What do you think? Bob?

Good idea, LCS. He could then use his own candidate discussion thread to conduct his campaign instead of rudely monkey-wrenching the one set up for Horrace.

Abel

Absolutely NOT.

I'm too new to the hobby and AMA. I'm not qualified.

Won't consider it, entertain it or let anyone think that it's something that has even entered my mind.

Remember Lyndon Johnson? I'm not seeking nor would I accept such an effort on my behalf.

I'm flattered that you would even think of such a thing, but simply........no.

I hope that's firm enough for anyone who might believe that I've got some personal motive for the questions I've been asking here. I am NOT qualified too either hold or entertain holding any elected position within AMA

Satisfied, Abel?

I'm not answering for Abel but your response tells me things I suspected. Someone is feeding the pets. You are "....NOT qualified..." by your own admission, yet you lambast my qualifications big time. OTOH, I fully realize that one does not have to lay eggs to pass reasonable judgment on an omelet!

Im rather used to the lambasting when I run for an office. Sandy Frank seeded the lambasters when I ran against him and I was seeded some information that Sandy Frank was behind the movement behind the current EVP's attempts to file a lawsuit against me back when I first ran against him. My attorney quickly resolved that item because I had only stated items of public information as recorded in the AMA EC meeting minutes. Still, good attorneys don't come cheap.

Not firm enough for me, Bob!! However I received a letter today that makes my day big time. I simply cannot believe the support letter, with even a handwritten note and signature on the distribution letter, that just arrived and from the very important person sending that support letter not just to me but to many others. I am elated. Mitchell, you now have one big mountain to climb. [>:]

Charlie is probably always receptive to good AVP material. Talk it over with Lew. You can get qualified very quickly. You are in good company there in Lexington, KY.

Personally I believe that anyone that can ask and assimilate pertinent questions, come to a conclusion of rational answers, put those answers into pertinent positive action, directives, policies, etc, and then direct, police, or modify those actions when required may be qualified.

The last two questions of interest are; is the candidate rationally motivated and of right mind?
Like it or not, IMO, that qualifies Horrace, Mark and you too Bob, a long with a lot of other people here on RCU that love model aviation.

I dont believe you have to be a 20 year vet of something to be able to make or encourage positive change.

Cheers,
James

We don't suppose you would want to share this important person's support letter with us would you?

I do not see how asking for specific answers to specific relevant questions could in any reasonable way be labeled as "Monkey Wrenching" a forum that is set up and designed for that purpose.

I believe he is asking the questions many of us want answers to and keeps asking until he gets a satisfactory answer.

By all means carry on Bob. You'll hear some squealing but just ignore it.

Well, we have a differing perspective on that, bfd. Perhaps I was prejudging Bob's motives too harshly - it appeared to me he had his mind made up and was conducting a rather intensive anti- campaign against Horrace. Could well be he is just more intense and thorough than I am. I'll certainly grant him that he projects a significantly greater intelligence than the other guy I perceived as too antagonistic, more in line with my expectations of modelers in general.

This format for one-on-one discussion with candidates for AMA started here, IIRC. I think it is worthwhile and thank RCU for making it possible. Seems to me a much better basis for democratic action by the members than the precursor situation, where one had basically only limited insight into past performance of the incumbent and the decision was vote him back in or take a chance on a complete unknown. By and large participants in this forum seem in agreement with me re the value of it. So far, that has been demonstrated by a general show of respect for the candidates that dare to venture herein. I don't think Horrace has been shown similar due respect up to this point, and I think that may be to the detriment of future opportunities to discuss issues with the candidates. This is not The Inquisition and I don't think it should be - and it won't exist for long if it takes on that character.

I don't think Hoss is the Messiah, nor do I expect the Messiah is running against him, or for any AMA office. I guess I have an empathy toward him due to multiple experiences of my own. I never felt I was the best qualified person for positions of responsibility and leadership that I accepted with some trepidation. But, on some introspection I usually resolved that I was likely on the short list of the best qualified amongst the very few willing to take on the job.

Abel

Horrace, you love conspiracy theories, don't you? Especially if you can place yourself at the center. It's just more of your usual (paraphrase) "everyone who is against me is part of some group trying to keep me from my rightful place as leader of AMA". It's paranoid crap and I have a hard time believeing that anyone here but you really believes that.

And, IMO what you're espousing here and in your question forum is less omlet than it is scrambled, and overdone at that.

One doesn't have to be qualified to be President to be able to sit down and if given the opportunity ask some very hard and pointed questions of either McCain or Obama. I'm sure you think you could and you're sure as hell not qualified to be POTUS.

Insisting that I am is doing nothing but make you look more than a bit foolish.

I didn't think it would be, and figured you jump on it like white on rice as another paranoid conspiracy agains Horrace. I'm not really concerned what YOU think about whether I'm a candidate or not. The statement I've posted twice now makes it very clear that I'm not, and I suspsect that those who believe I am are a party of one.

Well, I'm certainly in Lexington. That obvious to anyone who sees the info bar to the left of this message, or who has looked up my profile, or perhaps even googled me. Is there some reason you keep mentioning it? Do you think I may be intimidated because Horrace Cain knows where I live? Hell, just PM me and I'll send you my phone number. You're welcome to drop by if you're ever in the neighborhood. We've got a great flying site with parallel 750' paved and grass runways, a 350' cross wind runway and a large beam shelter area. I imagine the runways are long and wide enough for you to manage to get your airplane up and down without too much damage. I'd even lend you my trainer.

Thank you for your comments. After what I've said here do YOU believe I'm trying to mount a write-in campaign?

THank you........I think

My motive here, my only motive is to determine who is the most qualified and most EFFECTIVE person for EVP. My questions have been very direct, very frank, and in some cases perhaps more antagonisitc than is/was really required. You saw my original set of questions. They are reasonable questions, point out some obvious contradictions, and most have essentially been ducked or sidestepped.

Do you know what Horrace wants to do in restructuring AMA? I don't, and it's certainly not clear from his response. He's PROMOTING a restructuring but other than a (paraphrase) "I'll figure it out when I'm elected" response I don't think anyone (perhaps even Horrace) knows what he really want's to do.

Oh, but he does make it very clear that he won't be "silenced". In post after post after post after...................

Abel, when someone shares little more than (paraphrase) "I'll let you know what my plans are after I'm elected", some inquiring and pointed follow up is certainly warranted.

I won't blame Horrace for the tone of some of my questions, but he's making his own bed in terms of needing to be quizzed, and quizzed with vigor.

Last but not least......Do YOU think I'm trying to mount a write-in campaign? I'd really like a reasoned answer to that one, because if you do then I need to figure out what it is I have to say to make it plain that I'm not......in any way, shape or manner.

Look at who's paranoid? Conspiracy theories? Bob, there's nothing to fret over unless you start seeing those flat black helicopters.

This whole deal reminds me so much of the children's tale about "Chicken Little".

It usually isn't anyone that wants to be elected...Why is that????...sorta like our current national presidential race...oh well.

I'm not fretting in the least. THat was the POINT of my comments. Guess I need to sharpen up a bit on my sarcasm.

BTW, there was a copter circling yesterday, but it was high enough that I couldn't tell if it was black, blue or brown. I've got a brace of SAM's in my backyard disguised as a BBQ pit. That'll take care of those little suckers.

BTW, do YOU think I'm trying to mount a write-in campaign?

Bob, I don't think you are running......... that would be a waste of raw talent.

I think your real calling in life is to become an AM radio talk show SHOCK JOCK!! [X(]

BTW, if you were ever to became EVP, I would live in constant fear of a midnight visit from one of those pro-AMA "indoctrination" squads.

Probably make more money at that than I do now. Maybe Imus will get fired again and I can have his slot.

BTW, you might want to mention your thoughts to Horrace. He seems to be convinced that there is some sort of conspiracy to get me elected in his place.

Damn.......the secret is out.

Seriously now for a second.....The fact that I'm concerned about Horrace's ability to be an effective leader at AMA certainly doesn't mean that I believe all is well with AMA. Those are two entirely unrelated issues.

hey bob,
you ever bother to read the biographies of folks like, McArthur, Eisenhower,Patton, you know folks that proved their leadership ability under fire. they were all pretty much "my way, or else" kinda guys. the kinda leadership i see you describing is what i remember from folks like Kenedy, McNamera, Carter, and other folks that never made a hard decision in their life.

Bob, do you think there is any danger of the AMA turning into a completely autocratic entity someday?

Bob
What specificly are you going to change regarding MA, if elected?

McArthur, Eisenhower & Patton destroyed everything in their way to get the end result that was required to win. Is that what you think is required ?

I'd agree with ya on most, but don't you think the cuban missle crisis rated a little bit of balls on Kennedy's part


Ron

Quote, Kid Epoxy:

Bob
What specificly are you going to change regarding MA, if elected?


pertinent questions from both KE & CP submitted to you in our new energy saving format.

WOW! I never in my wildest dreams thought you would consider taking the position. Wish I had known earlier... before I started this mess

Even though I truly wish Bob would be amenable to being our new EVP, I think you would be an awesome choice...none better!

Should I start a new thread to gauge your probability…hmmm...yea I should.

Got to love all the irony or hypocrisy depending on your perspective.

The " If you show loyalty (AMA) you're a flock of ignorant sheep,

The " love it or leave it " (AMA) crowd.

The " hard questions are good (AMA) "

The " questioning their (AMA)motives " is good for them (AMA)

The " If I oppose a policy (AMA) then I'm always labeled an (AMA) hater.

But now when some one dares question a candidate for EVP on specific policy issues and motivations none of that applies?

It does seem that those who preach tolerance can often turn out to be the least tolerant.

Finally we agree.

Edited to remove quote from CP.