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Old 03-08-2016 | 08:24 PM
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That's his SOP, show him he's wrong and then he'll move the goal post again to somehow make it look like he's right.
I admitted I was wrong. I started on another aspect because someone said (not here but another thread) LOE must check,

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If the police ask for my FAA registration I will gladly show it to them as I don't need the potential problems that could result from not doing so.
Old 03-08-2016 | 11:38 PM
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If you went through trouble to get the permit, might as well show it. Then maybe you can talk the LEO into flying also.
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If you went through trouble to get the permit, might as well show it. Then maybe you can talk the LEO into flying also.
Now that is a great way to approach the situation. Sadly some here (a small and stubborn misguided few) would call you a coward, and say you're giving up your rights, and your a "sheep" for not standing up to the big bad govt.

I'd say you just might get someone into flying, which is fantastic.
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Actually the regulation is not law so you could still ask for a warrant, but would risk FAA fine. And yes the the whole process is invalid, we will have to wait maybe at least a few months to see if the courts agree.
It's not a regulation, Sport, it's a section of the United States Code, which is a compilation of all the laws passed by Congress and signed into law by the president. Keep digging. Regulations are published in the Federal Register and then in the Code of Federal Regulations; the United States Code is statutes. If you want to pretend you're a lawyer you should learn these things. Not that it matters much, because valid regulations have the force of law, as many people serving time for violating them could tell you.

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Old 03-09-2016 | 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Top_Gunn
It's not a regulation, Sport, it's a section of the United States Code, which is a compilation of all the laws passed by Congress and signed into law by the president. Keep digging. Regulations are compiled in the Federal Register; the United States Code is statutes. If you want to pretend you're a lawyer you should learn these things. Not that it matters much, because valid regulations have the force of law, as many people serving time for violating them could tell you.
Ok, I thought it was the registration regulation. This is another example of why the regulation of model airplanes is so screwed up. BTW was the law that said model airplanes are exempt ever codified. Since you have been searching that is.
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Originally Posted by porcia83
Now that is a great way to approach the situation. Sadly some here (a small and stubborn misguided few) would call you a coward, and say you're giving up your rights, and your a "sheep" for not standing up to the big bad govt.

I'd say you just might get someone into flying, which is fantastic.
It's an interesting perspective to say the least. Some refuse to register citing privacy issues and the fear that someone else will use their FAA number on their model aircraft and the could held accountable. Yes, I've already seen several folks putting their FAA registration number in their signature on forum posts just as some folks include their AMA number.

Gotta love these social experiments....
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Well, AMA numbers aren't a publicly searchable database.
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Originally Posted by BarracudaHockey
Well, AMA numbers aren't a publicly searchable database.
If you're responding to my post, I never said AMA numbers are publicly searchable. However, you can validate based on last name and AMA number on the AMA website.

The search criteria for the FAA registration DB has yet to be specified. All I've heard so far is you can search on registration ID. I have not yet seen anything confirming you can search on other criteria (e.g., name, address, city, zip, etc.) Of course, nothing in the FAA registration process is SPI either.

Of course, all this concern over non-SPI information makes me wonder if some folks ever used a phone book.
Old 03-09-2016 | 06:59 AM
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Do they still have phone books? I don't think my phone company has issued them in about a decade.
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Do they still have phone books? I don't think my phone company has issued them in about a decade.
I still get one every year or so.
Old 03-09-2016 | 07:26 AM
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I still get one every year or so.
What good is it for? Starting that Christmas fire?
Old 03-09-2016 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
What good is it for? Starting that Christmas fire?
Yes, and a paperweight among other things
Old 03-09-2016 | 08:20 AM
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They finally quit dropping them off at my door about 2 years ago.
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I recently flew as a guest at a field in Florida. As I approached the flightline I was asked very politely if I had both my AMA card which needed to be displayed on my person (they even provided a clip-on clear pocket holder) and whether I had registered with the FAA and to show where that number was on my aircraft. After that I was free to fly following the rest of their typical field safety rules.

One of the clubs I fly with at home required the FAA number be supplied to the club secretary before the gate code would be issued (as well as current club and AMA membership)

Although I have the FAA and AMA numbers displayed on my aircraft, none of the home fields in Maine have asked for the numbers at the flightline.

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Old 03-09-2016 | 09:22 AM
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Some clubs are taking it upon themselves to ask/require FAA

The AMA's stance at this time is that it's between you and the feds, insurance is valid as long as you have a current AMA.

SOME clubs on public land or airport property may have no choice but to make sure everyone is in compliance, but as far as the AMA is concerned, they do not require it.
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Originally Posted by Jaybird
I recently flew as a guest at a field in Florida. As I approached the flightline I was asked very politely if I had both my AMA card which needed to be displayed on my person (they even provided a clip-on clear pocket holder) and whether I had registered with the FAA and to show where that number was on my aircraft. After that I was free to fly following the rest of their typical field safety rules.

One of the clubs I fly with at home required the FAA number be supplied to the club secretary before the gate code would be issued (as well as current club and AMA membership)

Although I have the FAA and AMA numbers displayed on my aircraft, none of the home fields in Maine have asked for the numbers at the flightline.

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So what if you show up with mico's and/or 1/2a weighing less than two pounds?
Old 03-09-2016 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Aquila1954
If you went through trouble to get the permit, might as well show it. Then maybe you can talk the LEO into flying also.
Once in while the local deputy sheriff stops at our field to watch us fly. We'll get him hooked yet!
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Originally Posted by dryverman
Once in while the local deputy sheriff stops at our field to watch us fly. We'll get him hooked yet!
Exactly...hook em up with a buddy box, and he'll be ad addict before long.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
So what if you show up with mico's and/or 1/2a weighing less than two pounds?
I don't fly those types of aircraft (I assume you mean micro) so I don't know. It would be an interesting question as one club does a lot of indoor flying through the winter. I'll have to ask.

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Indoor aircraft are not required to be registered (or rather, their owners do not need to display an FAA number on indoor aircraft).
Old 03-09-2016 | 08:34 PM
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i am starting to expect that we may be seeing some real BIG, and i mean BIG. indoor venues come up in the not to distant future.
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Originally Posted by Sport_Pilot
What good is it for? Starting that Christmas fire?
Need to keep the tree farmers employed.
Old 03-10-2016 | 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by mongo
i am starting to expect that we may be seeing some real BIG, and i mean BIG. indoor venues come up in the not to distant future.
It would be nice to see more, but I think the reality is that it's just as difficult to find indoor places willing to host RC as it find new places for clubs to start. Indoor is more popular around here in the winter but come with their own set of issues. Odd hours (like 1-3 twice a month on Fridays), or 7-9 at night, otherwise the places are devoted to indoor sports. Some schools will allow it, but only for micro gliders and rubber band planes. I doubt there will be a largscale shift to indoors just because of the registration, but I would guess the numbers would still pick up.

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