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07-16-2008, 11:40 AM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Red,
Since you live fairly close to Lakeland, you could come down and do what you are accusing us of not doing. I can't speak for anyone else, but my judging day starts early and ends late. How does yours go for you?
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Red,
Since you live fairly close to Lakeland, you could come down and do what you are accusing us of not doing. I can't speak for anyone else, but my judging day starts early and ends late. How does yours go for you?
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07-16-2008, 11:43 AM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
Why the heck should we hafta do ama's work for'em. We have enough to do taking care of our own fields an members.
It seems like you guys that are doing biz on here or trying to belly up to tha ama ( you, stl, Dons and a few of the others) never have a bad word to say about them. In other words, they can do no wrong in your alls eyes.
Sport Pilot-
Remember, you are posting on here too. I guess us complainers are just low lifes in your alls opinion.
Ron
It seems like you guys that are doing biz on here or trying to belly up to tha ama ( you, stl, Dons and a few of the others) never have a bad word to say about them. In other words, they can do no wrong in your alls eyes.
Sport Pilot-
Remember, you are posting on here too. I guess us complainers are just low lifes in your alls opinion.
Ron
07-16-2008, 12:09 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
Ronnie
The politically correct term is Bottomfeeder & Webcrawler,
we dont use 'complainer' anymore.
remember Greg Hahn spelled it out for us,
and we should try to follow the standards set by AMA/Muncie/MA for nomenclature.
The politically correct term is Bottomfeeder & Webcrawler,
we dont use 'complainer' anymore.
remember Greg Hahn spelled it out for us,
and we should try to follow the standards set by AMA/Muncie/MA for nomenclature.
07-16-2008, 02:24 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
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Ronnie
The politically correct term is Bottomfeeder & Webcrawler,
we dont use 'complainer' anymore.
remember Greg Hahn spelled it out for us,
and we should try to follow the standards set by AMA/Muncie/MA for nomenclature.
Ronnie
The politically correct term is Bottomfeeder & Webcrawler,
we dont use 'complainer' anymore.
remember Greg Hahn spelled it out for us,
and we should try to follow the standards set by AMA/Muncie/MA for nomenclature.
Ronnie
07-16-2008, 03:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: Red Scholefield
Everyone working Top Gun is on the payroll. Is it reasonable to expect someone to work the 5 days at their own expense (travel & living) to hand out AMA literature. Yes, the District VP has a modest budget, but the demands of the second largest AMA district put a lot of demands on these limited funds. He must use them in the best interest of the members of the District. Should handing out AMA literature at Top Gun be high on the priority list?
Everyone working Top Gun is on the payroll. Is it reasonable to expect someone to work the 5 days at their own expense (travel & living) to hand out AMA literature. Yes, the District VP has a modest budget, but the demands of the second largest AMA district put a lot of demands on these limited funds. He must use them in the best interest of the members of the District. Should handing out AMA literature at Top Gun be high on the priority list?
This is rapidly taking on the aspects of a urinating contest. Since I consider you a friend, I will make one more statement, and then leave you to your own conclusions.
I, and I would think that most intelligent people would advocate spending the modest budget where it would reach the most people. Having said that, would not common sense dictate that you could reach more people at a top level event, than say at a small fly-in somewhere in Georgia (no slam against the fine citizens of Georgia intended)? I constantly see where DVP's attend a lot of less attended events.
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07-16-2008, 04:30 PM
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ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
The Director of Contests (bettrer known as the CD) does not have time to sit at a table under a tent and pass out informative brochures to potentially interested people. These spectators who have had their appetites whetted, don't even have a clue as to what the AMA is (other than a motorcycle organization or a group of physicians), and if there is no one there who is representing the Academy, then these potential members and flyers are lost. They may eventually find us, but can you be sure of that? If the AMA is represented, then there is a higher probability of these people being pointed in the right direction from the point of contact. Not only is the CD very busy during contests, but so is everyone who is already working at these events. You would think that the AMA would have someone present at least at these Major events.
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ORIGINAL: Hossfly
For starters, AMA has a representative at a sanctioned event and he/she is called the CONTEST DIRECTOR.
DVPs and AVPs are like you. Non-paid volunteers that do the work they do for the love of the sport. They are modelers sacrificing their sport/hobby time to serve. If you want one at your event, YOU send at least money .... Maybe he'll bring YOU a lawyer and a gun.
Oh Yes, I firmly believe there are those that LOVE the sport of wearing the fancy shirt more so than performing. In that case the district members should vote him/her out.
For starters, AMA has a representative at a sanctioned event and he/she is called the CONTEST DIRECTOR.
DVPs and AVPs are like you. Non-paid volunteers that do the work they do for the love of the sport. They are modelers sacrificing their sport/hobby time to serve. If you want one at your event, YOU send at least money .... Maybe he'll bring YOU a lawyer and a gun.
Oh Yes, I firmly believe there are those that LOVE the sport of wearing the fancy shirt more so than performing. In that case the district members should vote him/her out.
Bill, AMA 4720
If you're trying to dig into me, then sorry for it not working because in reality I agree with you.
My item was in a lesser picture than yours as you brought the BIG PICTURE more into focus than I did.OTOH, after watching AMA spend time and money at Sandy Frank's shows up in the Metroplex (Dallas Ft. Worth area) especially the last two, well I also have some doubts about the worth of the AMA's representation at shows. Of course, active outdoor model airplane flying events are far better than the indoor shows for representing AMA.
Sometimes I tend to think any representation of the organization, AMA, is about as serving as this forum. It's about whatever any individual wishes to make out of it.
One has to respect Ol' Frank Tiano no matter the personal feelings. Ol' Frank does what Ol' Frank wants to do and to Heck with the heavy artillery facing him. [>:] Min. Weight 35# / Unlimited max weight. "Monster Planes USA" www.franktiano.com [sm=punching.gif]
The AMA may do fine if they should follow Frank's lead.
07-16-2008, 04:49 PM
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Horrace,
I'm not trying to dig into you, Red or anyone else. I have been asking (without any answer) for quite some time why the AMA does not attend what is the premier scale event in the world. It would seem that with Frank welcoming the AMA with signage, the AMA would at least send one person to the event. I work for Frank during this event, and I see who is and who is not there, so I do know whereof I speak. Greg Hahn is the only official AMA, "Shirt", in evidence, and he is busy during the entire event. You don't win the Expert class by sitting on your butt waiting for the next flying round. I just think that they are missing the boat on this one. It's probably not the only one they are missing out on as well.
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I'm not trying to dig into you, Red or anyone else. I have been asking (without any answer) for quite some time why the AMA does not attend what is the premier scale event in the world. It would seem that with Frank welcoming the AMA with signage, the AMA would at least send one person to the event. I work for Frank during this event, and I see who is and who is not there, so I do know whereof I speak. Greg Hahn is the only official AMA, "Shirt", in evidence, and he is busy during the entire event. You don't win the Expert class by sitting on your butt waiting for the next flying round. I just think that they are missing the boat on this one. It's probably not the only one they are missing out on as well.
Bill, AMA 4720
07-17-2008, 12:24 AM
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stick; I just think that they are missing the boat on this one. It's probably not the only one they are missing out on as well.
Bill, AMA 4720
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AMA does not provide any delegates.
BB has for many years been a big credit to model aviation since he was a kid. I tried for several years to get him into AMA's Hall of Fame, however such was not yet to be. Some sanction problems (IIRC) some years ago left a bad taste at AMA because BB did as he wanted and to heck with AMA's sanction. BB was/is another builder and preserver of flying fields, without public assistance.
EDITED to add: Looks like this is way off topic now, but just maybe these last few posts could be said to be examples of how this forum can be "...informative..." of both the current AMA practices as well as some historical background.
07-17-2008, 01:07 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
Post#2:
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
I mean, if he isnt really writing a book,
what purpose does that post have other than cheap shot
07-17-2008, 01:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Maybe Post #2 was telling the truth,
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
Post#2:
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
07-17-2008, 06:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
...or truly germane to the topic at hand.
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Maybe Post #2 was telling the truth,
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
Post#2:
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
Bill, AMA 4720
07-17-2008, 06:55 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Or maybe it's about his tendancies to harbor an Oedipus Rex Complex.
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ORIGINAL: littlecrankshaf
...or truly germane to the topic at hand.
ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy
Maybe Post #2 was telling the truth,
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
Post#2:
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
Very useful, I'm writing a book on sociological and pshycological disorder, hypocracy and irony
he is writing a book,
and it is not just a flat lie and cheap shot with a broad brush.
Bill, AMA 4720
Is this what ya meant Bill?
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07-17-2008, 07:50 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
I mean, if he isnt really writing a book,
what purpose does that post have other than cheap shot
what purpose does that post have other than cheap shot
Do I support the AMA unconditionally? Absolutely, the AMA always delivers their promises, you can't ask for more than that.
07-17-2008, 08:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot
Do I support the AMA unconditionally? Absolutely, Well as far as 29 bucks goes.
Do I support the AMA unconditionally? Absolutely, Well as far as 29 bucks goes.
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07-17-2008, 09:47 PM
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STL,
says the man claiming to be writing a book
What did Hoss say?
Yeah, put me down for one of them too.
How about brutal truth.
What did Hoss say?
No Way from this side of the fence.
07-18-2008, 08:50 AM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
ORIGINAL: STLPilot
How about brutal truth. If you believe these forums are more helpful than harmful to the only national sponsor of aeromodeling, than you're just living in denial.
Do I support the AMA unconditionally? Absolutely, the AMA always delivers their promises, you can't ask for more than that.
I mean, if he isnt really writing a book,
what purpose does that post have other than cheap shot
what purpose does that post have other than cheap shot
Do I support the AMA unconditionally? Absolutely, the AMA always delivers their promises, you can't ask for more than that.
Bill, AMA 4720
07-18-2008, 10:03 AM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
ORIGINAL: Stickbuilder
Yes, absolutely and unconditionally (up to $29.00 worth)
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Yes, absolutely and unconditionally (up to $29.00 worth)
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07-18-2008, 01:18 PM
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ORIGINAL: The Toolman
Bill, for a few here greed is their top priority....................
Ronnie
Bill, for a few here greed is their top priority....................
Ronnie
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07-18-2008, 01:48 PM
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RE: How useful and informative are the threads in this forum?
I don't really mind the PeePee's getting thier deal on the cheap so much as I mind knowing that the open membership will have to pick up the slack and make up for any shortfalls that having a tiered membership will incur.
But seeing that PPP's pay half as much and get 1/4 of magazines, 1/5 of insurance and so forth ... seems to me the PPP could be potentially more profitable than open membership. If anything it's the open membership that's the lead brining the AMA down ... otherwise they would have never introduced the PPP in the first place to bring the AMA back up.
07-18-2008, 02:15 PM
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot
I think he means that some here will somehow make money from the PPP program.
But seeing that PPP's pay half as much and get 1/4 of magazines, 1/5 of insurance and so forth ... seems to me the PPP could be potentially more profitable than open membership. If anything it's the open membership that's the lead brining the AMA down ... otherwise they would have never introduced the PPP in the first place to bring the AMA back up.
I don't really mind the PeePee's getting thier deal on the cheap so much as I mind knowing that the open membership will have to pick up the slack and make up for any shortfalls that having a tiered membership will incur.
But seeing that PPP's pay half as much and get 1/4 of magazines, 1/5 of insurance and so forth ... seems to me the PPP could be potentially more profitable than open membership. If anything it's the open membership that's the lead brining the AMA down ... otherwise they would have never introduced the PPP in the first place to bring the AMA back up.
Bill, AMA 4720