Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
06-01-2006 | 08:03 AM
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Nope. I don't care if they built it or not. They are modellers.
Do they get the same satisfaction doing their first loop with a Parkzone J-3 as me when I am strip planking a 1957 Berkeley T-33 ducted fan model? Very possibly.
They all are modellers, all are welcome.
Do they get the same satisfaction doing their first loop with a Parkzone J-3 as me when I am strip planking a 1957 Berkeley T-33 ducted fan model? Very possibly.
They all are modellers, all are welcome.
06-01-2006 | 09:42 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
In ptulmer's defense, I believe he is trying to make a distinction between a "modeler" and someone who is just playing with a toy. A person who tosses a Toys-R-Us AirHog into the sky certainly has POTENTIAL to be a modeler, and will always be welcomed. But, the guy has to develop some enthusiasm for the hobby to be classified as a "modeler." The easiest sign is: "did he build it?" But, there are other signs:
- Has he/she purchased a more advanced aircraft and started to learn aerobatics?
- Has he/she started collecting multiple aircraft? (A SURE sign amongst all of us
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- Has he/she seeked out other modelers to talk about aircraft and see other models?
There are varying levels of being a modeler, and I'm sure there will always be disagreements on what level of effort is considered "modeling." However, my take is that any flying is potential and worth approaching the guy. If they show no interest in progressing beyond flying circles with a $30 "toy," then I think it's reasonable to say that he is NOT a modeler.
A modeler always wants to do more, wether it be building or maneuvers.
- Has he/she purchased a more advanced aircraft and started to learn aerobatics?
- Has he/she started collecting multiple aircraft? (A SURE sign amongst all of us
)- Has he/she seeked out other modelers to talk about aircraft and see other models?
There are varying levels of being a modeler, and I'm sure there will always be disagreements on what level of effort is considered "modeling." However, my take is that any flying is potential and worth approaching the guy. If they show no interest in progressing beyond flying circles with a $30 "toy," then I think it's reasonable to say that he is NOT a modeler.
A modeler always wants to do more, wether it be building or maneuvers.
06-01-2006 | 11:02 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
ET, just so you know, here's the definition of modeller. I know you won't admit it, cause it would mean I'm right. Again.
modeller
n : a person who creates models
Does charging a battery fit that definition? BTW, anybody is welcome at our club. Even Aero Aces.
modeller
n : a person who creates models
Does charging a battery fit that definition? BTW, anybody is welcome at our club. Even Aero Aces.
06-01-2006 | 11:20 AM
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ET, just so you know, here's the definition of modeller. I know you won't admit it, cause it would mean I'm right. Again.
A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
Here is THE OTHER definition found in Websters Dictionary that you forgot to post.
Modeler \Mod"el*er\, n. One who models; hence, a worker in plastic art. [Written also modeller.]
I for one am all for kits and scratch building, but you can't count out the other group who contribute just as much by just flying.
06-01-2006 | 11:43 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Well, now you guys know what a New York Lib does when he runs out of real arguments. He resorts to name calling. Good work guys! Keep proving me the better man.
STL, I don't see where that changes anything. Plastic in this case is talking about the malleability of the substance used to model and the definition does not apply here. Not foam and plastic like the RTF's are made of. Here's an excerpt from another definition to help you.
plas·tic
adj.
1. Capable of being shaped or formed: plastic material such as clay. See Synonyms at malleable.
2. Relating to or dealing with shaping or modeling: the plastic art of sculpture.
BTW, thanks for proving me right. Again.
STL, I don't see where that changes anything. Plastic in this case is talking about the malleability of the substance used to model and the definition does not apply here. Not foam and plastic like the RTF's are made of. Here's an excerpt from another definition to help you.
plas·tic
adj.
1. Capable of being shaped or formed: plastic material such as clay. See Synonyms at malleable.
2. Relating to or dealing with shaping or modeling: the plastic art of sculpture.
BTW, thanks for proving me right. Again.
06-01-2006 | 11:47 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Maybe it only shows on my screen, but above my edit box I see the message:
Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post.
It's okay to disagree or counter-point, but I think a certain someone should edit their first sentance.
[edit: didn't post fast enough, I'm not referring to the post directly above mine.]
Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post.
It's okay to disagree or counter-point, but I think a certain someone should edit their first sentance.
[edit: didn't post fast enough, I'm not referring to the post directly above mine.]
06-01-2006 | 11:50 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
ORIGINAL: macr0t0r
Maybe it only shows on my screen, but above my edit box I see the message:
Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post.
It's okay to disagree or counter-point, but I think your first sentance could stand some editing.
Maybe it only shows on my screen, but above my edit box I see the message:
Please resist the urge to curse, flame, degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post.
It's okay to disagree or counter-point, but I think your first sentance could stand some editing.
I'm not changing anything, if the mods want to change it they can do it. Bubba is always watching ... isn't he?
06-01-2006 | 11:52 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
well it's funny this is so heated
definition of toy
Something used for play by children, adults and animals
that pretty much covers hobbies I'd say
definition of toy
Something used for play by children, adults and animals
that pretty much covers hobbies I'd say
06-01-2006 | 11:53 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Jim, I'd love to talk about the small ones sometime. We have some electric builders that post in the 1/2a forum. Our birds are about the same size and everybody loves to see craftsmanship. You have an official invitation to visit.
This thread has run its course and I'm removing my subscription. ET, I've reported your vulgar sexual analogy. I like nothing more than to see you banned from RCU like you were from RC Groups. Both of you have resorted to calling me names and I've proved you wrong on all counts. You may now talk amongst yourselves.
This thread has run its course and I'm removing my subscription. ET, I've reported your vulgar sexual analogy. I like nothing more than to see you banned from RCU like you were from RC Groups. Both of you have resorted to calling me names and I've proved you wrong on all counts. You may now talk amongst yourselves.
06-01-2006 | 12:04 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
There are different levels of modelling. A train modeller doesn't necessarily build the train, but he does assemble the tracks and place the layouts and operate the train. A modeler can range from glueing sticks to just sliding sheets of Depron together and installing the radio. I think the guy is approaching modeler-hood when he at least has to set-up and adjust the radio system and powerplant, and shows some established flying skills. "Build" can be a very flexible term. Even a Park Foamie requires some skill for installing and adjusting the radio system, balancing, and setting up the motor.
The problem is the boxed, charge-n-fly, 2-channel RTF model. These are great introductions to modeling, but I think we are REALLY pushing the term "modeler" to its limits when a guy can buy the box, charge it, do a few circles in the air, and declare himself a modeler. I'm not saying he HAS to build a wood kit or become an EXPERT Pattern or 3D pilot, but he needs to show a little more effort and devoted time before being classed as a modeler. Otherwise, he's just playing with a toy.
Just because it flys doesn't make you any more of a modeler than if I "built" a model airplane by folding a piece of paper. I honestly don't know the threshold, but should eb a level of effort and enthusiasm for the hobby in order to be classed as a modeler, be it through building or improved flying skills.
06-01-2006 | 12:11 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
"Who said I was calling anyone names???"
You did, by using that word as the first word in your reply.
Pretty sad you had to stoop to that level.
Jon
You did, by using that word as the first word in your reply.
Pretty sad you had to stoop to that level.
Jon
06-01-2006 | 01:00 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
ORIGINAL: macr0t0r
There are different levels of modelling. A train modeller doesn't necessarily build the train, but he does assemble the tracks and place the layouts and operate the train. A modeler can range from glueing sticks to just sliding sheets of Depron together and installing the radio. I think the guy is approaching modeler-hood when he at least has to set-up and adjust the radio system and powerplant, and shows some established flying skills. "Build" can be a very flexible term. Even a Park Foamie requires some skill for installing and adjusting the radio system, balancing, and setting up the motor.
The problem is the boxed, charge-n-fly, 2-channel RTF model. These are great introductions to modeling, but I think we are REALLY pushing the term "modeler" to its limits when a guy can buy the box, charge it, do a few circles in the air, and declare himself a modeler. I'm not saying he HAS to build a wood kit or become an EXPERT Pattern or 3D pilot, but he needs to show a little more effort and devoted time before being classed as a modeler. Otherwise, he's just playing with a toy.
Just because it flys doesn't make you any more of a modeler than if I "built" a model airplane by folding a piece of paper. I honestly don't know the threshold, but should eb a level of effort and enthusiasm for the hobby in order to be classed as a modeler, be it through building or improved flying skills.
There are different levels of modelling. A train modeller doesn't necessarily build the train, but he does assemble the tracks and place the layouts and operate the train. A modeler can range from glueing sticks to just sliding sheets of Depron together and installing the radio. I think the guy is approaching modeler-hood when he at least has to set-up and adjust the radio system and powerplant, and shows some established flying skills. "Build" can be a very flexible term. Even a Park Foamie requires some skill for installing and adjusting the radio system, balancing, and setting up the motor.
The problem is the boxed, charge-n-fly, 2-channel RTF model. These are great introductions to modeling, but I think we are REALLY pushing the term "modeler" to its limits when a guy can buy the box, charge it, do a few circles in the air, and declare himself a modeler. I'm not saying he HAS to build a wood kit or become an EXPERT Pattern or 3D pilot, but he needs to show a little more effort and devoted time before being classed as a modeler. Otherwise, he's just playing with a toy.
Just because it flys doesn't make you any more of a modeler than if I "built" a model airplane by folding a piece of paper. I honestly don't know the threshold, but should eb a level of effort and enthusiasm for the hobby in order to be classed as a modeler, be it through building or improved flying skills.
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06-01-2006 | 05:18 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Oh trust me, I KNOW about the paper airplane sites. These guys are geniuses! My inkjet printer has never worked so hard.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
06-02-2006 | 12:58 PM
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Oh trust me, I KNOW about the paper airplane sites. These guys are geniuses! My inkjet printer has never worked so hard.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
Oh trust me, I KNOW about the paper airplane sites. These guys are geniuses! My inkjet printer has never worked so hard.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
06-02-2006 | 02:48 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
ORIGINAL: macr0t0r
Oh trust me, I KNOW about the paper airplane sites. These guys are geniuses! My inkjet printer has never worked so hard.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
Oh trust me, I KNOW about the paper airplane sites. These guys are geniuses! My inkjet printer has never worked so hard.
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net
06-02-2006 | 04:03 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
I try. I do have my arrogant downswings when my caffeine/blood level is too low, though.
It's the weekend! Time to hit the skies!
It's the weekend! Time to hit the skies!
06-02-2006 | 07:41 PM
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I totally agree with just about everything that you said. The main thing is to enjoy the hobby. But (big but) If all you do is fly BARF'S don't brag about them... It's like taking credit for someone elses work. Just fly them. If, on the other hand, you did actually build it, and it is the center (centre?) of attention, then bask in the warm glow of the adoration, It won't last long. There is always something just a little nicer, ar just a little bigger, or just a little faster on someone's building board. But, you will probably take a 3 year project to the park, and some rat faced punk will want to know where he can buy one like it. Stuff Happens [:'(]
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06-03-2006 | 02:31 PM
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Why does the AMA need PF'ers?????
Well, for starters, they provide a good chuckle every now and then. I was at our field this morning, and Was finished flying one of my Warbirds, and was in the process of breaking it down to go home and I hear this high-pitched geared electric motor going, "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee SPLAT", one of the guys had brought an e-flight aerobat of some kind (they are kinda hard to identify when they are re-kitted and already in the factory, ready made colorful trash bag. (I knew it was an e-flite, cause it said so on the plastic bag the wooden parts were in) All that he had to do was to deposit it in the club trash can. I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
Bill, AMA 4720
Well, for starters, they provide a good chuckle every now and then. I was at our field this morning, and Was finished flying one of my Warbirds, and was in the process of breaking it down to go home and I hear this high-pitched geared electric motor going, "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee SPLAT", one of the guys had brought an e-flight aerobat of some kind (they are kinda hard to identify when they are re-kitted and already in the factory, ready made colorful trash bag. (I knew it was an e-flite, cause it said so on the plastic bag the wooden parts were in) All that he had to do was to deposit it in the club trash can. I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
Bill, AMA 4720
06-03-2006 | 10:14 PM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Original Stickbuilder:
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
Bordering on elitism, but to each his own...
06-04-2006 | 01:03 AM
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RE: Why does the AMA need PF'ers?
Original Stickbuilder:
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
"Come get your planes looked down on, your crashes cheered, and insurance too, for just $58"
Do 1/2A planes get the same warm reception at that field? Do ya'll spit on the guys with .020/.010 Lil' Flyers?
06-04-2006 | 05:21 AM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Is that the sales pitch you use to get folks to join AMA?
"Come get your planes looked down on, your crashes cheered, and insurance too, for just $58"
Do 1/2A planes get the same warm reception at that field? Do ya'll spit on the guys with .020/.010 Lil' Flyers?
Original Stickbuilder:
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
"Come get your planes looked down on, your crashes cheered, and insurance too, for just $58"
Do 1/2A planes get the same warm reception at that field? Do ya'll spit on the guys with .020/.010 Lil' Flyers?
What if it had been in a public park, and there were bystanders watching, and this thing had hit one of them? That's why we have rules regarding where spectators are allowed, and where flight is allowed.
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06-04-2006 | 09:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
Bill, AMA 4720
I thought it was a fitting punishment for a club member to bring such a piece of S**t to the field.
Bill, AMA 4720
