Are we as hobbyist UAS users in the clear for now? can we jump for joy? or to soon?
07-28-2016, 06:37 AM
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Will these laws absolutely stop shipdits from shooting at drones? Of course not. However, all drones will have to do is avoid flying over mobile home parks.
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07-28-2016, 07:36 AM
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much like they occasionally do with police and news helicopters now.
However, almost every municipality already has laws about recklessly shooting into the sky (the "what-goes-up..." law)
laws already I place that prohibit criminal destruction of someone else's property
The privacy issue may be a hurdle to commercial drones until the courts can agree on how much of the sky a landowner can control. (And there are already laws in place that give aircraft the right to overfly private property as low as 500ft).
07-28-2016, 08:12 AM
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Have you seen anybody extoll how much they want this? I haven't. But I suppose many customers do want this, but they may also have many neighbours with shotguns who do not. Now I suppose the shotgun is not a problem in your area, but it most certainly is in the rural south, I was not kidding about that.
The shotgun thing is a red herring, probably worse than that given the generalization attached to the rural south now too.
07-28-2016, 08:21 AM
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I'm not so sure about that because I don't think the customers were asking for drone delivery until Amazon put the idea into their heads. I still think it's more gimmicky (or call it futuristic) than practical at this point due to the legal and practical issues that must be overcome first. As an example, self-driving cars are just now becoming a possibility but they're still a long ways off before they'll be reliable enough to be turned loose on the streets. And cars only operate in two dimensions. Adding a third (altitude) and the complication factor is increased by a whole lot more than just 50%.
I will admit that drone delivery may eventually become a reality but will it be easier and cheaper than a big brown truck and driver? Probably not for many years. In the meantime, Amazon has excited the masses with its proposal and that has brought positive attention to the company. I think THAT may be more to Amazon's stockholders benefit than actually putting drones in the air. At least for right now.
The unfortunate reality of implementing a new idea is that closing your eyes and dreaming it up was the easy part.
Harvey
I will admit that drone delivery may eventually become a reality but will it be easier and cheaper than a big brown truck and driver? Probably not for many years. In the meantime, Amazon has excited the masses with its proposal and that has brought positive attention to the company. I think THAT may be more to Amazon's stockholders benefit than actually putting drones in the air. At least for right now.
The unfortunate reality of implementing a new idea is that closing your eyes and dreaming it up was the easy part.
Harvey
07-28-2016, 08:28 AM
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Sport,
I live in rural Texas, where our street signs have more holes than a congressman's conscience. We INVENTED dumbass rednecks!
Your points are well taken but most of your rebuttals apply to hunting. Yes, you can shoot a shotgun into the sky but not if your intent is to blow away someone's property. And it is also true that there are times when killing a trespasser is justified but you better be able to convince the court that your life or property were directly threatened, and not just because you didn't like him being there.
You have to remember that the law rarely sides with someone who destroys someone else's property (i.e. a drone) just because they don't like it; especially if they're not being directly harmed or threatened. If a camera-equipped drone is caught hovering outside someone's 14 year old daughter's bedroom window, I'LL help them shoot it down. However, if a drone is simply crossing over someone's property above 500ft, the law isn't likely going to buy the landowner's excuse that he shot it down because he felt threatened.
And yes, it is true that many folks choose to ignore laws but I doubt that even the courts in Georgia accept that as a valid defense.
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I live in rural Texas, where our street signs have more holes than a congressman's conscience. We INVENTED dumbass rednecks!
Your points are well taken but most of your rebuttals apply to hunting. Yes, you can shoot a shotgun into the sky but not if your intent is to blow away someone's property. And it is also true that there are times when killing a trespasser is justified but you better be able to convince the court that your life or property were directly threatened, and not just because you didn't like him being there.
You have to remember that the law rarely sides with someone who destroys someone else's property (i.e. a drone) just because they don't like it; especially if they're not being directly harmed or threatened. If a camera-equipped drone is caught hovering outside someone's 14 year old daughter's bedroom window, I'LL help them shoot it down. However, if a drone is simply crossing over someone's property above 500ft, the law isn't likely going to buy the landowner's excuse that he shot it down because he felt threatened.
And yes, it is true that many folks choose to ignore laws but I doubt that even the courts in Georgia accept that as a valid defense.
Harvey
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07-28-2016, 08:31 AM
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Marketing 101...create a need! Create a feeling that someone is missing something! LOL...these people are geniuses at this kind of thing! Check out the book Buyology by Martin Linsdstrom, it's fascinating how our minds work, and how companies manipulate them. even more shocking is how young it starts! Have you caught the Charmin commercials yet? Talk about TMI...promoting ridged toilet paper for a "cleaner" feel, then suggesting people go "commando". LOL, and gross (the toilet paper, not commando)
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07-28-2016, 08:36 AM
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The shotgun thing is a red herring, probably worse than that given the generalization attached to the rural south now too.
07-28-2016, 08:40 AM
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07-28-2016, 10:02 AM
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07-29-2016, 03:36 AM
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Marketing 101...create a need! Create a feeling that someone is missing something! LOL...these people are geniuses at this kind of thing! Check out the book Buyology by Martin Linsdstrom, it's fascinating how our minds work, and how companies manipulate them. even more shocking is how young it starts! Have you caught the Charmin commercials yet? Talk about TMI...promoting ridged toilet paper for a "cleaner" feel, then suggesting people go "commando". LOL, and gross (the toilet paper, not commando)
I could see that this could easily become the biggest risk to non-commercial sUAS flying as we know it. The Amazons of the world have truckloads of money to throw at lobby efforts, more than enough to hit all the states. If they manage to get their customers clamoring for it too, then think of the number of auto-letters to Congress someone like Amazon could get generated if they chose to go that way.
They could easily get over 200,000 from individual states.
Just thinking out loud.
07-29-2016, 05:03 AM
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Marketing 101...create a need! Create a feeling that someone is missing something! LOL...these people are geniuses at this kind of thing! Check out the book Buyology by Martin Linsdstrom, it's fascinating how our minds work, and how companies manipulate them. even more shocking is how young it starts! Have you caught the Charmin commercials yet? Talk about TMI...promoting ridged toilet paper for a "cleaner" feel, then suggesting people go "commando". LOL, and gross (the toilet paper, not commando)
Just found something about it:
http://www.afgc.org.au/our-expertise...g-to-children/
07-29-2016, 09:01 AM
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Good Morning Gents .....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
07-29-2016, 09:36 AM
#570
Good Morning Gents .....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
07-30-2016, 12:36 PM
#572
I was told those definitions I posted from a Muslum from Syria who legally became a US citizen just after the 9/11 attacks . A nice guy , neighbor , but he may have been speaking of his regional dialect rather than the strict "textbook definition" . As in , "common usage" , which I just discussed with you in a different thread ....
07-30-2016, 02:24 PM
#574
Good Morning Gents .....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
Just an FYI , and don't hold me to exact spelling , but "Halal" is the Muslim word that's equal to the Jewish word "Kosher" , foods that are allowed . The word for off limits foods in the Jewish faith is "Traif" , which I believe is "Haram" in the Muslim faith .
For an easy reference to these words , search out how McDonald's was taken to task by a Muslim group here in the US a year or two ago for having no "Halal" offerings on their menu , and the African terrorist organization "Boko Haram" literally translates to "the Western way is forbidden" ....
