So you're a civil engineer?

I did not inject wildlife into the discussion. I commented only to demonstrate that it's a much different problem, namely a naturally occurring issue vs. a man made one. I'm confining my discussion to the man made problem - the drones.

Inability to answer the question:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ama-...l#post12229152

Your mantra all along has been safety to manned aircraft. In the name of safety, why are you now ignoring overall safety to focus specifically on the "man made problem"?

I am considered an expert in aviation safety program management by virtue of graduating from the US Naval Aviation Safety School. Copy of box 14 of my DD 214 is provided as proof of graduation from that program, as is a description of the program from my DD Form 2586 Verification of Military Experience and Training (VMET).

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So, I am indeed a formally trained and designated Aviation Safety Officer ... otherwise known as an expert.

That sounds a lot like a Navy specific program.

Whether Navy (and Marine Corps) specific, USAF and USA each have their own similar schools. Many NTSB investigators have attended one of these three schools. So, let me get this straight, it's aviation specific, it includes accident investigation, program management, structures, human factors, safety law, and psychology - is taught at an accredited institution (at the time, Naval Post Graduate School) - and you're saying it's not valid?

Ok, how about citing your credentials then?

If you re-read my original post in its entirety you'll see that no where did I state that it is invalid. Was just confirming it is a Navy specific training program.

They would not necessarily be violating the FAR. Just not paying close attention because the drone is flying itself.

No mechanical but project engineer on multi discipline projects, such as building new buildings.

The AMA threads are traditionally negative in nature, pretty much no matter where you go. They are an organization that most of us belong to, many of us appreciate, and a small percentage here do not. The thread here also serve as a platform to complain about the FAA and Federal govt as well, rightfully so in many instances. For the most part I would say almost everyone here enjoys the hobby at the end of the day, however again, there is a small percentage that are vocal about the changes they have seen of late, ie the introduction of "non traditional" aircraft in the hobby. Change is difficult to accept sometimes.

I just found this: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/ques...troke-gas.html

Completely benign answer to the OP. The reply has nothing to do with FAA, government or changes in the hobby. It's getting old, just like me I guess.

We are all getting older...:(...something we all can agree on! :)

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well, Franklin is, after all, an Officer and a Gentleman.

Enlighten us Junky What is Frankie to polite to say? U tell us.

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There are lots of great places to fly your drones, but over or near a wildfire isn’t one of them. In fact, drone operators who interfere with wildfire suppression efforts are subject to civil penalties of up to $27,500 and possible criminal prosecution.
Here’s why it’s important: Aerial firefighting aircraft, such as airtankers and helicopters, fly at very low altitudes, just a couple hundred feet above the ground and in the same airspace as hobby and recreational drones. This creates the potential for a mid-air collision that could seriously injure or kill wildland firefighters in the air or on the ground.
As a result of unlawful drone operations near fires this year, fire managers have temporarily grounded all aerial firefighting aircraft on several occasions for safety reasons. Shutting down firefighting operations could cause wildfires to become larger and can threaten lives, property, and valuable natural and cultural resources.
The bottom line is “If You Fly, We Can’t."
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KEEP YOUR DRONE AWAY FROM WILDFIRES
There are lots of great places to fly your drones, but over or near a wildfire isn’t one of them. In fact, drone operators who interfere with wildfire suppression efforts are subject to civil penalties of up to $27,500 and possible criminal prosecution.
Here’s why it’s important: Aerial firefighting aircraft, such as airtankers and helicopters, fly at very low altitudes, just a couple hundred feet above the ground and in the same airspace as hobby and recreational drones. This creates the potential for a mid-air collision that could seriously injure or kill wildland firefighters in the air or on the ground.
As a result of unlawful drone operations near fires this year, fire managers have temporarily grounded all aerial firefighting aircraft on several occasions for safety reasons. Shutting down firefighting operations could cause wildfires to become larger and can threaten lives, property, and valuable natural and cultural resources.
The bottom line is “If You Fly, We Can’t."
Please fly responsibly – keep your drone away from wildfires.
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Mike

I've been accused of that, but in fact I have no real problem with non-traditional aircraft, i.e. multirotors, in the hobby with the reasonable condition that they are operated under the same rules that are applied to traditional hobby aircraft. There should be no special rules crafted to accommodate them.
I do have a problem with the AMA's pursuit of the commercial sUAS market, whether involving traditional aircraft or not. It is clear that is where AMA is headed, for example in the Senate version of the FAA Re-authorization Bill. AMA favors it over the house version, as it includes a clause that would grant AMA (as the only qualifying non-profit CBO) monopoly concessions in conduct of sUAS operator training. It's highly unlikely the market for such training will come from the ranks of hobbyists. So yeah, having our hobby models lumped in with commercial unmanned aircraft by the organization that supposedly protects us from the regulatory process is change I won't accept quietly.

It doesn't take being a PIC to know about aviation but since you did ask. I personally don't have a pilots license. I do, however, have extensive training in aviation through the Navy as well as through civilian repair and maintenance facilities. At the moment, I get to watch new jets roll out of the factory every day. I've also had the pleasure of being involved in the repairing of aircraft damaged by bird strikes and replacing engines that had things as innocent as "Bic" pens sucked through them. A common modification on the 737s flying in Alaska is a "Vortex diffuser). Do any of you experts know what that one is and why it's needed?
That being said, I do have to keep up in what's going on in aviation as part of my present job. To not keep up with the what, how, why and when would have me out of a job very quickly. Knowing how a nose radome is constructed, for example, is something I have to be aware of even though someone walking onto a passenger jet wouldn't think twice about it. Then again, I don't hear any of the so called armchair experts claiming to have flown below 500ft AGL at 500+ knots, though I bet Franklin has. Then again, I guess it's a mute point as well since at least one person in this thread will ask for proof of doing so

You mean you can't figure that one out? If I was Franklin, I would have told several in this thread to KMA on more than one occasion. Enough said

Participation in this forum is strictly on a voluntary basis. Anyone can choose to stop participating at any time.

What would that have actually accomplished?

Does that include the self righteous "wanna be" experts like you as well?