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03-06-2008 | 04:07 PM
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RE: expulsion
Just wondering, and not that it matters.
What did this guy do to justify getting thrown out of your club ?
If your dues run from Jan. to Jan. how did he screw up so bad
before the flying season even started ?
Roby
What did this guy do to justify getting thrown out of your club ?
If your dues run from Jan. to Jan. how did he screw up so bad
before the flying season even started ?
Roby
03-06-2008 | 06:21 PM
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RE: expulsion
ORIGINAL: HIGHSTRUT
Our Club expelled a member for his behavior. He was asked to return his membership card, and in return we would refund his dues.
He wants his refund first and then he'll return his card. What is the standard procedure in this case?
Our Club expelled a member for his behavior. He was asked to return his membership card, and in return we would refund his dues.
He wants his refund first and then he'll return his card. What is the standard procedure in this case?
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"SECTION 2
When the conduct of any member becomes detrimental to the charter and welfare of the Club or if any member conducts him/her self in any way contrary to, or in violation of the Constitution, by-laws, or rules of the Club, he/she shall be notified of his/her misconduct and may appear before the membership at a regular meeting to defend his/her actions.
If upon review of charges, the membership finds the charges to be true and two-thirds (2/3) of the members present at the meeting vote to remove said member from the rolls, such member shall be so removed without return of any portion of dues or fees previously paid by said member."
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Note the restriction to "....regular meeting..."
The Board cannot call a "special" meeting for the purpose of ousting someone they don't like. [:-]
03-06-2008 | 10:01 PM
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From: tyler,
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RE: expulsion
[:'(]I have a real problem with the expulsion of anyone! Short of deliberately causing damage to anothers property, stealing, flying while intoxicated, fighting (going to physical blows) ,what's the deal?
I know the circumstances were not revealed in this case, but expulsion is a very harsh step to take. So before I make this post go LEFT on us, I'll shut up.
Oh yeah, if comes down to it, follow the club's by-laws. That way, everyone is protected...
I know the circumstances were not revealed in this case, but expulsion is a very harsh step to take. So before I make this post go LEFT on us, I'll shut up.Oh yeah, if comes down to it, follow the club's by-laws. That way, everyone is protected...
03-07-2008 | 06:59 AM
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RE: expulsion
Hows about a wanton disregard for the By-Laws and Field Safety Rules! There are plenty of people who lack any respect for anyone and are impossible to deal with on any level out there living in this country, today. Anyone putting a club at risk, or destroying the tenuous relationship with the club Flying Field's neighbors. Hopefully, there aren't any of these folks in your club!
Expulsion is a weighty matter, without doubt and needs to be a last resort; but, certainly needs to be an option.
Expulsion is a weighty matter, without doubt and needs to be a last resort; but, certainly needs to be an option.
03-07-2008 | 07:56 AM
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From: cando,
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RE: expulsion
Man without knowing HIS side of the story or ANY story it would be hard or petty for any of us to say anything about what you should or shouldn't do. It seems if your by-laws state no refunds and your members feel he should get it back then maybe whatever happened was not all the ousted ones fault. You for sure should do as Hoss stated and have a meeting to see if everyone is on the same page about this. And to give somone the right to defend themselves. I can't imagine what someone would do to get themselves ousted and without knowing no one here has a right to do anything other than to say follow the rules of AMA and your Club by-laws. I think in some instances a man could just not be liked by most as some people are and being thrown out because of this. What did he do???????????
03-07-2008 | 08:22 AM
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RE: expulsion
Until we hear from Highstrut I guess we'll never know what
might have happened.
Never had to deal with throwing someone out of a flying club.
It must take alot of effot to screw up that bad. (in two months)
Regards,
Roby
might have happened.
Never had to deal with throwing someone out of a flying club.
It must take alot of effot to screw up that bad. (in two months)
Regards,
Roby
03-07-2008 | 07:41 PM
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RE: expulsion
It's unfair to ask Highstrut to air this laundry here! He and his club could end up in court, being sued for Libel. It is certainly unfair for the person being expelled to have the story told here, also. It is a private matter between the club and the person in question. What the person is being expelled for is not the question, it is how to properly execute the procedure!
03-08-2008 | 12:15 AM
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RE: expulsion
Guys,
HS only wanted to know how clubs typically handled the card vs. dues refund order. Going on and on about just why or how they determined to kick this guy out for behavioral matters isn't germane to the topic.
Now, just to give him our clubs SOP. We do not give club membership cards out. So no worry there but if we do expel a member he gets three times his club dues money back.
HS only wanted to know how clubs typically handled the card vs. dues refund order. Going on and on about just why or how they determined to kick this guy out for behavioral matters isn't germane to the topic.
Now, just to give him our clubs SOP. We do not give club membership cards out. So no worry there but if we do expel a member he gets three times his club dues money back.
03-08-2008 | 06:51 AM
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From: cando,
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RE: expulsion
Where is your club I can get throwed out for three times my money. Find some other clubs that do that and make me some money and start my own club where if you get throwed out it costs you three times your money and throw someone out every week and get them to join your club lol.
03-08-2008 | 07:25 AM
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RE: expulsion
Sounds like a new career! Professional Club member, no work involved and the fun of being obnoxious and intolerable all wrapped up into one! Go for it kid Chuclkles!
03-08-2008 | 02:58 PM
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From: MAnsfield,
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RE: expulsion
The issue is not what happened but how to handle it. HS is being very mature in not getting into what happened. IMO it frankly doesnt matter what happened if the By-LAws are followed and it has come to expulsion then there ya go, game over.
03-08-2008 | 06:27 PM
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RE: expulsion
ORIGINAL: SSRCCPREZ
The issue is not what happened but how to handle it. HS is being very mature in not getting into what happened. IMO it frankly doesnt matter what happened if the By-LAws are followed and it has come to expulsion then there ya go, game over.
The issue is not what happened but how to handle it. HS is being very mature in not getting into what happened. IMO it frankly doesnt matter what happened if the By-LAws are followed and it has come to expulsion then there ya go, game over.
03-08-2008 | 11:57 PM
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From: CITRUSHEIGHTS, CA
RE: expulsion
Did anybody follow the AMA's guideline's on termination and or expulsion?
You might want to read up on the AMA's position when it comes to things like this.
You might want to read up on the AMA's position when it comes to things like this.
03-11-2008 | 06:46 AM
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RE: expulsion
The ONLY reason I was interested on how this guy
screwed up so bad in two month, was to determine if
he really should get his money back.
Since we haven't heard from Highstrut I can only guess
that we haven't really heard all the facts. Even from one side.
Example 1. At a club meeting AFTER Jan 1st(new calendar year)
this person gets really rude at a meeting and it comes to blows.
No question there...........he's out ! Nothing refunded.
Exapmle 2. IF an incident happened in Oct , Nov or Dec and the
club didn't straighten this out until after the next
years dues were already paid, and then decide to
kick him out , do you still think this is fair and the rule
of no refunds still applies ? I think not.
In this case if there was a good chance he was going to get thrown out ,then
the club has the oblagation to iron this out BEFORE accepting his dues.
That's why I'd like to know WHEN this person screwed up so bad
to warrent being thrown out before the flying season even started.
We are only talking about 2 MONTHS here.
Unless we get more facts, this thread is almost useless.
Regards,
Roby
screwed up so bad in two month, was to determine if
he really should get his money back.
Since we haven't heard from Highstrut I can only guess
that we haven't really heard all the facts. Even from one side.
Example 1. At a club meeting AFTER Jan 1st(new calendar year)
this person gets really rude at a meeting and it comes to blows.
No question there...........he's out ! Nothing refunded.
Exapmle 2. IF an incident happened in Oct , Nov or Dec and the
club didn't straighten this out until after the next
years dues were already paid, and then decide to
kick him out , do you still think this is fair and the rule
of no refunds still applies ? I think not.
In this case if there was a good chance he was going to get thrown out ,then
the club has the oblagation to iron this out BEFORE accepting his dues.
That's why I'd like to know WHEN this person screwed up so bad
to warrent being thrown out before the flying season even started.
We are only talking about 2 MONTHS here.
Unless we get more facts, this thread is almost useless.
Regards,
Roby
03-11-2008 | 12:24 PM
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From: MAnsfield,
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RE: expulsion
ORIGINAL: Mode One
Isn't this exactly what Littlecrankshaf and I have said in posts just above here? Is there an echo in this room?
ORIGINAL: SSRCCPREZ
The issue is not what happened but how to handle it. HS is being very mature in not getting into what happened. IMO it frankly doesnt matter what happened if the By-LAws are followed and it has come to expulsion then there ya go, game over.
The issue is not what happened but how to handle it. HS is being very mature in not getting into what happened. IMO it frankly doesnt matter what happened if the By-LAws are followed and it has come to expulsion then there ya go, game over.
Gee, Sorry Mode one, our posts over lapped and I was merely supporting LCS and your position. I apologize for the echo.
Keep it up and you too will be expelled!!! LOL im kidding!!!!
03-11-2008 | 12:27 PM
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From: MAnsfield,
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RE: expulsion
ORIGINAL: Roby
The ONLY reason I was interested on how this guy
screwed up so bad in two month, was to determine if
he really should get his money back.
Since we haven't heard from Highstrut I can only guess
that we haven't really heard all the facts. Even from one side.
Example 1. At a club meeting AFTER Jan 1st(new calendar year)
this person gets really rude at a meeting and it comes to blows.
No question there...........he's out ! Nothing refunded.
Exapmle 2. IF an incident happened in Oct , Nov or Dec and the
club didn't straighten this out until after the next
years dues were already paid, and then decide to
kick him out , do you still think this is fair and the rule
of no refunds still applies ? I think not.
In this case if there was a good chance he was going to get thrown out ,then
the club has the oblagation to iron this out BEFORE accepting his dues.
That's why I'd like to know WHEN this person screwed up so bad
to warrent being thrown out before the flying season even started.
We are only talking about 2 MONTHS here.
Unless we get more facts, this thread is almost useless.
Regards,
Roby
The ONLY reason I was interested on how this guy
screwed up so bad in two month, was to determine if
he really should get his money back.
Since we haven't heard from Highstrut I can only guess
that we haven't really heard all the facts. Even from one side.
Example 1. At a club meeting AFTER Jan 1st(new calendar year)
this person gets really rude at a meeting and it comes to blows.
No question there...........he's out ! Nothing refunded.
Exapmle 2. IF an incident happened in Oct , Nov or Dec and the
club didn't straighten this out until after the next
years dues were already paid, and then decide to
kick him out , do you still think this is fair and the rule
of no refunds still applies ? I think not.
In this case if there was a good chance he was going to get thrown out ,then
the club has the oblagation to iron this out BEFORE accepting his dues.
That's why I'd like to know WHEN this person screwed up so bad
to warrent being thrown out before the flying season even started.
We are only talking about 2 MONTHS here.
Unless we get more facts, this thread is almost useless.
Regards,
Roby
Roby,
I see where you are going with this, but it all goes back to By-LAws. If the By-Laws state no refund than it means no refund regardless. If it states partial or prorated than so be it. There arent usually exceptions to by-laws, and if there were to be, it would be up to the memership to "set aside" the by-laws per robert's rules to make an exception. the "setting aside" of the rules takes a 3/4 majority vote first, then an motion to make an exception would have to be made and seconded.
truth be told it ALL depends on the By-Laws and the presiding member.
03-11-2008 | 04:13 PM
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From: Park Rapids, MN
RE: expulsion
In actuality, the event is the private business of the club highstrut belongs to and the person in question. You have to assume the private information will handled correctly by both parties, as we have no business having access to it. Simply put, it is none of our business! I even feel it is wrong to ask for more details, let alone ask for them to be divulged here.
03-11-2008 | 08:06 PM
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From: Sterling , CO
RE: expulsion
To bad what some people can do to a person and their Hobby, but that is life in this new RC World look like the new way must be the best
And I for got when you can not pay your dues on time Just one old fart to anouther
look like the new way must be the bestAnd I for got when you can not pay your dues on time
Just one old fart to anouther
03-14-2008 | 05:13 AM
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RE: expulsion
ORIGINAL: JUGFLIER
Is that what that is called?
ORIGINAL: Roby
It appears that several replies were dropped of during
some system maintenance.
Roby
It appears that several replies were dropped of during
some system maintenance.
Roby
Is that what that is called?
03-14-2008 | 02:15 PM
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RE: expulsion
Hmmmmmm......what was that topic..........vague recall...something like: We had to kill one of our club members. Does anybody have a good recipe for removing blood?
