I appreciate that, but really, I was not insulted in the slightest, and being banned would be the best thing to happen to me, I would not mind. Yes, I was banned before, I am perfectly ready to be banned again if need be, I'm sure I will deserve it, I have a whole pallet of Kleenex I bought wholesale ready just in case of such a contingency.
Don't take allegations too seriously. Take ALLIGATORS seriously. Did you know that there is a whole breed of albino SuperGators living in Manhattan's sewer system? For real. DON'T go down there.

Thanks Charley. However, do not expect ET to do other than brag about himself and insult everyone and every place else. ET made 3 posts since yours and mine, requesting for him to lay down his cards. ET has NO FACTS or any knowledge about his claims against me. Somewhere back when I was a DVP, I probably initiated/supported some plan or program that crowded his thumb out of the AMA pie. I really have no clue as to his mythical claims. IMO, neither does he.

Right. It's me against all the Texans, and they just don't realize they are outnumbered!

At any rate, let me turn this around:

Horrace, what do YOU plan to do if you are elected?

NO NO, ET you can't turn it around. Musn't touch! Bad bad!

You were asked FIRST! However my plans are contained in a number of this forum's threads.

It's YOUR turn, small person. [>:]

Then go ahead and recap them for "small persons" like me.
I want to hear what it is you want to "improve" at AMA, were you elected.

My complements on straightening out the banned issue, but don't let that go to your New York head. Your hat might not fit.

Why do you have to be AGAINST? Is that what you prefer to being for improving things?

I am still waiting for Horrible to explain some of his anti AMA EC assertions with provable facts. The additional cost of all those extra magazines is a good place to start...

Just answer the question easy tiger....your avoiding it because you know you cant come up with an excuse!

As I remember Et was banned for taking peoples money and then conveniently loosing the item in the postal system. LOL

I find it interesting that he won't acknowledge your request for details, seems very telling of his personality.

I gots me a ten gallon hat from when I visited the Fort Worth Stockyards, my head can grow another three-four gallons and still fit...

I am not "against". I am very much FOR AMA and model aviation and most other things that are spoken about in this forum...seems like most of the people here are AGAINST AMA, if being FOR AMA makes me AGAINST them, then call me AGAINST.
I am against Horrace, though. For a multitude of reasons.
But I don't spend an awful lot of time worrying about him...so far as I can see, he hasn't even been NOMINATED, much less elected. If he DOES get nominated, when he loses, he will cry foul, claim "spoilers", a recount, "old boy network", blah blah blah, we saw all that before.

I'm pretty happy with the current EVP, he's well-qualified and he's doing a good job. Show me a candidate that can do better, and you've got MY vote.

I'll nominate Horrace, if he wants. No sweat off my back.

And still nothing specific. LOL

Ok listen up here. If you want to make a claim that someone was dishonest then you had better be able to back it up with facts and figures or I will shut your post down and close the thread, 'nuff said.

Hey dude,
YOU said "It's me against all the Texans," and I find that devisive rather than constructive. That was what I was speaking of.

Nominating Horrible is not consistant with the standards you have held in the past.

Which statement was a joke? Or dribble?

Neve can tell as you Nuyokers are like that.

Or have you been bagged lately?

jim, i am pretty sure he was banned in the past, i was only speaking tounge in cheek about being banned now. he hasnt done anything to offend me. easy, why did the big guy ban you. heck in a way it could have been a badge of honor and then again maybe not. now easy, as for texas, remember we, texas, were a nation and decided to join up with the usa. new york was just a portlater, barry

ET you say that I, Horrace Cain, am a danger to the hobby.
You refuse to state specifics evidencing such. Your defamation of a person by written or representational means defines the word libel.

ET, "Charley" asked for information as to how I would hurt the hobby if I became an AMA officer. You ignored that item.

ET you state: "I am against Horrace, though. For a multitude of reasons.
But I don't spend an awful lot of time worrying about him...so far as I can see, he hasn't even been NOMINATED, much less elected."
I have to be the bearer of unpleasant news for you. YOU can't see very far. [>:]

Giving the devil his due, I have to admit that I have this "losing-the-election-thing pretty well figured out. However, being somewhat stubborn, I still hang in there. ("Never give up for that is just the place the tide will turn." H.B. Stowe)

Now ET, you answer my post (#53) with again what YOU WANT!
Is Reading Comprehension something beyond your grasp, ET. You were TOLD that what you want is within this forum. So have at it. It's all a matter of record right here in this forum, all made in just a past few months.
Therefore, ET, I know of no good reason to again place it all here in this thread, or even to continue this conversation until you comply with the requests made of you. As previously stated, it is YOUR curtain call. I WANT to see you on your tiptoes doing your thing around the floor, and you don't even have to have an expensive plate. [sm=tired.gif]

EDITED to add: This IS NOT a reply to J. Branum as per the RCU software indicates. It was simply a fast reply on page 2.

[quote]ORIGINAL: Hossfly

[Now ET, you answer my post (#53) with again what YOU WANT!
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So just to be crystal clear on this one, even if the AMA had a disclaimer about breaking the safety code in writing that you acknowledge by renewing your memebership, they can still get sued even if the rules are broken? seems to me that if it is in writing and you accept this upon renewal, tehn they should not be held accountable. But I guess the lawyers that work for the AMA who went to law school and know more than me thought of this already and got kicked in the wang on that one. Damn the bad luck.



Fix that!! That is what I want.

Tim

With no more crazy rules or big brother breathing down our necks while we fly.

Tim

I am against Horrace, though. For a multitude of reasons.

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I'll ask you again: What are those reasons? Quit blowing smoke!

CR

Jim,

I kind of wish that you would quit entering into threads as an excuse to attack Horrace and call him names. Please stop the "I hate Horrace posts", please. They do you no credit and are not productive. Not only that you seem to be wasting a lot of emotional energy on them. C'mon mon, forget past animosities, load up an airplane and come up to the hills and fly with us.

Regards,

CR

Charley,
I suggest you look in the mirror.

I don't hate Horrace, but I am convinced that he would be horrible for the future of the AMA from any elected position.

Hey JB, are you feeling left out with ET getting all the attention? OK, I extend to you the same invitation: Lay your gripes / thoughts / whatever, right here on the table. Now let's explore:

YOU,JB, have stated within this forum that AMA's MA should be a profit center for AMA. That is one of my stated goals along with motivating the other model media to join AMA in promoting the hobby / sport.

YOU, JB, have stated that you want more and better communication from EC members. I have promised a Web site where all pertinent AMA business would be available to all members.

YOU, JB, want more interest in Flying Sites. I have promised to work to fill the free media and governmental agencies with awareness of our sport / hobby, recreation, whatever you prefer to call it, and assist all levels to better understand the needs, when Clubs petition for new flying sites or attempt to keep current ones. I used my own funds to make one site available for a large club. I work diligently for that club. How can I be against flying sites?

Now JB, tell me and all these fine open-minded people just where you and I really disagree and how I pose a threat to model aviation?

Hoss, what about my request I made about 4 or 5 posts ago? you wanted to know what we wanted...

Tim

Interspersed and in color!

I have been involved with more than one start up operation where the CEO is convinced he knows more than any about everything. Those all seem to crash and burn badly because of an unwillingness to listen to outside concepts. Read the last sentence of the previous response twice and consider that I am sure you are like those poor CEO's

Nothing personal, just my judgment and opinion with no consideration about your pleasure.

Reading this whole thread has answered the question for me of why so many guys are flying park fliers from private land and not enjoying AMA membership. It's so peacefull out here.

BTDT: Mr Holland's attorneys put me on notice during the last EVP campaign. Not one EC member had the guts to question or even acknowledge such except for DB who denied knowing about it.
Yep I have in my possession TWELVE 2004 issues dated Jan through Dec, with ONE "Special" issue. That makes 13 2004 issues and I find no record of the EC allowing that additional expense. Maybe the 12 + 1 being 13 is a bit tough for your math.
At this time I have not sponsored a Web. Therefore you are gravely mistaken! I have no intention of doing such myself. I will furnish the info. and the webmaster will take care of the technical end of it.
So I disagree with the great JB!. Yep, that must make me some kind of terrorist in the model aviation fraternity. [:-] I never said YOU said I was against flying sites but illustrated how I could not possibly be so. If you were a farmer, JB, you could easily see that my statement and manner is for the "national show" to be the tiller of the ground, the fertilizer, and the sowing of the seed. It is left to the Clubs to tend the crops. That gives THE LOCAL CLUBS a whole lot of LOCAL DECISION MAKING.
So JB, you were involved in more than one Start-Up. ALL the CEOs crashed and burned. Was that because they failed to listen to the all-knowing JB?? Why were YOU NOT appointed CEO to start?
Maybe the CEOs crashed and burned because you were so adamant to your own ends that you also failed there -- as here -- to see that both, the CEOs and YOU were going to the same place, and each road went to that place. Maybe JB you were so intent on blocking THEIR road that you never traveled ANY road to get to the objective point.
JB, your above attempt at discussion makes a good illustration of just where the real danger to model aviation dwells.

Well said Hoss. [8D]

Sounds like JB. needs some work on CRM (you know what I mean Hoss)