For some time here in this forum I have requested to be nominated for the position of Executive Vice President Academy of Model Aeronautics. Yet, no nominations have been submitted.
Getting a local bag full of nominations is easy. I will not do that. Here is where the gripes are. Here is where changes should originate. For those that gripe, you have a chance to make a statement.

AMA Web: Executive Council Nominations Due
Nominations for the office of Executive Vice President and Vice Presidents in Districts III, VII, and XI are due at the Headquarters of the Academy of Model Aeronautics June 8, 2005. Any AMA Open member may submit a nomination


I will make it easy for you. Simply copy this, paste it into your email and send it.

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Send to: [email protected]
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TO: Executive Council Nominating Committee, Academy of Model Aeronautics.

FROM: ____ (Your Name) ___________ AMA N0. (adult open class) ______________

SUBJECT: Nomination for Executive Vice President

Please be advised that I, the above adult AMA member, do hereby nominate Horrace D. Cain, AMA L-93, New Caney, TX, 77357, to the office of Executive Vice President, Academy of Model Aeronautics.

Thank You

Sincerely

___(your name)_______

Address_______________

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It's really very easy. If you wish to send a copy to me, that's fine, if not that's OK too.

Many have posted here all kinds of stuff back from when I was a D-VI DVP. They NEVER POSTED this one -- MA, MAY, '82 bottom picture.

I sent it in.....Im sorry for not getting it in sooner like I told you. My apologies. I figure since more then half the people in here just talk the walk and dont walk the talk Id send in your nomination. Cheers to who ever else did. I figure its always good to get someone new in charge even if you dont agree with all of the time. Good luck Hoss!

Hello Mr. Hossfly,
I'm joey_d1119's friend. We met recently in class. He totally got me interested in this flying stuff. Since his posts are waiting approval Im letting you know he nominated you. I know he gets loud sometimes but he is a damn good guy.
Seth

Hoss
It gets to be a loosing battle when the club and the AMA are more or less run buy the same people that tell you what you can and what you can't do. The image has to change and so do the people in order to get support. When will a person realize that what they do in the hobby reflects on all RC. If you hurt one member unjustly you hurt them all[:@] There is no reason to be afraid of the AMA we are the AMA and we make them what the are[&o] and I hope we can change what we don't like.
If a personis qualified to get a nomination he will get one if not [&o]

How bout self nomination? It seems like so many of us here, that in the end, we have a unique perspective anyway. Over the years I have watched many expound on issues here and have yet to find anyone that is on the same page. When it comes to viewpoints and acceptance I think less is more…err… well in this case anyway!

then again maybe nobody wants you in office.

Isn't the saying "Fish or CUT bait" ?

Or are you mixing a different metaphor?

Best wishes,
Dave Olson

Mr. Olsen, seems you broke the code. In this case if the membership doesn't get a majority of new EC members in office, guys like Mathewson and Stillman, then the membership will have no one to blame if they smell like "bait'.
You see, I am not afraid to change what has always been. [>:]

You know, Horrace, I once found your posts quite interesting. At times, your posts were well thought out. And even if I didn't always agree with you I had respect for your passion about RC and the AMA.

But, your recent knee-jerk reaction and post in the [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/AMA_members_set_plane_on_fire_risking_injury/m_3012173/tm.htm]burning plane thread[/link] have apparently shown your true colors.

I think it was this part that scared me a bit:
You're talking "banishment!" and "punishment" for an incident you know nothing about? You glibly swallow the erroneous and inaccurate claims from one anonymous person and conclude that the AMA should be banishing and punishing people? You even think the AMA should HAVE the power to "punish" people?

Yeah, it looks like you do. And apparently you'd like to be the one with the big stick to do it.

The last place I want to see you is on the EC.

Don't think I'd nominate you for Dog-Catcher either.

Wow...banish...hmm....I dont think he was serious. Were you hossfly?

Actually I have had a fairly long conversation with an eye-witness that was there, just some 30 feet behind the pilot. There was even more to it than reported here.

At any time people get so carried away that they throw caution to the wind, then they chance creating even more restrictions that I have to deal with as I safely pursue my involvement in the activity. AMA Bylaws Article V Section 3 provides for the AMA to issue expulsion or other disciplinary actions. Even my Club has such a provision in its Constitution.

So, Zombie, you just let your dogs run free, however not by me if you wish to keep them. In the long run, you're losing much more than I.

I'm losing nothing. I don't need you or AMA to fly.

And your point is???

That is also vice versa when one gets right down to the finer details. The AMA can well exist without either you or me. Either of us can exist without any need of each other. So what is the point?

I have many things that I don't NEED. I would wager that YOU also have many things that YOU don't need.
Still I rather HAVE them than NOT have them. Somewhere I picked up on an old expression: "It is better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it." Works for me and obviously for a lot of others as they are so many out there trying to figure out how to get more of mine. [:-] Even in RC -- I go to the field with all sorts of tools, plugs, props, etc. and there always seems to be someone there that needs something. If I have it, I will always "loan" it except for my AMA card and truck keys.

ZOMBIE< do you think that there aren't ANY acts that an RC flyer can be responsible for that don't deserve punishment or banishment?

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Combatpigg, I believe there is a double standard on that one, some show flyers shoot rockets off of their planes at fly ins. If there is a waiver to apply for to break some of the rules, I would like to know. I am not poking, asking a serious question.

Tim

Well TIM, without going too far into hypotheticals, I mean the kind of wrong being done that was brought to court and the guy in question was found guilty of. The AMA shouldn't play judge and jury based on here say, but if there is solid evidence that someone has already done some harm due to proven reckless endangerment, then by all means get the guy off our group policy.

As far as breaking the rules with permission goes, yes, they apply for special permission. The BYRON model company used to put on a big reenactment of PEARL HARBOR, complete with 1/6th scale planes that were wired with explosives to make it look like they were getting shot down. I guess it was quite the show![X(]!!

Tim:

Not meaning to interrupt, however I will:

AMA Web: >>>>"An AMA Air Show Team is an organized group of AMA members that is dedicated to building new aircraft, creating new acts, practicing and presenting the world of model aviation to the public through an entertaining and informative performance.

The Air Show Team Program is administered through the Academy of Model Aeronautics Headquarters. Air Show Teams are expected to follow written guidelines and regulations to qualify for existing benefits. If you would like more information about the program and how to form a team, contact Erin Dobbs, AMA Headquarters, 5161 East Memorial Drive, Muncie IN 47302 or by phone at (765) 287-1256, ext. 272."
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AMA Safety Code:
>>>" 8. I will not operate model aircraft carrying pyrotechnic devices which explode, burn, or propel a projectile of any kind. //SNIP//
Officially designated AMA Air Show Teams (AST) are authorized to use devices and practices as defined within the Air Show Advisory Committee Document."
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AMA Air Show teams do have some special dispensation. While I am not overly aware of any written word, I do believe that if any group presented a decent game plan showing reasonable precautions, and due considerations, AMA would very likely endorse any special operation.

My Club was very involved in WarBird Racing much like the SWRA. Our field layout does not provide for the space under the safety distances currently specified.
The Club prepared a Cautionary Plan, presented it in a text and graphical format, and received a waiver for all our races.

Sometimes ya' jus' gotta' ask!

proud pro-bro

Horace,you're the guy that almost every club has, that everybody wishes would just stay hame. I'll bet you're the safest flyer in your club, cause your planes never leave the ground. You probably just go so you can tell everyone that they are doing it all wrong, and probably violating some imaginary safety rule, start an argument or three, and go home. Bet you save a fortune on glow fuel. I have an AMA card , but got by for many years without one, and with the current state of the leadership, by which I mean Dave Brown, I may not renew. But even Dave Brown is more open-minded than you. I hereby nominate you to be the guy who cleans the porta-potties once a week. It is a position befitting a man of your caliber.

Thank you both for answering my question. As far as the current status of the AMA goes, I feel that the AMA should not be the judge of who gets a card or not. Maybe I am missing something here, but if somebody breaks the AMA and club rules and somebody gets hurt, then the AMA and club should be absolved of all financial obligations whatsoever cause somebody broke the rules. If I was being stupid with my plane and hit somebody, I would not expect the AMA to foot teh bill for my stupidity. Now if it was a genuine accident, no foul play involved, then the AMA should pay. Thats what theyre there for, not to get sued and forced to pay for some jabroney that hit somebody while breaking the AMA and/or club rules.

On the other side of that, there are folks that do frequent the field on weekends and complain about what you are doing, even if you are not breaking any of the AMA/club rules. No, I am not accusing anybody in this thread about it, just making an observation. That reason right there is why I dislike flying at a club on the weekend. Lucky for me, I work nights and I pass my flying field on the way to and from work. Stop on the way home in the morning, get in a few flights, be home in bed by 10AM while everybody is at work.

Tim

Well that is a reasonable way of thinking, Tim. But it does not appear to be that way in real life. AMA would get sued in almost any case, and would likely pay, even if the Safety Code has been violated. Does not matter when or where, AMA sanction or not. That is a little detail that many do not want to think about or acknowledge, it seems.

And they want to deflect the discussion to something else, like jets or hovering gianst scale or whatever.

So because a jet might fly 201 mph one day, or someone forgets to put their name and AMA number in their plane (that is in the Safety Code too!) then that somehow makes it OK to jeopardize the AMA insurance policy by lighting planes on fire and flying them around???

Combatpig:: The show in Ida Grove, Iowa at Byrons was the most spectacular RC show I've ever seen. Tons of explossions, lots of burning stuff. Planes going down. It was tons of fun to watch. Wish it was still going.........

MR Matt,

So just to be crystal clear on this one, even if the AMA had a disclaimer about breaking the safety code in writing that you acknowledge by renewing your memebership, they can still get sued even if the rules are broken? seems to me that if it is in writing and you accept this upon renewal, tehn they should not be held accountable. But I guess the lawyers that work for the AMA who went to law school and know more than me thought of this already and got kicked in the wang on that one. Damn the bad luck.

Tim

Deafening silence is a statement in it's own right.