Proposed Drone Law in California
09-30-2015, 12:55 PM
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I don't know exact numbers, but here's my educated guess:
PP fields around 1,100
PP Members around 2,700
Again, I don't have exact numbers for that, but if you would like better exacting numbers, I would suggest calling your local AVP, VP or Muncie head office.
PP fields around 1,100
PP Members around 2,700
Again, I don't have exact numbers for that, but if you would like better exacting numbers, I would suggest calling your local AVP, VP or Muncie head office.
09-30-2015, 01:08 PM
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OH FOR THE LOVE GOD! Stop with the pissing contest.
Here are the facts;
2011, Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2012 Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2013, Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2014 Park Pilot gained money for the AMA.
This is the simple truth. No agenda. No twisting. This is simply going by the financial statements provided by AMA's independent auditor.
And what is your other question?..........
Can we now get back to the topic that actually mattered....
Here are the facts;
2011, Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2012 Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2013, Park Pilot lost money for the AMA.
2014 Park Pilot gained money for the AMA.
This is the simple truth. No agenda. No twisting. This is simply going by the financial statements provided by AMA's independent auditor.
And what is your other question?..........
Can we now get back to the topic that actually mattered....
09-30-2015, 01:25 PM
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'Made a general comment, didn't point anyone out nor exclude myself, but don't let that get in the way of yet another personal attack. I'll try to add to the thread, you do what you want."
Not a personal attack just a observation
Mike. .
Not a personal attack just a observation
Mike. .
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09-30-2015, 02:33 PM
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09-30-2015, 05:18 PM
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I don't know about the membership numbers.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
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09-30-2015, 05:29 PM
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"So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office"
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
09-30-2015, 05:34 PM
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"So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office"
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
09-30-2015, 05:55 PM
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Agreed. I do like to give folks the benefit of the doubt in an opportunity to redeem them self, but it's clear this individual can't cite anything other than five year old third party hearsay as a reference. You'd think since the AMA is a 501 organization legally required to report their financials he could at least look them up and analyze them and form his own opinion, but that's simply not the case here. He's just believing what he read on the Internet and investing his ego in his position. It's almost time for the ignore button.
09-30-2015, 05:58 PM
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All you needed to do to perform your own "Open Air Market Analysis" [feasibility study] is to go on some drives through the parks, playgrounds, vacant lots, etc throughout the USA. and look for signs of pre-existing "PPP Activity".
The AMA took the Lazy Man's Approach and went by Park Flyer sales figures which are misleading. If you went by the Cox .049 sales figures of 50 years ago, you would have been mislead, thinking that their products were a very common, every day sight to see on your typical playground [which they weren't].
I'll venture a guess that more AMA members.witnessed the recent lunar eclipse than those who have ever witnessed any sort of PPP Activity [by non AMA members] first hand.
The AMA took the Lazy Man's Approach and went by Park Flyer sales figures which are misleading. If you went by the Cox .049 sales figures of 50 years ago, you would have been mislead, thinking that their products were a very common, every day sight to see on your typical playground [which they weren't].
I'll venture a guess that more AMA members.witnessed the recent lunar eclipse than those who have ever witnessed any sort of PPP Activity [by non AMA members] first hand.
09-30-2015, 06:05 PM
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I don't know about the membership numbers.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
09-30-2015, 06:23 PM
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"So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office"
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
Actually if enough voiced their opinion to the people we elected and they followed the members wishes it would not be necessary.
I think what we have is a bunch of people just wanting to fly and the AMA is a necessity to do so. They could care less about the day to day of the organization.
Mike
09-30-2015, 06:26 PM
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In an age where well established, privately owned magazines are going out of business it is remarkable that the PPP mag with only a 2700 circulation can not only make it, but also command high enough advertising rates to afford to pay full time staff, publishing costs, postage, etc. with only $81,000 in dues up front.
How many privately owned businesses [in the Real World with no safety net] would be foolish enough to pursue something that looks as bleak as this...?
How many privately owned businesses [in the Real World with no safety net] would be foolish enough to pursue something that looks as bleak as this...?
09-30-2015, 07:47 PM
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I don't know about the membership numbers.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
The first year the PPP was instated, approximately $109,000 dollars was spent just on the magazine. That same year the marketing budget jumped approximately $200,000 for the year.
To put this in perspective, the AMA spent approximately 1.5 percent of the Annual AMA budget to get PPP established the first year.
Now, what to think about. Some may call this a failure. It is only failure if something is not done to try to bring in new members. Some may not agree with this decision, but at least action was taken and an attempt was made. At the end of the day, the only real way they [AMA] could have failed is by not taking any action.
So if you don't agree with actions of the AMA, run for office and change things up if you think you can do things better than the current administration.
$309,000 = X of 1.5% annual budget
$309,000= X times .015
$309,000 / .015 = X
$20.6 Million annual budget = X....[!]
$20,6 / 150,000 members = $137 per member spent......that's impressive...!
I'm surprised our crispy "business expert" allowed the obvious fallacy with these numbers to slip past his signature, sanctimonious review with such incompetent ease.
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10-01-2015, 02:32 AM
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$309,000 = X of 1.5% annual budget
$309,000= X times .015
$309,000 / .015 = X
$20.6 Million annual budget = X....[!]
$20,6 / 150,000 members = $137 per member spent......that's impressive...!
I'm surprised our crispy "business expert" allowed the obvious fallacy with these numbers to slip past his signature, sanctimonious review with such incompetent ease.
$309,000= X times .015
$309,000 / .015 = X
$20.6 Million annual budget = X....[!]
$20,6 / 150,000 members = $137 per member spent......that's impressive...!
I'm surprised our crispy "business expert" allowed the obvious fallacy with these numbers to slip past his signature, sanctimonious review with such incompetent ease.
10-01-2015, 02:40 AM
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Good question. Membership numbers over the next few years will answer that question once and for all. Now next years numbers will look great due to members jumping on the option of renewing at the old rate.
My interaction with locals (and other modelers nationwide I know) along with what going on in the threads ( you don't have to look very hard to see that) seem to indicate the organization involved in something that a number of members are questioning.
Mike
My interaction with locals (and other modelers nationwide I know) along with what going on in the threads ( you don't have to look very hard to see that) seem to indicate the organization involved in something that a number of members are questioning.
Mike
10-01-2015, 02:41 AM
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Well said TimJ. If every business offering returned a profit the day it was launched we'd all be doing it. Those with business knowledge and experience realize many new offerings can take some time to become profitable. This is what separates the experienced from the inexperienced when it comes to business.
Mike.
10-01-2015, 09:37 AM
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Since according to you, obtaining the "Real numbers" is like picking up a loaf of bread, why don't you lead by example...?
I stated that the PPP spent A LOT per each member and I'm still waiting for you to disprove it after you challenged the accuracy / integrity of that statement.
It's on you now, Hot Shot.
I stated that the PPP spent A LOT per each member and I'm still waiting for you to disprove it after you challenged the accuracy / integrity of that statement.
It's on you now, Hot Shot.
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