It's time for the guy to nut-up and follow the rules like everybody else. Fields are difficult to find these days and it's best just to be happy that you have one! Don't make wave, be the gray man.

804,,,Thats just it though, I dont think he is breaking any rules. The rule is to have AMA insurance, he does and the OP knows it. Dont get me wrong 804 if I were the guy in question id put my card anywhere they wanted it. However, I think its in the best interest of this flying field and club to be the bigger man. If I were the OP I would handle it like this, I would go up to the guy and give a not so needed apology, then say we are sorry for or differences and thought we would offer up a discussion. Tell me what your problems are with the club and the rules, maybe we can rectify this situation. We are all here to have a good time, laugh and enjoy the day. Offer peace, even if in your mind you know its undeserving. Tell him the membership problems with not knowing for sure about his 2.4 status, and that no one wants to take a chance on losing a plane. Not everyone may know him at the field. Give the clubs views in a manner that does not seem like the KGB is here to take him away. If this act of kindnesss does not work then nothing will. Walk away, have a meeting with club members and let them know about this guy and the fact that he does have AMA and a 2.4 radio. So long as the guy flys in a safe manner let him be and be happy that your flying sight will be safe from a controversy that could cause you to lose it. The club must remember that the field is owned by the tax payers and membership in the club is not required to fly there. Should this mans AMA expire or he flys unsafe or breaks any laws then this will be a new topic, so far he hasn't. Well,,,, maybe the threat but I say walk away from that as well for the time being.

Brad has the right response, but to take it one step farther, you must remember there are two different rules in play here, the county's rule, then the ama rules. so as long as he has his ama card, he's following the rules, keep in mind that even IF he is flying unsafe, he sill hasn't broken the county rules, remember, only has to have ama card, so the only rules being broken are the ama's, IF, he's flying in an unsafe manner. so really the only way to get rid of him is to have his ama card pulled, if you can. please remember this comes from the voice of experience

That's not a bad idea. From what I've read so far, the only rule he's violating is not posting the card to the board. Seeing as how cccdad knows this guy is 2.4 and has AMA, he should be able to post something to the effect of a stand-in AMA card for FCMG. You would only have to revisit the whole confrontation thing once you know that his AMA has expired.

I really don't get it. Why doesn't the guy post his card and be done with it. People today are hyper sensitive about stupid stuff but dont care about what our government is doing. Way to much drama.

You guys need to read more carefully. Read what the OP states right here in bold (my emphasis):
[quote:cccdad]Very Interesting responses. The Club is a chartered club with AMA a land use agreement with the county requires that we maintain the charter to use the feild. Proof of AMA is a part of the land use agreement. The county has posted signs giving authority to the Club "Safety Marshalls" to enforce flying site rules. I am the only "Safety Marshall" but what is not spelled out is how to enforce the site rules. I have read several posts not to bother with the mere posting of a card. But what alternative is there to ensure Proof of AMA? Posting of AMA on a 2.4 frequecy board is just a convienent place to post. obviously not for frequency control. I have thought to take up the issue with the park, and may as a last resort. And as for taking the punch I have not backed down and should he throw a punch I will pursue criminal charges. My demeanor is not to feed into that violence and I maintain a calm tone and try to reason with him, which seems to aggitate him more.@ Sooperflye You sound like some ambulance chaser lawyer. Views like that are the reason why this countries tort system is costing us all an arm and a leg. Im sure you would argue that a cop running radar is harrassing the public over a civil infraction, as opposed to stopping lead foot drivers. As for getting rid of the board there are still pilots that currently use 72Mhz, But the core issue is pilots that may not have AMA insurance are using an AMA chartered club field. A simple inquiry in the past has always worked until this guy, who has stated he refuses to conform to the site rules.[end quote]

If the County has dubbed this guy an agent of the County, then he should have to wear a uniform that identifies him as such...or else make all club members equally responsible for rule enforcement. If the rule about showing proof of AMA is in plain view on a big sign, plus a warning about violation...then that is ample notice. I would work out the details in advance about how to report violators, even if that requires introducing yourself to the Sheriff.

Hey Folks ,,,
county property used for flying scale model aircrafts that require proofof membership from a privately-owned organization. That's the problem!

question: has the state or county made the safety marshall an official member of the county park authorities?

<span style="color: #0000ff">Honor System:</span>
I disagree with <span style="color: #ff0000">cccdad </span>but I understand where he's coming from. There's a club oriented mindset that's says play by the rules (safety 1st, etc.) or leave, however, an airfield set aside by the government (&amp; tax-payers) has created a new situation, the honor system. At a club, the rules are the rules. We ALL abide by them, that's one of the most important reason to join. Don't like 'em, leave or don't join.

Chicago has 2 dedicated airfields (city-owned forest preserves) and they treat the requirements of an AMA card like a driver's license. If someone is acting irresponsibly then the authorities (i.e., forest preserve police) arenotified by the<u>'safety marshall'</u>and they can and willdemand to see your AMA card.

Maybe a large sign detailing the importance &amp; need to "play fair" without being mandatory, might encourage an honor system. This won't guarantee that the honor system would be honored but it's a start to making it clearthat this not a private citizen telling another private citizen what to doon public land. It's theGOVERNMENT who put's the sign up and signs itwith agovernmentseal of approval. And on that sign, it should say that the 'safety marshall' will on occasion monitoractivites at this field and will have the responsibilty tonotified park police when needed. Let the police determine whether rules have been broken not the safety marshall.

<span style="color: #ff0000">cccdad </span>is just doing his job at this point. If <span style="color: #ff6600">2.4Flyer </span>can't produce the required AMA card to park police, he must leave.

James

804, we have the same situation here, let me see if i can explain it, it's political mumbo jumbo, in order for the "club" to use the field as a "club" they must be chartered with the ama, as for the sign, it means the club has the authority the enforce only the county rules, trust me, been there, done that, have the t-shirt

<span style="font-family: Times; font-size: medium; "><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; background-image: initial; background-repeat: initial; background-attachment: initial; -webkit-background-clip: initial; -webkit-background-origin: initial; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; background-position: initial initial; ">Who gave the safety marshal authority to ask for proof of AMA?  How would you feel if you went to a wal-mart or a mall, and a security guard came up to you, without reason, and asked you for a drivers license? It is the law to have a drivers license to operate a motor vehicle. Leave the guy alone. If i was the guy, I would call the county and state that I wish not to join the AMA for various reason, but I have other insurance policies that would cover any liability in case of an incident.  I'm sure the county would agree with that. I'm sure the only reason the county wants an AMA card is because they are not educated in the hobby.  <div>It is not law that you carry AMA to fly, so it could be argued in court that restricting someone to use public land just because said person is not part of a private organization could be considered a violation of individual rights as a consumer.</div></div></span>

srewinkle brings up the next serious issue, what I'm trying to do with my post are to share our clubs experiences (including legal advice the club was given) without writing a novel, the county can designate whoever they want to police their rules on property they have designated special use, ie flying fields, soccer fields, baseball daimonds,etc, as they have with ccc"s club, now the sign says "saftey marshals", so only those who are desinagted saftey marshals with the club may check for the ama cards, next issue with this comes up in, what happens when a person flying at the field without an ama card and something bad happens, and no saftey marshal was there to check this persons ama card? one guess who will proably be held responsible, as said in my first post, be careful

[quote:cccdad]Very Interesting responses. The Club is a chartered club with AMA a land use agreement with the county requires that we maintain the charter to use the feild. Proof of AMA is a part of the land use agreement. The county has posted signs giving authority to the Club ''Safety Marshalls'' to enforce flying site rules. I am the only ''Safety Marshall'' but what is not spelled out is how to enforce the site rules. [end quote]
Okay fellers, I give up.
I don't see how it can be stated any more clearly who the county has vested authority to run the flying site, than what is stated above.
Obviously, it is me that can't read.
So, you'll forgive me when I state that the ONLY question the OP needs an answer for, is, how does he enforce the rules, that I am obviously misreading.

No. I don't think it's you with the reading and comprehension problem.

Hmmm...eliminate the rule...problem solved. You're welcome...glad I could be some help…next.

I find it hard to believe, and maybe i am just not informed in these situations, that the county would give authority to a private organization to uphold the law on a public site.  This would open the door to a very disturbing possibility in the future.  I could then petition to have authority of the park by my house, then enforce any rule or law that my club feels necessary. I think the OP could misinfomred about how much authority he has, could he arret and charge a person who flys unsafely with reckless endagerment? Can someone fly at the field even if the OP is not there since he is the only safty marshall?  who would be there to make sure everyone posted their AMA card.<div>
</div><div>The silly thing is we are talking about a person not posting their AMA card so the OP can make sure he is current, even though he knows he is.  We are only hearing one side of the situation here.  </div><div>
</div><div>This situation is why I chose not to join a club. I don't need someone telling me when and how to fly, and have someone who may or may not know more than me check, or even fly my plane before I am allowed to.  And pay money for this.  I am thankful I have permission to fly on state trust land. </div>

Sounds like you guys might need to define the rules at club meetings , and a clear explanation as to why. Also the importance that all abide by the rules in the best interest of safety. The CLUB must enforce whatever rules you have in place in order for it not to become personal. Once its personal at the field, all fun goes out the window.

Good luck.

let me try it this way, a land use agreement is just that, you agree to USE the land as designated by the county, ie, flying fields-only flying, soccer fields- only soccer, ball diamonds, golf courses etc, etc, these agreements are to protect the county, not the clubs, ie, your land use agrement is for a flying field, your club signs the agreement then holds a clay pigeon shoot to raise funds for the club, somebody gets injured, the club is held solely responsible because you didn't "USE" the land as agreed. please remember i work for the city and maintain these properties so i know what a land use agreement is, now a land "lease" agreement is proably what your thinking of

as for enforcement, the county basicaly has the op's club doing the dirty work for them, if the club finds someone in violaton of the ama card rule, and that person refuses to stop flying, then the local law enforcement is called in

@ Kid Epoxy and Bkdavey I think both of your ideas are well though and have merit. I have started a log already. I think starting a general dialog with the county might be in order to see what there position is and make them aware of the AMA policy on non exclusive land use. I can just document what site rules he is not following without confrontation. and check his AMA status in Jan. Thanks for the input. I think if he still continues and We(the club) have made a reasonable effort to ensure compliance. The county can do what they want to enforce it further.

804, what identifies this guy as someone who has the authority to tell you to do anything?

In in fact there is a land use agreement for the flying field given to the clu, and that gives the cub the authority to enforce the rules, and This situation is bad enough the OP feels threatened, then cal the police, and have him trespassed from the property for not following the rules of the site.  Problem solved.  Mean guy goes away, and the power pill is taken..

You narrowed my question to the "T" enforcing the rules in the normal situation usually means a freindly reminder and at most a quick point to the posted AMA code or rule signage. There has not been an incident of a willful refusal to comply with the posted rules. Though as I posted above. I am not going to post an alterantive card or make a production or confrontation out of this. I will start the general dialog as how they want the site rules enforced and I will abide by their decision. If they want to pursue FCMG then they can have any documentation and decide what to do.

cccdad; i feel for you and your club and fully understand your frustration, as i said earlier, we went through the same problem, don't mean to paint a bleak picture, but don't be suprised if you get no help from the county, the three words that will make any gov employee go stupid is "I pay Taxes" and as long as the field is open to anyone with a current ama card, you'll see why no clubs around here have anything to do with the city's field, good luck

I, as well as you and everyone else here, can only go on what the OP has stated. If you, or anyone else , has evidence to the contrary, let's hear it.
And clearly, he has no authority to tell me to do anything, unless he is correct about his authority, and I want to fly at the club he represents.

I think following Bkdavey's advice will serve you well. Good luck.

I think the key problem is "'A long time pilot/FORMER club member.