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10-02-2006 | 08:49 PM
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From: saginaw,
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ama rule
there is a post in the crash section about club members purposly shooting down a trainer with airsoft pellet guns isnt this againt ama code
10-02-2006 | 09:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: timothy thompson
there is a post in the crash section about club members purposly shooting down a trainer with airsoft pellet guns isnt this againt ama code
there is a post in the crash section about club members purposly shooting down a trainer with airsoft pellet guns isnt this againt ama code
I don't recall shooting at models as against the code. There is something that disallows the aircraft from firing projectiles as an AMA member. If you’re not an AMA member you are FREE to fire off rockets from R/C planes if you wish.
You know Tim, no one is forcing you are anyone else to participate. If you find yourself in an environment that you feel is too dangerous simply leave but please refrain from yelling the sky is falling, the sky is falling.
Believe it or not there are people that think flying models are dangerous in of itself but as we all know people jump out of perfectly good flying airplanes all the time for the thrill. Sure it could be argued that they did not even need to get into the airplane much less jump out. Danger and risk is part of living…your war birds could be rubber powered to make them safer but………………………………………†¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.
Get over it!
10-02-2006 | 09:35 PM
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RE: ama rule
the AMA code?
Is that like the Code of the West?
What part of the code do you think it violates?
And what code are you talking about? The Safety Code?
Your talk of Code is Cryptic ....
I couldnt resist that one, sorry
Is that like the Code of the West?
What part of the code do you think it violates?
And what code are you talking about? The Safety Code?
Your talk of Code is Cryptic ....
I couldnt resist that one, sorry
10-02-2006 | 09:36 PM
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ORIGINAL: shag555
Hey tiny tim... give it up already.
Hey tiny tim... give it up already.
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10-02-2006 | 09:41 PM
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RE: ama rule
yes lets find out 100% im about 99 sure unless iots been changed now if thwese guys are not ama members they can do whatever.
still it is irresponsible
still it is irresponsible
10-02-2006 | 09:50 PM
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Tim-
Is this a problem with ---
Where the shooters were? Pilot Stations/ Spectator/ Runway?
Concern the plane would Out of Control out of the safe flying area?
Shooters might spill their beers?
General "non-standard" activity inherant danger?
What did you consider a violation?
Is this a problem with ---
Where the shooters were? Pilot Stations/ Spectator/ Runway?
Concern the plane would Out of Control out of the safe flying area?
Shooters might spill their beers?
General "non-standard" activity inherant danger?
What did you consider a violation?
10-02-2006 | 09:51 PM
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RE: ama rule
Even if they are AMA members, they can still do what they want, as long as they are not breaking any laws. As far as I know the only "punishment" for not following the AMA safety code is to jeopardize the AMA liability insurance coverage.
The 2006 safety code is posted on the AMA website.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/105.pdf
The 2006 safety code is posted on the AMA website.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/PDF-files/105.pdf
10-02-2006 | 10:01 PM
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I was informed of a party that was going to use a shotgun to shoot down a model.(Kwik Fly III) The model never was shot at, but this was going to happen at an AMA sanctioned field. Just food for the fire.
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10-02-2006 | 11:24 PM
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It is illegal to shoot down ANY aircraft, whether it's full-sized or R/C if you want to get technical and carries the same punishment. If you want to blow one out of the sky for kicks, then it's up to you. Take your planes over the the conservation club on the west side of town, they have a nice large field there where you could take yours down.
I highly doubt that an air-soft pellet gun would do much damage if you could even hit the plane.
I highly doubt that an air-soft pellet gun would do much damage if you could even hit the plane.
10-02-2006 | 11:38 PM
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Well, if skeet is considered an aircraft (it's a non-powered flying object anyway), and shooting down any aircraft whether R/C or free flight is illegal, than I guess that means skeet shootin' is an illegal sport. Yup, this looks like one of them grey areas, so maybe I better save that Browning Auto-5 for duck huntin'.
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10-03-2006 | 12:07 AM
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RE: ama rule
what rule are you talking about? I know you can't rig a model to shoot a projectile and you would loose your liability insurance if you did this at a sanctioned field. If you were say at a buddys ranch and started firing at your model there is nothing to stop you. A bunch of buddys get together once or twice a year at a ranch and shoot a couple trainers and or a couple eletric zagi wings out of the sky with shotguns and have been doing so for several years. I guess the adage is if it doesn't disturb the cows who cares but then again someone will belt out an old, that's irrresposible, remark. When done right and with some common sense it's not much diferant than shooting clays. just bigger, noiser and allot more fun to shoot at.
10-03-2006 | 12:28 AM
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RE: ama rule
Ron said:
It is illegal to shoot down ANY aircraft, whether it's full-sized or R/C if you want to get technical and carries the same punishment.
It is illegal to shoot down ANY aircraft, whether it's full-sized or R/C if you want to get technical and carries the same punishment.
What is that, a City Ordinance? Maybe a county or state law?
Could it be part of the CFRs, maybe Tital 14, a bit of 1.1 Definitions, Aircraft? And some other laws?
I'm probably wrong, so Ron, please let me know just what law that is?
Like a PC or CFR number so we can all see for ourselves.
Red Said:
When done right and with some common sense it's not much diferant than shooting clays. just bigger, noiser and allot more fun to shoot at.
When done right and with some common sense it's not much diferant than shooting clays. just bigger, noiser and allot more fun to shoot at.
Next thing you know, folks will say sittin on the porch shootin at the washer in the yard is irresponsible. Somehow, without even looking at the acreage, field of fire, and backstop coverage, they just envision their yard and get Big Brothery
10-03-2006 | 01:25 AM
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ORIGINAL: Ron Olson
It is illegal to shoot down ANY aircraft, whether it's full-sized or R/C if you want to get technical and carries the same punishment. If you want to blow one out of the sky for kicks, then it's up to you. Take your planes over the the conservation club on the west side of town, they have a nice large field there where you could take yours down.
I highly doubt that an air-soft pellet gun would do much damage if you could even hit the plane.
It is illegal to shoot down ANY aircraft, whether it's full-sized or R/C if you want to get technical and carries the same punishment. If you want to blow one out of the sky for kicks, then it's up to you. Take your planes over the the conservation club on the west side of town, they have a nice large field there where you could take yours down.
I highly doubt that an air-soft pellet gun would do much damage if you could even hit the plane.
10-03-2006 | 01:58 AM
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irresponsible or not... legal or not... violation of rules or not...
It doesn't matter to me.
If some piece fo crap takes a shot at my plane, unproked, then yes, I will break his fingers and knock him into next Tuesday. It's more a law of decency. If someone was to shoot at my car, parked in teh driveway, or shoot at my lawnmower, it doesn't matter. I would deffinitely make the rest of his existance a painful one. Stupid is as stupid does, and let me tell you, if you plan to act stupid, you better have a high tolerance for pain, because I would bring it.
what a bunch of mindless idiots... destroying other people's property is so ghetto. Let's get a life, here. Buy your own crap to destroy, don't touch mine. Same goes with missiles fired from your plane. If you do it, fine, but if that "missile lands on the hood of my car, you are gonna get the riot act read to you.
It doesn't matter to me.
If some piece fo crap takes a shot at my plane, unproked, then yes, I will break his fingers and knock him into next Tuesday. It's more a law of decency. If someone was to shoot at my car, parked in teh driveway, or shoot at my lawnmower, it doesn't matter. I would deffinitely make the rest of his existance a painful one. Stupid is as stupid does, and let me tell you, if you plan to act stupid, you better have a high tolerance for pain, because I would bring it.
what a bunch of mindless idiots... destroying other people's property is so ghetto. Let's get a life, here. Buy your own crap to destroy, don't touch mine. Same goes with missiles fired from your plane. If you do it, fine, but if that "missile lands on the hood of my car, you are gonna get the riot act read to you.
10-03-2006 | 02:45 AM
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what a bunch of mindless idiots... destroying other people's property is so ghetto.
I'll be using this one a lot from now on. I think you'll get the point.
10-03-2006 | 02:53 AM
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I think you misunderstood. The idea was for a planned event to take a raggedy old trainer and intentionally shoot at it with a paintball gun or airsoft gun. Not shooting at the models of unwilling participants. This could be a huge money maker for a club if it turns out AMA would allow it at a club funtion. Obviously safety would have to be top priority ensuring the outline given to us by AMA is followed. ie. Not flying within 25 ft of another person other than the pilot and his/her assistant. I am also sure the target aircraft would be the only plane in the air during the event. Hell I have a gutted Nexstar that has so much CA and Epoxy in it it cant fly straight. It would be worthless to a beginner as it is now harder to fly than a most sport flyers.
10-03-2006 | 03:31 AM
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This could be a huge money maker for a club if it turns out AMA would allow it at a club funtion.
Think ... what happens when you shoot the planes wing or elevator off and it flies into the crowd? You ever been hit with a paintball round? Do you think it's possible? Same goes with airsoft gun, you are trying to disable the functions of that airplane. Does this still sound like a great money maker idear to you? Do you really think for a second the AMA is going to cover this, this wasn't a joke?
Let's also hope you have a good pilot on the sticks and doesn't steer the plane towards the pits or crowd, that could turn out to be interesting. A guy with a gun and a guy with an RC plane ... what a hoot.
As far as the AMA goes read rule number 3 of the code, that's the don't do dumb stuff rule. Of course the AMA is not a rulemaker only a decision suggester. While you most likely won't see a dime if you hurt someone, you could also lose your club charter. I think something like you saying is more well suited for a field, somewhere out in the sticks, not an AMA chartered club. Remember, AMA members are all in the same boat and if you do something dumb, it effects all the members.
10-03-2006 | 05:06 AM
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot
A HUGE money maker, HUGE! Until of course the plane gets knocked down on the first hit. How much you charging per shot by the way? $50? You guys should leave these kinds of huge money maker idears left alone for guys who wear camouflage clothes for a living. If you want to go play paintball, then go play paintball. If you want to shoot at object then go shoot off some clay pigeons, you know something designed to ttavel away from a crowd of people.
Think ... what happens when you shoot the planes wing or elevator off and it flies into the crowd? You ever been hit with a paintball round? Do you think it's possible? Same goes with airsoft gun, you are trying to disable the functions of that airplane. Does this still sound like a great money maker idear to you? Do you really think for a second the AMA is going to cover this, this wasn't a joke?
Let's also hope you have a good pilot on the sticks and doesn't steer the plane towards the pits or crowd, that could turn out to be interesting. A guy with a gun and a guy with an RC plane ... what a hoot.
As far as the AMA goes read rule number 3 of the code, that's the don't do dumb stuff rule. Of course the AMA is not a rulemaker only a decision suggester. While you most likely won't see a dime if you hurt someone, you could also lose your club charter. I think something like you saying is more well suited for a field, somewhere out in the sticks, not an AMA chartered club. Remember, AMA members are all in the same boat and if you do something dumb, it effects all the members.
This could be a huge money maker for a club if it turns out AMA would allow it at a club funtion.
Think ... what happens when you shoot the planes wing or elevator off and it flies into the crowd? You ever been hit with a paintball round? Do you think it's possible? Same goes with airsoft gun, you are trying to disable the functions of that airplane. Does this still sound like a great money maker idear to you? Do you really think for a second the AMA is going to cover this, this wasn't a joke?
Let's also hope you have a good pilot on the sticks and doesn't steer the plane towards the pits or crowd, that could turn out to be interesting. A guy with a gun and a guy with an RC plane ... what a hoot.
As far as the AMA goes read rule number 3 of the code, that's the don't do dumb stuff rule. Of course the AMA is not a rulemaker only a decision suggester. While you most likely won't see a dime if you hurt someone, you could also lose your club charter. I think something like you saying is more well suited for a field, somewhere out in the sticks, not an AMA chartered club. Remember, AMA members are all in the same boat and if you do something dumb, it effects all the members.
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10-03-2006 | 05:36 AM
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You make some very good points that would definately have to be thought through or scrap the whole idea. Oh and by the way... I do wear camouflage for a living for the last 14 years.
