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Old 12-16-2015, 01:54 PM
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I say we ban together and let FAA know that they can't control everything. refuse the registration process !!
you can email FAA and voice your concerns. Let's plaster their mail server . !!! https://www.faa.gov/contact/safety_hotline/
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Old 12-16-2015, 02:06 PM
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If 50 percent of all AMA pilots would refuse to register, the FAA would not be able to enforce their illegal ruling.
Old 12-17-2015, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnB96041 View Post
If 50 percent of all AMA pilots would refuse to register, the FAA would not be able to enforce their illegal ruling.
How would this hurt the FAA?
Old 12-17-2015, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnB96041 View Post
If 50 percent of all AMA pilots would refuse to register, the FAA would not be able to enforce their illegal ruling.
+1 In 2012 the FAA wrote they would not regulate model aircraft, now this??? Seems to me there has to be a vote of some kind to repeal a law, then administer a new law before it is Law?
Old 12-17-2015, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by warningshot View Post
How would this hurt the FAA?
The FAA is already hurting ! As two friends of mine that work for the FAA have stated " we do not have the manpower to cover the work load that we presently have ".
Old 12-17-2015, 02:24 PM
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Dear AMA Members,

Yesterday, the AMA Executive Council unanimously approved an action plan to relieve and further protect our members from unnecessary and burdensome regulations. This plan addresses the recently announced interim rule requiring federal registration of all model aircraft and unmanned aircraft systems (UAS) weighing between 0.55 and 55 pounds.
AMA has long used a similar registration system with our members, which we pointed out during the task force deliberations and in private conversations with the FAA. As you are aware, AMA's safety program instructs all members to place his or her AMA number or name and address on or within their model aircraft, effectively accomplishing the safety and accountability objectives of the interim rule. AMA has also argued that the new registration rule runs counter to Congress' intent in Section 336 of the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, otherwise known as the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft."
The Council is considering all legal and political remedies to address this issue. We believe that resolution to the unnecessary federal registration rule for our members rests with AMA's petition before the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. This petition, filed in August 2014, asks the court to review the FAA's interpretation of the "Special Rule for Model Aircraft." The central issue is whether the FAA has the authority to expand the definition of aircraft to include model aircraft; thus, allowing the agency to establish new standards and operating criteria to which model aircraft operators have never been subject to in the past.
In promulgating its interim rule for registration earlier this week, the FAA repeatedly stated that model aircraft are aircraft, despite the fact that litigation is pending on this very question. The Council believes the FAA's reliance on its interpretation of Section 336 for legal authority to compel our members to register warrants the Court's immediate attention to AMA's petition.
While we continue to believe that registration makes sense at some threshold and for flyers operating outside of a community-based organization or flying for commercial purposes, we also strongly believe our members are not the problem and should not have to bear the burden of additional regulations. Safety has been the cornerstone of our organization for 80 years and AMA's members strive to be a part of the solution.
As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.
Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members.
In the near future, we will also be asking our members to make their voices heard by submitting comments to the FAA's interim rule on registration. We will follow-up soon with more detailed information on how to do this.
Thank you for your continued support of AMA. We will provide you with more updates as they become available.
Kind regards,


The AMA Executive Council
Bob Brown, AMA President
Gary Fitch, AMA Executive Vice President
Andy Argenio, AMA Vice President, District I
Eric Williams, AMA Vice President, District II
Mark Radcliff, AMA Vice President, District III
Jay Marsh, AMA Vice President, District IV
Kris Dixon, AMA Vice President, District V
Randy Cameron, AMA Vice President, District VI
Tim Jesky, AMA Vice President, District VII
Mark Johnston, AMA Vice President, District VIII
Jim Tiller, AMA Vice President, District IX
Lawrence Tougas, AMA Vice President, District X
Chuck Bower, AMA Vice President, District XI

Mike



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it would show solidarity and also show FAA that they had no right to change the bill that was approved in 2012 . We won't be pushed around period. We ,AMA members are not the problem so don't come down on us for stupid people.
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http://jrupprechtlaw.com/myrupprecht...istration-rule

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Old 12-17-2015, 03:06 PM
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"As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft."
Old 12-17-2015, 09:32 PM
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If we refuse to register the FAA will ban all r/c flying. That will make it easy for them; there will be no need to determine who is registered and who isn't. This is a no-win situation for us. The hobby is doomed no matter what we do or what AMA does; further more restrictive rules are sure to follow. With a membership totaling only about 180,000, AMA is too small to sway bureaucrats and politicians.

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Old 12-18-2015, 02:25 AM
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if you come at the situation from a defeated stand point right from the beginning .then you are already defeated . Sure glad the brave men that fought and died for our country did think like that. how do you think small special interest groups got such power ?
Old 12-18-2015, 06:19 AM
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Years ago, as a junior officer in a squadron, a Navy Flag taught me a valuable lesson: "There is no problem that cannot be made worse."

Consider what happens to our hobby if the FAA sees this action by Muncie and decides to escalate by formally denying the AMA's request to be recognized as a CBO. There would be some poetic justice in that from the FAA's perspective, as with a stroke of a pen the AMA's beloved section 336 language would immediately become a set of golden handcuffs.

Thumbing one's nose at a federal agency generally doesn't end well. Be careful what we wish for. If administrative controls like registration are ignored, then the FAA will have no option but to impose strict operational controls. Things like no flight above 400' AGL anywhere. No flight within lateral limits of class B, C, or D airspace or within 5 NM of hospitals with heliports. This can get a lot worse if we're not careful or are seen as not playing well with others.
Old 12-18-2015, 06:22 AM
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i choose not to live in fear of my government ... period . loosing a hobby is far less that loosing what you stand for
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Originally Posted by JohnB96041 View Post
If 50 percent of all AMA pilots would refuse to register, the FAA would not be able to enforce their illegal ruling.
Well, so far you're up to almost 24% http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...tion-poll.html
Old 12-18-2015, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by warbird_1 View Post
Yep, that's the image I want to portray to the world!!!
Old 12-18-2015, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by radfordc View Post
Well, so far you're up to almost 24% http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...tion-poll.html
ahh...the fickle reading of stats..... That's 24% of people who chose to respond to my silly poll, the total of which is 81 so far.

Anyway, there is no reality to this premise:

If 50 percent of all AMA pilots would refuse to register, the FAA would not be able to enforce their illegal ruling.
Old 12-18-2015, 10:50 AM
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If we can't get 50% of the PO'ed people on this list to not register, what's the chance that 50% of all pilots will "burn their bra".

Here is how the FAA will handle it if even 100% don't register. They will sit around and wait for the first guy to screw up that makes the news. That guy will get the full $250,000 fine and get to make even more headlines. Eventually, after much lawyering, he might get off with a $1000 fine and wish that he had never heard of the FAA or model airplanes.
Old 12-18-2015, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Granpooba View Post
The FAA is already hurting ! As two friends of mine that work for the FAA have stated " we do not have the manpower to cover the work load that we presently have ".
Then we should all register and forget about the one registration for the fleet. One for each aircraft. That may keep them busy for a while.

Wait no, it just dumps to a database, right?
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Read This!
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Originally Posted by radfordc View Post
Yep, that's the image I want to portray to the world!!!
i'm glad you like it.
Old 12-18-2015, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglen2fb View Post
Red herring sensationalized journalism. Why didn't the story mention that a public database is already available for scale pilots and their planes? Not quite the sizzle I guess.
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Originally Posted by porcia83 View Post
Red herring sensationalized journalism. Why didn't the story mention that a public database is already available for scale pilots and their planes? Not quite the sizzle I guess.
Yeah but how many people in the 13-18 year old group own a plane.... With their home address....
Old 12-18-2015, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Limitless Aero View Post
Yeah but how many people in the 13-18 year old group own a plane.... With their home address....
Obviously not many, but it's not just about ownership of the plane, it's about the licensing too. And, more importantly, that the searchable data base exists, that piece was left out of the story. Oddly enough so many kids give out far more revealing info on FB, Snapchat, and Instragram. Didn't we used to just pass notes in class?

Also, there are hundreds of licenses people are required to have that are all available for public consumption. The best companies in the world have proven they can't protect the info, and the govt as well. No longer any real secure "privacy" per se.
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This whole thing has me just ill, I had my first grandchild born yesterday that did not have a RC plane built from grampa when he came into this world, to be honest I have not touched a plane in a couple months till I see how this all plays out, I know I am done buying anything RC related for awhile. Its funny but very sad, people can break into our country and not be called criminals, but soon if we don't comply with these new laws we will be criminals flying our rc planes. I eat, sleep and dream of my next build, don't have anything I would rather do then build and fly, we have to win this Battle. the 5 bucks is just the tip of the iceberg.

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