AMA is a real value!!
11-05-2006 | 09:53 AM
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ORIGINAL: rcmiket
"If your talking about the AMA financially helping a local club acquire a flying site, I would be totally against this as I feel this would be a misappropriation of funds."
Ok Mode one how do you feel about them spending our funds on the Muncie site?
"If your talking about the AMA financially helping a local club acquire a flying site, I would be totally against this as I feel this would be a misappropriation of funds."
Ok Mode one how do you feel about them spending our funds on the Muncie site?
11-05-2006 | 10:17 AM
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ORIGINAL: rcmiket
"Does anyone remember the Sport Flyer's of America (I think that was the name) of a few years back. Tried to form a National organization to give an option to the AMA. Didn't happen for a number of reasons."
Yes they were in fact around for several years, then due to some unfortunate legal issues and the death of the founder they went buy the wayside. I was a member till the demise of SF. They were your Primary insurance.
"Does anyone remember the Sport Flyer's of America (I think that was the name) of a few years back. Tried to form a National organization to give an option to the AMA. Didn't happen for a number of reasons."
Yes they were in fact around for several years, then due to some unfortunate legal issues and the death of the founder they went buy the wayside. I was a member till the demise of SF. They were your Primary insurance.
Sport Flyers of America Coverage Summary
(Liability Coverage)
• This policy is “in excess†of any other applicable coverage. (This means that coverage is primary only when no other insurance is available.)
Which is essentially the same as AMA insurance.
11-05-2006 | 10:27 AM
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quote]In every Model Aviation issue there is a column entitled !QUOT!Flying Site Assistance!QUOT! There are Eastern (Joe Bashar) and Western Wes La Cou) heads of this department. These people are there to lend assistance in any way they can. Some of our AMA districts also have AVPs who are there to help the local clubs acquire and keep flying sites. If your talking about the AMA financially helping a local club acquire a flying site, I would be totally against this as I feel this would be a misappropriation of funds.[/quote]
I know I'm an idiot and after 14 yrs have no idea what the AMA offers
As usual these thread go now where
SBRCM club has been dealing with this for 8 yrs now. They do currently have a field. 50 miles out of town, can fly 4 hour 3 days a week and are alway on thin ice with the land owner. AMA happily send us forms to apply for other sites but it is totally dependent on the club to acquire and hold a flying field
Valley fliers of Santa Maria have been dealing with it for 6 yrs. Last site On Santa Maria airport was shut down when a heli hangar was put in within a half mile. Currently flying off a ranch road 90 to the wind and again a shaky deal with a land owner. We have been dealing with the city and AMA trying to acquire a site to no avail. Last three have come close but have fallen through. We have one current hopeful we might get in a year. This is 100% from the clubs effort. The AMA again gladly take and receives forms. We can't even get access to the 4 super-fund sites in the area.
Lompoc club had since fallen apart since the EPA shut down our site in 98. Was shut down during the el nino when a small pond developed and at that was considered a wet land. AS mention before we have a verbal agreement with airport personnel and because of the deal our AMA insureance is no good.
There is VAFB wingbusters but you need base access and in the post 9/11 world that's a PITA. It takes 5 phone calls 3 days ahead of time to possibly get escorted by another club member to the site.
So I have my choice. 60 miles one way or 45 the other or take my chances 2 mile away and hope nothing happens. the feild might be there next month.
I know I'm an idiot and after 14 yrs have no idea what the AMA offers
As usual these thread go now where
SBRCM club has been dealing with this for 8 yrs now. They do currently have a field. 50 miles out of town, can fly 4 hour 3 days a week and are alway on thin ice with the land owner. AMA happily send us forms to apply for other sites but it is totally dependent on the club to acquire and hold a flying field
Valley fliers of Santa Maria have been dealing with it for 6 yrs. Last site On Santa Maria airport was shut down when a heli hangar was put in within a half mile. Currently flying off a ranch road 90 to the wind and again a shaky deal with a land owner. We have been dealing with the city and AMA trying to acquire a site to no avail. Last three have come close but have fallen through. We have one current hopeful we might get in a year. This is 100% from the clubs effort. The AMA again gladly take and receives forms. We can't even get access to the 4 super-fund sites in the area.
Lompoc club had since fallen apart since the EPA shut down our site in 98. Was shut down during the el nino when a small pond developed and at that was considered a wet land. AS mention before we have a verbal agreement with airport personnel and because of the deal our AMA insureance is no good.
There is VAFB wingbusters but you need base access and in the post 9/11 world that's a PITA. It takes 5 phone calls 3 days ahead of time to possibly get escorted by another club member to the site.
So I have my choice. 60 miles one way or 45 the other or take my chances 2 mile away and hope nothing happens. the feild might be there next month.
11-05-2006 | 11:30 AM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
Was a claim actually filed with the AMA, or were you just relying on some BS another told you about not bothering since the AMA would not pay such a claim. If a claim was filed please give us a reference number or something that can be checked. We understand full well that people in your circle are under no obligation to substantiate anything they throw at the AMA. We also understand that your post is just so much flatulence in the wind otherwise.
ORIGINAL: redfox435cat
I challenge you to produce ONE such case with verifiable facts.
that would require naming names and I'm not under any of your obligations to do that.
June of 96' After a fun fly event at VAFB. Model(Gp superspot 40) doing a low high speed inverted pass. We were trying to drag our rudder on the ground I was flying my tower uproar. A by standard, not an AMA member runs onto the runway at the far end after hoping the fence unannounced and is struck my the model, Luckly only cuased a broken arm. AMA rep concidered the flying irresposible and in violation of AMA rules and denided the claim. This was of course from the atament of the guy that got hit and his wife. The pilot was yellling out his intestions and had complete control of the model, we both were, I had just done the same with the mine a few seconds earlier. He was hung out to dry. No home owners insurance, doesn't own a house and was just a grunt mechanic so no real benifits from work. Ended up filing bankrupsy.
Feb of 98' Lompoc feild 1/4 scale pitts losses all control and hit a chevy truck in the parking lot doing sever damage to the vehical and destroying the models in the bed. Traced interferance to a local tower, this is why our local feild had blacked out channels 39-41. Luckly I was parked on the other side of the feild. The vehical was covered by the auto insurance but the 2 grand in models no one would claim resposiblitly. The AMA wouldn't think of paying the guys additinal insurance premiums. The pilot payed that out of his pocket, he was that kinda of guy.
Last August at roague feild Lompoc airport, it's all we got now. Fun fly 40 out of control due to dumb thumbs bounces 100 degrees off a near by light pole and bounces off another pilots car. I was just showing up as it happended and almost hit my truck AMA of course denises the claim since there was no writen permission from the land owner, just a verbal agreement from the airport commisioner, all partys were AMA members. Feild set up exceed all AMA requiments but none of it matters.
Same feild, same two guys. While test taxing a hog bipe it goes out of control and slames into other pilots truck at full throttle. Denied for the same reasons. Now the guy just flies electrics.
This stuff can happen to anyone at any time your at the feild. and as usualy the AMA takes your guys veiw. Show me proof and what did you do wrong. Sorry I didn't take the Barr exam. If the loop hole existes they will use it.
I challenge you to produce ONE such case with verifiable facts.
that would require naming names and I'm not under any of your obligations to do that.
June of 96' After a fun fly event at VAFB. Model(Gp superspot 40) doing a low high speed inverted pass. We were trying to drag our rudder on the ground I was flying my tower uproar. A by standard, not an AMA member runs onto the runway at the far end after hoping the fence unannounced and is struck my the model, Luckly only cuased a broken arm. AMA rep concidered the flying irresposible and in violation of AMA rules and denided the claim. This was of course from the atament of the guy that got hit and his wife. The pilot was yellling out his intestions and had complete control of the model, we both were, I had just done the same with the mine a few seconds earlier. He was hung out to dry. No home owners insurance, doesn't own a house and was just a grunt mechanic so no real benifits from work. Ended up filing bankrupsy.
Feb of 98' Lompoc feild 1/4 scale pitts losses all control and hit a chevy truck in the parking lot doing sever damage to the vehical and destroying the models in the bed. Traced interferance to a local tower, this is why our local feild had blacked out channels 39-41. Luckly I was parked on the other side of the feild. The vehical was covered by the auto insurance but the 2 grand in models no one would claim resposiblitly. The AMA wouldn't think of paying the guys additinal insurance premiums. The pilot payed that out of his pocket, he was that kinda of guy.
Last August at roague feild Lompoc airport, it's all we got now. Fun fly 40 out of control due to dumb thumbs bounces 100 degrees off a near by light pole and bounces off another pilots car. I was just showing up as it happended and almost hit my truck AMA of course denises the claim since there was no writen permission from the land owner, just a verbal agreement from the airport commisioner, all partys were AMA members. Feild set up exceed all AMA requiments but none of it matters.
Same feild, same two guys. While test taxing a hog bipe it goes out of control and slames into other pilots truck at full throttle. Denied for the same reasons. Now the guy just flies electrics.
This stuff can happen to anyone at any time your at the feild. and as usualy the AMA takes your guys veiw. Show me proof and what did you do wrong. Sorry I didn't take the Barr exam. If the loop hole existes they will use it.
11-05-2006 | 11:38 AM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
Orig ModeOne:
If what you are saying is the truth about the type of flying taking place, how can you wonder about the AMA's refusal to accept this claim?!?!
Orig Redfox:
doing a low high speed inverted pass. We were trying to drag our rudder on the ground I was flying my tower uproar.
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AMA rep concidered the flying irresposible and in violation of AMA rules and denided the claim.
doing a low high speed inverted pass. We were trying to drag our rudder on the ground I was flying my tower uproar.
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AMA rep concidered the flying irresposible and in violation of AMA rules and denided the claim.
If what you are saying is the truth about the type of flying taking place, how can you wonder about the AMA's refusal to accept this claim?!?!
To say there is no need to list every little thing that is forbidden, only invites repeating history... clearly not having the Secret Rule written did allow someone to try it, and now that we see folks will try it, why hasnt the Secret Rule been published- either in the SC or in MA (what do we pay $18 for a fed req mailing of Important Club Info for, if it doesnt get these SecretRules out to us?)
Here is a value, have $18 taken for a direct AMA info source that doesnt get the secret Inverted Tail Touch clause nor the Alledged PaintBall Ban out to the members..... but we can see plenty of ads in it
11-05-2006 | 11:57 AM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
ORIGINAL: redfox435cat
I know I'm an idiot and after 14 yrs have no idea what the AMA offers
As usual these thread go now where
I know I'm an idiot and after 14 yrs have no idea what the AMA offers
As usual these thread go now where
11-05-2006 | 12:05 PM
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ORIGINAL: rcmiket
Since I don't have the document in my hand I'll take your word for it. The fact still remains it would be nice to have a option.
Since I don't have the document in my hand I'll take your word for it. The fact still remains it would be nice to have a option.
11-05-2006 | 12:25 PM
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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Talk about a hard market to break into[
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11-05-2006 | 12:35 PM
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by Red S:
But they are not real modelers, just toy airplane flyers. Most are in and out in a few years, lack the basic skills that real modlers have aquired up over time from sharing ideas and experiences, lots of times with Model Aviation Magazine as the medium. They seem to share one attribute and that is the lack of intelect to understand what the AMA really stands for.
But they are not real modelers, just toy airplane flyers. Most are in and out in a few years, lack the basic skills that real modlers have aquired up over time from sharing ideas and experiences, lots of times with Model Aviation Magazine as the medium. They seem to share one attribute and that is the lack of intelect to understand what the AMA really stands for.
( lack the basic skills that real modlers / lack of intelect to understand ) was degrade, insult or embarrass someone in your post.
lets leave the insults out of this, no need to stereotype folks that dont like AMA as not real modelers, cause us 3view Design&Scratch folks dont like a club full of ARF'ers saying that
11-05-2006 | 12:41 PM
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Without trying to argue the "facts" that were presented by redfox, all I can say is that I have never heard of AMA outright refusing coverage with one exception. That was the guy who ran into the Goodyear blimp on purpose.
For all other claims there is an established process and it is NOT up to one "AMA rep" to make the determination. Once a claim is filed it is reviewed, investigated and usually ends up with lawyers before it is all said and done. But the inference in the post is that the member called the AMA and some nameless "rep" denied coverage. It is just not that simple.
I have personal knowledge of more than a couple cases and I am presently involved in a court case involving an injury. I have spoken with lawyers hired by the AMA to represent members and I know that AMA simply does not deny claims out of hand.
For all other claims there is an established process and it is NOT up to one "AMA rep" to make the determination. Once a claim is filed it is reviewed, investigated and usually ends up with lawyers before it is all said and done. But the inference in the post is that the member called the AMA and some nameless "rep" denied coverage. It is just not that simple.
I have personal knowledge of more than a couple cases and I am presently involved in a court case involving an injury. I have spoken with lawyers hired by the AMA to represent members and I know that AMA simply does not deny claims out of hand.
11-05-2006 | 12:49 PM
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For all other claims there is an established process and it is NOT up to one "AMA rep" to make the determination.
one AMA rep is making both telephone allowances & email 'does not condone' without any published findings in a year&half
11-05-2006 | 12:55 PM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
Before this goes the direction it appears headed, I want to say it is not my job to decide what is or is not a safe act with an R/C airplane. This is for the AMA, the individual clubs and the individual members of those clubs to decide. So, you guys who want to shoot paint balls at them, touch any part of the airplane to the ground in highspeed-low-flybys, fly at each other in attempts to have head-on collisions or any other act you wish, simply go ahead and have-at-r.
I guess if I go to my (or any other) club and see stuff I am uncomfortable with I will leave. If the stuff I am uncomfortable with continues at the club I belong to, I will find another club which doesn't condone it, to be a member of.
These are MY individual choices: 1). I want to safely enjoy this hobby. 2). I will respect other peoples property. 3). I don't want to pay higher AMA dues simply because other people choose to be reckless with their equipment!
I guess if I go to my (or any other) club and see stuff I am uncomfortable with I will leave. If the stuff I am uncomfortable with continues at the club I belong to, I will find another club which doesn't condone it, to be a member of.
These are MY individual choices: 1). I want to safely enjoy this hobby. 2). I will respect other peoples property. 3). I don't want to pay higher AMA dues simply because other people choose to be reckless with their equipment!
11-05-2006 | 01:03 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
odd, that seems to be the MO in the PaintBall controversy....
one AMA rep is making both telephone allowances & email 'does not condone' without any published findings in a year&half
For all other claims there is an established process and it is NOT up to one "AMA rep" to make the determination.
one AMA rep is making both telephone allowances & email 'does not condone' without any published findings in a year&half
ahhh
nevermind
11-05-2006 | 01:38 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
odd, that seems to be the MO in the PaintBall controversy....
one AMA rep is making both telephone allowances & email 'does not condone' without any published findings in a year&half
For all other claims there is an established process and it is NOT up to one "AMA rep" to make the determination.
one AMA rep is making both telephone allowances & email 'does not condone' without any published findings in a year&half
11-05-2006 | 01:52 PM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
ORIGINAL: jonkoppisch
Nothing except for being able to fly or use it at any clubs... Any club that is ama chartered doesn't exactly welcome anyone with anything other than ama insurance with open arms.. Talk about a hard market to break into[]
ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Talk about a hard market to break into[]
1) Clubs are run by the members.
2) The members decide if the want to charter under AMA and accept the requirements to charter if they do.
3) Most people just don't care to share what they have worked hard to establish with people not willing to ante up.
This is what makes it a "hard" market to break into. Life is tough!
11-05-2006 | 06:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Some basic facts:
1) Clubs are run by the members.
2) The members decide if the want to charter under AMA and accept the requirements to charter if they do.
3) Most people just don't care to share what they have worked hard to establish with people not willing to ante up.
This is what makes it a "hard" market to break into. Life is tough!
ORIGINAL: jonkoppisch
Nothing except for being able to fly or use it at any clubs... Any club that is ama chartered doesn't exactly welcome anyone with anything other than ama insurance with open arms.. Talk about a hard market to break into[]
ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
Talk about a hard market to break into[]
1) Clubs are run by the members.
2) The members decide if the want to charter under AMA and accept the requirements to charter if they do.
3) Most people just don't care to share what they have worked hard to establish with people not willing to ante up.
This is what makes it a "hard" market to break into. Life is tough!
lol
1) Clubs are run by the members.
Yep, they are.. And when they go with the only agency around offering insurance that most landowners etc require, per the ama they are 'encouraged' to be the only insurance allowed at the field.
2) The members decide if the want to charter under AMA and accept the requirements to charter if they do.
There really isn't another choice is there? There is no other RC option SIMILAR to the ama thanks to everything being so 'sown' up?
3) Most people just don't care to share what they have worked hard to establish with people not willing to ante up.
That pretty much cuts out your suggestion of going and starting another agency right? The cards are pretty stacked against anyone that would even think of trying... I'm sure you're old enough to remember the saying about putting all of your eggs in 1 basket which is 1 reason that i would like to see an alternative
This is what makes it a "hard" market to break into. Life is tough
Yep, sure is.. The way it is it almost sounds more like an elitist club than a fun hobby...
11-05-2006 | 07:47 PM
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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
NOT TRUE! From Sport Flyers of America document:
Sport Flyers of America Coverage Summary
(Liability Coverage)
• This policy is “in excess†of any other applicable coverage. (This means that coverage is primary only when no other insurance is available.)
Which is essentially the same as AMA insurance.
NOT TRUE! From Sport Flyers of America document:
Sport Flyers of America Coverage Summary
(Liability Coverage)
• This policy is “in excess†of any other applicable coverage. (This means that coverage is primary only when no other insurance is available.)
Which is essentially the same as AMA insurance.
Can you direct me to the source of this item line...please?
There is apparently some mistake somewhere. AMA's item line is:
• AMA insurance is “excess†to any other applicable coverage, such as homeowner’s.
Notice the difference…Your rendition of SFA’s â€in excess†and AMA’s is “excess†.
The parenthesized portion of the SFA line item you present does not correlate correctly to the text.
If this is a document that is in your personal archive and is not available on-line please indicate if the wording is correct including the parenthesized portion.
Thanks in advance
11-05-2006 | 07:51 PM
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Nothing stopping you and those like minded starting another SFA type organization. Maybe you could get some tips from Guy Maiorka (United Modelers of America).
11-05-2006 | 08:20 PM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
But they are not real modelers, just toy airplane flyers. Most are in and out in a few years, lack the basic skills that real modlers have aquired up over time from sharing ideas and experiences, lots of times with Model Aviation Magazine as the medium. They seem to share one attribute and that is the lack of intelect to understand what the AMA really stands for.
Red S.
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ORIGINAL: exeter_acres
great post... and I agree with you...
But don't worry, it will only take a couple hours for the bitter few to step in and try and pi$$ all over this thread
great post... and I agree with you...
But don't worry, it will only take a couple hours for the bitter few to step in and try and pi$$ all over this thread
Red S.
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You are about as arrogant as they come.
Oh and they are all toys no matter how big they are or how much time it took for you to create it or put it together.
11-06-2006 | 12:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: Phaedrus-MMVI
Blah, blah, blah...
Blah, blah, blah...
11-06-2006 | 01:19 PM
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gonn make a clear hypothetical to see if we agree on what SC-GG is saying
Guy A is a neighbor standing in the club Parking Lot, he came to complain abiout the noise.
Guy B is a AMA Clubmember, trying to talk down Guy A calling the cops
Guy C is a AMA clubmember flying his 84" Twin Gas P-38.... who kas been flying with his knees locked in the sun... and suddenly collapses unconc from blood flow problems.
Now said 84" P38 does a wingover and sceams past the No-Fly line with nobody at the sticks, and Guy A & Guy B talking in the parkinglot each get a Fuse & Gas Engine to the head..... quick trip to the hospital and $75k of surgury latter they both hit up the AMA insurance for the exact same accident.
Guy A being a non-member gets liability over the no-insurance Pilot and recieves the $75k - deductable liability coverage from the AMA insurance.
Guy B is a member and only gets the $25k - deduct because of the No-Member-Member liability. He has to sue Guy C pilot to bancrupcy to try to pay his med bills
Guy C doesnt get a new plane, because it was DumbThumb excluded from model fire/theft/etc coveage, and looks at chapters 7 & 11 to find the best way to not have to sell everything he owns to pay GuyB
Is that about right?
Guy A is a neighbor standing in the club Parking Lot, he came to complain abiout the noise.
Guy B is a AMA Clubmember, trying to talk down Guy A calling the cops
Guy C is a AMA clubmember flying his 84" Twin Gas P-38.... who kas been flying with his knees locked in the sun... and suddenly collapses unconc from blood flow problems.
Now said 84" P38 does a wingover and sceams past the No-Fly line with nobody at the sticks, and Guy A & Guy B talking in the parkinglot each get a Fuse & Gas Engine to the head..... quick trip to the hospital and $75k of surgury latter they both hit up the AMA insurance for the exact same accident.
Guy A being a non-member gets liability over the no-insurance Pilot and recieves the $75k - deductable liability coverage from the AMA insurance.
Guy B is a member and only gets the $25k - deduct because of the No-Member-Member liability. He has to sue Guy C pilot to bancrupcy to try to pay his med bills
Guy C doesnt get a new plane, because it was DumbThumb excluded from model fire/theft/etc coveage, and looks at chapters 7 & 11 to find the best way to not have to sell everything he owns to pay GuyB
Is that about right?
11-06-2006 | 02:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: SoCal GliderGuider
What Bill is trying to say is that there is no AMA provided liability coverage between AMA members or to the members family. If you get hurt all you have is the (now) $25k after the deduction. So when an AMA member is injured by another AMA member and the primary insurance is exhausted the AMA will refuse to pay. So you have to sue the member and the site owner. Since the site owner is covered by the AMA you wind up suing the AMA too. Then Bill knows all about that because he just reported he is part of such a law suit.
ORIGINAL: Phaedrus-MMVI
Blah, blah, blah...
Blah, blah, blah...
11-06-2006 | 04:38 PM
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RE: AMA is a real value!!
Beside the ligitimicy of the insurance, which seems to be debated endlessly in these forums, what about acting as a liasion for modelers?
Here is a quite from the President's Perspective of the November 2006 MA.
"...members of the AMA staff and officers have spend much time and effort meeting with everyone from local law enforcement to the Congress of the United States. There were meeting with various offices within the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security, and the Federal Aviation Administration, all of which were aimed at retaining your right to continue to flye model airplanes. Keep this in mind the next time someone tries to tell you that AMA is only about insurance."
Do we have any proof of such meetings?
Was there a threat to model aviation?
I'm not against the AMA, but I would like to KNOW that I am getting what they say I am getting.
Here is a quite from the President's Perspective of the November 2006 MA.
"...members of the AMA staff and officers have spend much time and effort meeting with everyone from local law enforcement to the Congress of the United States. There were meeting with various offices within the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Homeland Security, and the Federal Aviation Administration, all of which were aimed at retaining your right to continue to flye model airplanes. Keep this in mind the next time someone tries to tell you that AMA is only about insurance."
Do we have any proof of such meetings?
Was there a threat to model aviation?
I'm not against the AMA, but I would like to KNOW that I am getting what they say I am getting.
11-06-2006 | 04:54 PM
#50
RE: AMA is a real value!!
I suggest you contact Jay Mealy, since he is the one who does most of this type of work at AMA HQ:
[Programs Director] Jay Mealy at AMA Headquarters with questions, comments, or concerns ... (765) 287-1256, extension 270 [office]; [email protected].
Of course you could then ask for proof that it was in fact Jay Mealy...
[Programs Director] Jay Mealy at AMA Headquarters with questions, comments, or concerns ... (765) 287-1256, extension 270 [office]; [email protected].
Of course you could then ask for proof that it was in fact Jay Mealy...
