RE: Safety Issues
 

Joe,

How about a practical real world test? I was at a big bird fly in today and there was LOTS of 3D stuff and several war birds and a few crazies. The 3D guys just calmly got out of the way when the crazies were up in their neck of the woods and at it and left room for the war birds and some guys shooting touch and goes.

I asked about this issue to see if anyone was all upset about it and was told the CD had some concerns but as no one complained he let it happen. I suspect that fairly well defines the problem as a local one that the CD has control over. The total lack of concern I saw, heard and experienced indicates that it probably is a personal thing.

The 3D'ers I was flying with were strong enough pilots to be concerned when I came around high and lost fire in the engine. I declared dead stick and they lifted up to allow me any spot I could get down on. They all watched as I salvaged a bad position and saved the plane. For those interested I know the ignition battery is good and hot, but the connection to the module may be bad or a bad pick up or a bad module. That will be determined Monday.

In short, we have been batting around more regulation in an area that I don't the the average flyer has many concerns. That does not mean there are no people out there with personality driven agenda's as you have noticed. What it does mean is that the community is generally smart enough to deal with it themselves without excessive intervention.

RE: Safety Issues
 

I guess that probably sums abt a third of it up. the cd knows there is stuff going on and if noone *****es to him he aint gonna do anything. then of course we have the other thirdthat get complained to and do something abt it then the last third that gets complained to and ignores it.

Yes more regulations for the flyers probably wouldn't be favorable or the best solution but I'm just not sure how making the cds do their jobs better would make anything more than is currently happening. if the cds dont enforce the rules now how is it going to change by putting it on their heads.

Take your example the cd knew there was to use your words crazy things going on but because noone complained refused to step in and stop it. I wasnt there so I dont know how crazy things were BUT according to what i see he just didnt want to do his job on his own to stop it. Like I said I wasnt there but how does the AMA force these cds that dont get complaints but know somethings wrong to do their job and stop it.

also glad ya got down safely and saved yer plane hope ya find the probs.

Joe

RE: Safety Issues
 

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Take your example the cd knew there was to use your words crazy things going on but because noone complained refused to step in and stop it. I wasnt there so I dont know how crazy things were BUT according to what i see he just didnt want to do his job on his own to stop it. Like I said I wasnt there but how does the AMA force these cds that dont get complaints but know somethings wrong to do their job and stop it.
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Due to a medical emergency within the family of the original CD, I had to jump in to take over for our Big Bird Fly-In this weekend. I was not all in the proper frame of mind for the event. Weather prevented the usual pristine manicure of the field and I tried to get together a set-up. However with the pilot's usual good help, everything went very smoothly.
Here is my standard Pilot-Briefing format for a Fly-In. Of course a few will push the envelope, however in all cases a little friendly reminder will take care of the problem. Be friendly and firm and TREAT ALL equally. I just don't have the problems that are expressed here.

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BY GAR, Dis is How Ve Does it!!!

1. Transmitter in Impound. Have the proper Frequency Clip if you have a transmitter
out.

2. Pilots have signed the AMA form that they have flown their airplane before,
therefore, pilots are responsible for the airplane's air worthy status.

3. All Engine Starts must be only with either a helper holding the airplane, or in a Start
Box, securely tied down. No engine running behind the fence line.

4. All pilots must have a spotter/helper in the Flight Box with them. If no buddy is
available, then request a Jetero Club member assist.

5. No take-off will be initiated inside the Safety Line, which is about 15 feet in front of
the Pilot Boxes.

6. The Safety Line goes around the world. Flying behind the Safety Line is a No-No and
irritates the CD somethin' fierce. Intentionally irritating the CD means time to
shower.

7. No Aerobatics on Take-Off. Aircraft must clear the runway prior to performing any
aerobatic maneuvers. Pilots and Spotters will assure no landing aircraft on
approach prior to taxing on the runway. Call entering RW.

8. Traffic Pattern directions will be observed, and all pilots will use the same pattern.
Pilots are permitted individual maneuvers (see below) and it is EACH pilot's
responsibility for situational awareness to avoid in-air & air-ground contact.

9. There will be NO High-Speed Passes, hovering, or aerobatics over the runway
when another pilot station is occupied. Passes, etc., along the outer side of runway
are OK. CD has the best depth perception. If an airplane is preparing to enter the
runway, then that pilot station is occupied.

10. Pilot and/or Spotter will call Landings and check the runway for a clear approach.
Aircraft at the lower altitudes have right-of-way for landings. Landing aircraft have
right-of-way over aircraft taking-off.

11. Do not make any high-speed Taxi into pit area.

12. Have a fun day and fly safely.
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RE: Safety Issues
 

Jim

Please define a crazy and what exact actions they were taking. It is not clear to me that you are or are not talking about safety concerns on the part of the CD. Please give a more explicit description of the scene you are describing.

JR

RE: Safety Issues
 

Horrace

Nice Post. This is what avoids problems and earns respect for a CD.

Congrats

RE: Safety Issues
 

YOU'LL DON'T KNOW WHAT A CRAZY IS?

For shame. Us crazies go places to have good clean safe FUN! Doing crazy things does not in any way mean unsafe.

Now as far as complaints go, there were NONE because we all were there having fun and NO safety violations occured.

RE: Safety Issues
 

Joe,
Glad I checked back in on your personal little tirade here. I see you quoted a post of mine out of context and sent it off to the EC. Glad Dave Mathewson blew you off for being the nutjob that you have demonstrated yourself to be.

I can't believe your a moderator on RCU and I'm sure the other moderators are embarrassed to be associated with you and your behavior here. Posting personal e-mails, forwarding posts out of context, mass e-mails to the EC and then crying two days later on a weekend when you don't get a response. What's next Joe? You gonna call Commissioner Gordan and have him get Batman on the case for you?

Anyone can see your on your own personal crusade to make people conform to your narrow little view of how others should enjoy the hobby. If anyone tells you to piss off you'll fly your plane at their's or report them to the EC. Tell us Joe how many times growing up did you tell the principle on the kids in the playground who wouldn't play by your rules?

Your poll is a joke, your "safety" issue is a joke and Joe, your a joke that nobody is taking seriously, especially anyone in Muncie who has read this thread.

RE: Safety Issues
 

Basin I dont see how it is out of context it is word for word from you abt flying over the runway. no matter how you look at it flying over the runway is a no no and a safety hazard when other aircraft are in the air. the runway must be open at all times for TO landings and emergencies.

Joe

RE: Safety Issues
 

Without reading the entire post, or the entire thread for that matter, makes it out of context but if I have to explain that to you than having this discussion is a waste of time.

I've posted here to give my opposing viewpoint so as to let anyone in a policy making position know that yours is not the only view of this matter. Having done that and seeing your here just to debate and antagonize without logic or reason I am done with you and this discussion.