AMA (CBO) guidelines.
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As usual, the few that don't think rules apply to them ruin it for the many. People BETTER take this drone problem seriously. And by the way if it isn't obvious by the way the government is, they can do what they want when they want. So some people need to wake up to reality.
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WOW.... you guys bash someone when he has a concern about how STUPID people are getting with these things!!!! You know,,,your not to worried about it now,,, but it WILL happen,,,you WILL NOT be able to fly where ever you want soon.... RC Airports WILL be shut down if they are withing 5 miles of an airport...just for this reason ALONE... you know,,,you guys that bash all the time,,might want to grow a brain!! This place as well as other forums are getting loaded with people who think that just because its a hobby, that NOBODY and f*@k with us....your wrong... Look at gun rights!!! Look at your rights period...your being told what type of insurance you can have!! you told how fast to drive....ALL OF IT IS REGULATIONS!!!! the more you piss off the officials of the US,,,, the more there gonna restrict us.... its simple really,,, fly safe,,,and keep that kind of problem out of our hobby.. but that will never happen,,,because you THINK you can just fly anywhere,,,,"Its just a toy".... TRUST ME JAKE,,,,, someone is gonna get killed, or there is gonna be a crash somewhere with a cessna,,,,and then you'll find out that all of us ol' 'Geezers" might not be as dumb as you are!!!...Do what you want dumbass!!!
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WOW.... you guys bash someone when he has a concern about how STUPID people are getting with these things!!!! You know,,,your not to worried about it now,,, but it WILL happen,,,you WILL NOT be able to fly where ever you want soon.... RC Airports WILL be shut down if they are withing 5 miles of an airport...just for this reason ALONE... you know,,,you guys that bash all the time,,might want to grow a brain!! This place as well as other forums are getting loaded with people who think that just because its a hobby, that NOBODY and f*@k with us....your wrong... Look at gun rights!!! Look at your rights period...your being told what type of insurance you can have!! you told how fast to drive....ALL OF IT IS REGULATIONS!!!! the more you piss off the officials of the US,,,, the more there gonna restrict us.... its simple really,,, fly safe,,,and keep that kind of problem out of our hobby.. but that will never happen,,,because you THINK you can just fly anywhere,,,,"Its just a toy".... TRUST ME JAKE,,,,, someone is gonna get killed, or there is gonna be a crash somewhere with a cessna,,,,and then you'll find out that all of us ol' 'Geezers" might not be as dumb as you are!!!...Do what you want dumbass!!!
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I have been silently watching threads similar to this one but have to chime in after looking at the spreadsheet. What bothers me the most are the number of incidents listed at or above 2000 ft. I have pretty good eyesite for a 50 plus year old man but at that distance tracking direction seems a bit difficult. And I do think a lot of these occurances are people who either don't know the rules or don't think they have to follow them. Just my 2 cents worth
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/inv...rones-on-rise/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...=nl-eve&wpmm=1
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The hobby stores go where the money ithats how they stay in business.personally I find quads boring as hell but that's just me.the biggest issue that I see is the altitude these things go.the skies are busy with full scale planes costing millions of doors carry thousands of living passengers.uncontrlled for flights are a potential real threat to the flying public.the far wants these pilots to secure a pilots license of some sort.regulation of this aspect is a no brainer.but having said that flying for at 4 or 500 ft isn't going to threaten full scale pilots if the user exerc burying your head in the sand does nothing to ises common sense.they have no place near a airport nor d planes.rouges are are flying carelessly feeling the sky is free space.airports and military installations might just disagree.city parks should be judged on a case to case basis depending on the spaces available.finally I do have privacy concerns but I don't want the government controlling that from washington.As I said I find this aspect of the hobby boring but there are a heck of a lot who embrace it and they need their space.i do feel the ama is at a crossroads.if commerce is the primary goal that's counter to what the ama is about.the hobby will survive and name calling and riding y deepen the divide.
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The hobby stores go where the money ithats how they stay in business.personally I find quads boring as hell but that's just me.the biggest issue that I see is the altitude these things go.the skies are busy with full scale planes costing millions of doors carry thousands of living passengers.uncontrlled for flights are a potential real threat to the flying public.the far wants these pilots to secure a pilots license of some sort.regulation of this aspect is a no brainer.but having said that flying for at 4 or 500 ft isn't going to threaten full scale pilots if the user exerc burying your head in the sand does nothing to ises common sense.they have no place near a airport nor d planes.rouges are are flying carelessly feeling the sky is free space.airports and military installations might just disagree.city parks should be judged on a case to case basis depending on the spaces available.finally I do have privacy concerns but I don't want the government controlling that from washington.As I said I find this aspect of the hobby boring but there are a heck of a lot who embrace it and they need their space.i do feel the ama is at a crossroads.if commerce is the primary goal that's counter to what the ama is about.the hobby will survive and name calling and riding y deepen the divide.
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I would like to see a proposal for AMA club flying sites with published and enforced restrictions agreeable to the FAA put in place. I think we already have that but lets make it official and put them on the national airspace map.
So there would be a bubble of protected airspace over and around our hypothetical AMA club field. In it RC aircraft/helis/FPV/drones/rockets/whatever, are limited to "line of sight" distances from the pilot and out of full size aviation airspace. Roof is 400, feet max speed is 200 mph, diameter is 1/2 mile, something like that. Just like the national airspace restrictions around airports but for our tiny RC airfields. And at these fields we can do what we want, in our little bubble, with the FAA's blessing. Traditional RC flying can continue without worry at our club fields. FAA or government restrictions and police actions on unlawful model aircraft flying would not apply to us at our AMA sanctioned flying fields.
We need the AMA to protect our right to fly RC models and we have to disassociate ourselves from those who would cost us our right to fly by irresponsible acts outside of the AMA umbrella. The type of models flown is irrelevant. This is purely a safety, privacy, and security issue.
So there would be a bubble of protected airspace over and around our hypothetical AMA club field. In it RC aircraft/helis/FPV/drones/rockets/whatever, are limited to "line of sight" distances from the pilot and out of full size aviation airspace. Roof is 400, feet max speed is 200 mph, diameter is 1/2 mile, something like that. Just like the national airspace restrictions around airports but for our tiny RC airfields. And at these fields we can do what we want, in our little bubble, with the FAA's blessing. Traditional RC flying can continue without worry at our club fields. FAA or government restrictions and police actions on unlawful model aircraft flying would not apply to us at our AMA sanctioned flying fields.
We need the AMA to protect our right to fly RC models and we have to disassociate ourselves from those who would cost us our right to fly by irresponsible acts outside of the AMA umbrella. The type of models flown is irrelevant. This is purely a safety, privacy, and security issue.
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A quad at 500' can do considerable damage. Consider the Military Training Routes. Up to ten miles wide, altitudes below 1500AGL (there are a few that have legs surface to above 1500AGL), speeds in excess of 250KIAS, and all over the US. I know AMA doesn't publish those NOTAMS. routes are on VFR sectionals.
Sec. 91.119 - Minimum safe altitudes: General.
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[TD="class: alt2"]Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
(b) Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,500 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
(c) Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph (b) or (c) of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
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So the solution is actually very simple, IF the concern of the FAA is safety.
As flying at a AMA club field would constitute an "open air assembly of persons" the minimum altitude for full scale must be 1500'. And as the FAA has now classified "model aircraft" as "Aircraft" then our flying fields need to be shown on sectional charts with a minimum altitude of 1500' within 5 miles of the center of the field.
After all we all want safety in the NAS don't we?