how about a link? google search shows a club FB page that hasn't been updated since Sept 2015.

just type permian basin model airplane club pbmac on facebook.
that is how i got it.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/PBMAC/?fref=nf

Nothing official from the club. Just a copy of some message from a guy that was copied and pasted to their page.

Mike

+1

Unless someone posts a citation from the FAA it's nothing more than hearsay.

I dug into this and all I can find is hearsay other than the supposed club involved is 1.8 miles from an airport

Which club was that? Permian is about 10 miles from an airport.

Moderators, this guy is getting dangerous with his false information. can't you shut him up?

There is nothing false about it. Local police have no responsibility to enforce FAA regulations and nobody can find a law or regulation saying otherwise. You don't have to give your FAA registration to local police without a warrant. In fact you don't even have to show your license without a warrant, but if you are driving then they can ticket you for failure to prove license. But the local police likely have no law to ticket you for FAA registration.


So show me a regulation or law that says otherwise.

If that was directed at me, I don't moderate AMA forums, that little joy belongs solely to RC Ken, if you feel a post violates RCU rules/policy you're free to report it. If you don't like or disagree with the content, then you're free to ignore it.

I suggest that the derogatory post asking to ban me be removed. He cannot prove anything I have posted is false. He continues to claim everything I say is false. I do not recall that he could ever disprove my posts. Not saying I never post something that is incorrect as others have corrected me. Just that this person never has a clue and continues to use defamatory rhetoric against me.

Figured as much. More he said I heard from someone they said type of stuff. Not a shot at Mongo either for passing the info along, but this is something that we should all be concerned about, the "stories" that are going to be told. Earlier in another thread a member noted that the FAA had been repeatedly visiting that club but gave little details as to what could be the cause of that. He did show a business card of someone from the FAA, but there was little context as to how these multiple visits came to be. Just a personal opinion but there it's almost impossible that an agency of this size would just pick a random club to keep visiting over and over. Something is behind that. The same with this most recent alleged visit. At least the proximity to an airport might be a clue.

I'm not saying clubs will never get a visit, but it would certainly help to have those actually involved write about it here, or RCG, or even the drone sites so that we can all understand what went down, how it was handled, and most importantly what might have triggered the visit. I'm going to go out on a limb and note the visits will probably be as a result of someone doing something wrong, or a report of an issue.

Contrary to a few comments about standing your ground, cops don't have a right etc etc, that's all fine and well to say if you aren't flying at a club, or better yet own the property. For many of us, we're on town/city/state property. Thumbing your nose rarely works well in these situations. Answer the questions, show your cards if asked, and if you didn't do anything wrong, there won't be any issues. Yes Yes, a sheeple approach to some, but it's the reality of what we're dealing with. If you think you've been wronged somehow, file the appropriate complaints.

I can't trust anything he says. None of his posts contain references to the code he is referring to many of them contain the word probably.

It's not even clear what club! Someone posted on the PBMAC website, but they did not say it was at the PBMAC field.

I have made many references in the past, with links to them. You probably don't understand them. In this case there is no law to link because there is no law that says local LEO must enforce FAA regulations. Well have you found anything? How about the "Law Enforcement Reference Card" itself. It says "guidance".

Section 44103(d) of Title 49 of the United States Code says: "An operator of an aircraft shall make available for inspection a certificate of registration for the aircraft when requested by a United States Government, State, or local law enforcement officer."

Sport was wrong in saying that local law enforcement officers need a warrant to see your registration certificate. This is something all full-scale pilots know.

So some more digging turned up the actual event took place at Supulveda Basin which is 1.8 or so miles from Van Nuys Airport, the club has an agreement with the authority to stay under 400 feet.

I still haven't seen the actual citations.

Granted I did not know about that. However it was written for full scall aircraft.

This is a model airplane and that section does not apply to them. I as does the AMA believe that model airplanes is excepted from this law.

Well, the FAA's whole registration thing is based on their belief that model airplanes are airplanes, so they don't agree with you. I wish the AMA well in its challenges, but I'm not optimistic. To be sure, if you're right nobody (including the FAA) can insist on seeing your model's registration, but if we're going to operate on the assumption that models aren't aircraft, then why register in the first place?

When I read it again it says we must make available. It does not say the local police must check for registration. Unless deeper into that section.

Which is why I have not registered and will never register.

The man ain't keepin you down brother!

I'm pretty sure nobody has claimed they're required to do that. But so what? You said that if they did check you wouldn't have to show it to them unless they had a warrant. That's not true. Unless we're assuming that the whole registration requirement is invalid, in which case you wouldn't need to register at all, so if they ask to see your registration you wouldn't ask for a warrant, you''d tell them you don't have one. In short, this talk about warrants is nonsense.

It's self inflicted ignorance.

That's his SOP, show him he's wrong and then he'll move the goal post again to somehow make it look like he's right.

Actually the regulation is not law so you could still ask for a warrant, but would risk FAA fine. And yes the the whole process is invalid, we will have to wait maybe at least a few months to see if the courts agree.