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04-27-2008 | 09:43 AM
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RE: CD's
ORIGINAL: BarracudaHockey
Funflyer, appologies for your simple question getting hijacked and degraded. I hope by the time you get up and check in on this it will have been cleaned up.
Funflyer, appologies for your simple question getting hijacked and degraded. I hope by the time you get up and check in on this it will have been cleaned up.
Indeed.
If anyone is interested in the OP's original question, go to AMA website
At bottom of home page, click on Rules under Competition/Events
Then click on AMA Documents PDF.
Scroll down to Section 510.
You'll find all the info on turbines, and names of qualified people to sign off by state.
Sorry I could not provide a link, coudn't make it work.
04-27-2008 | 10:05 AM
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Gentlemen,
I've had to go in and clean up this thread. Once again, the personal attacks and comments need to stop. Talks of how you have blocked each other, and now you're unblocked, block back on, etc....... has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you". It's time to grow up guys as this petty bickering has no place in an adult discussion forum. If you don't want to read posts that somebody makes then simply block them, but don't go for the "shock factor" and announce it here in the open thread. If this continues it may be time to start handing out some Moderated Status to those that can't keep the discussion on topic.
Ken
I've had to go in and clean up this thread. Once again, the personal attacks and comments need to stop. Talks of how you have blocked each other, and now you're unblocked, block back on, etc....... has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground. Sticking your fingers in your ears and saying "nah, nah, nah, nah, I can't hear you". It's time to grow up guys as this petty bickering has no place in an adult discussion forum. If you don't want to read posts that somebody makes then simply block them, but don't go for the "shock factor" and announce it here in the open thread. If this continues it may be time to start handing out some Moderated Status to those that can't keep the discussion on topic.
Ken
04-27-2008 | 12:31 PM
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RE: CD's
ORIGINAL: RCKen
has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground.
Ken
has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground.
Ken
Thanks Ken. I apologize for participating in the "play ground".
Of course we could always just point questions and concerns to the AMA or AMA website for answers...One big sticky and dispense with the rest of the forum... but we are being allowed to discuss aspects of AMA here and as always there are two sides. There will always be those that will always blindly and loyally subscribe to whatever the AMA promulgates and there will be others that have a few issues with one aspect or another...that is fine also.
Now with all that said and since we have allowed much philosophical discussion of a few here I am hoping I can be afforded a chance to highlight some problems with the turbine waiver system as I see it.
First off, the waiver system perpetuates the good ole boy system. I have personally witnessed waivers given to pilots that can barely keep an ugly stick in the air while much better pilots are made to beg. More importantly this waiver system has nothing in it to insure Turbines are flown in appropriate locations. I have witnessed turbines flown in some very high risk (of the unaware) locations at the discretion of those that otherwise openly and publicly admonish others about safety...simply ludicrous to say the least.
I am for scraping the current system and instead of the signing off of pilots, install a new system where the flying fields are approved and authorized for turbine use. Some sites may actually be fine during some months of the year and not ok at other times. To sum it up...the pilot status is a much lesser concern than the location chosen to fly turbines. The pilot's ability is pretty much self righting...if they truly can't fly a turbine it won't take long and they will be out of business while even the best pilots pose great risk in a bad location.
04-27-2008 | 06:26 PM
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RE: CD's
ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
Thanks Ken. I apologize for participating in the "play ground".
Of course we could always just point questions and concerns to the AMA or AMA website for answers...One big sticky and dispense with the rest of the forum... but we are being allowed to discuss aspects of AMA here and as always there are two sides. There will always be those that will always blindly and loyally subscribe to whatever the AMA promulgates and there will be others that have a few issues with one aspect or another...that is fine also.
Now with all that said and since we have allowed much philosophical discussion of a few here I am hoping I can be afforded a chance to highlight some problems with the turbine waiver system as I see it.
First off, the waiver system perpetuates the good ole boy system. I have personally witnessed waivers given to pilots that can barely keep an ugly stick in the air while much better pilots are made to beg. More importantly this waiver system has nothing in it to insure Turbines are flown in appropriate locations. I have witnessed turbines flown in some very high risk (of the unaware) locations at the discretion of those that otherwise openly and publicly admonish others about safety...simply ludicrous to say the least.
I am for scraping the current system and instead of the signing off of pilots, install a new system where the flying fields are approved and authorized for turbine use. Some sites may actually be fine during some months of the year and not ok at other times. To sum it up...the pilot status is a much lesser concern than the location chosen to fly turbines. The pilot's ability is pretty much self righting...if they truly can't fly a turbine it won't take long and they will be out of business while even the best pilots pose great risk in a bad location.
ORIGINAL: RCKen
has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground.
Ken
has nothing to do with the thread topic. Honestly guys, it comes off sounding like kids on a play ground.
Ken
Thanks Ken. I apologize for participating in the "play ground".
Of course we could always just point questions and concerns to the AMA or AMA website for answers...One big sticky and dispense with the rest of the forum... but we are being allowed to discuss aspects of AMA here and as always there are two sides. There will always be those that will always blindly and loyally subscribe to whatever the AMA promulgates and there will be others that have a few issues with one aspect or another...that is fine also.
Now with all that said and since we have allowed much philosophical discussion of a few here I am hoping I can be afforded a chance to highlight some problems with the turbine waiver system as I see it.
First off, the waiver system perpetuates the good ole boy system. I have personally witnessed waivers given to pilots that can barely keep an ugly stick in the air while much better pilots are made to beg. More importantly this waiver system has nothing in it to insure Turbines are flown in appropriate locations. I have witnessed turbines flown in some very high risk (of the unaware) locations at the discretion of those that otherwise openly and publicly admonish others about safety...simply ludicrous to say the least.
I am for scraping the current system and instead of the signing off of pilots, install a new system where the flying fields are approved and authorized for turbine use. Some sites may actually be fine during some months of the year and not ok at other times. To sum it up...the pilot status is a much lesser concern than the location chosen to fly turbines. The pilot's ability is pretty much self righting...if they truly can't fly a turbine it won't take long and they will be out of business while even the best pilots pose great risk in a bad location.
LCS I think you make some good points in what you say especialy the part about
approval of certain locations for turbines and not some others.
05-04-2008 | 04:53 AM
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I echo the sentiments of LCS. The pilot is not always in question, the flying site must also be suitable! Just because you are signed off for turbine, does not mean you can handle the confines of the flying field...Makes ya think,huh?
05-04-2008 | 06:30 AM
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Ken didn't clean up the thread because people are debating two sides of an issue, he cleaned it up because for some reason it can't be done without taking pot shots at the people posting thier opinions. Sadly the airwaves are full of such garbage for the last several months until November, I'd really rather see better here at RCU.
That aside.
How does one rate a field for turbine use? Or giant scale anything for that matter? Where do we draw the lines? If the model is equipped with brakes if its a short runway? By wingspan, engine displacement (or pounds of thrust), model weight?
That aside.
How does one rate a field for turbine use? Or giant scale anything for that matter? Where do we draw the lines? If the model is equipped with brakes if its a short runway? By wingspan, engine displacement (or pounds of thrust), model weight?
05-04-2008 | 07:25 AM
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From: tyler,
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I don't know. Those are good arguments. I wish I had an answer. I would just go by the pilot's qualifications. Some pilots can not even handle a 1.20 size aircraft and have turbine waivers. Won't call names, etc...But it is from personal experience.
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