Anyone know anything about this? Mainly is it just a re-skined version of the old one? I wouldn't think, but......

Dave

http://horizon.hobbyshopnow.com/prod...p?prod=HAN1175

I have been considering this plane. One thing I do see different from the original is the wings seem to be built up rather than foam sheeted. The original was a very good plane except for one thing. It was too heavy (26-28 lbs). Built up wings would lighten the plane a bit. The advertised weight is 22-24 lbs. A weight of 22 lbs (maybe with a zdz 80) would be awesome for a plane this size. The new color scheme is better too.

Greg

I'll tell you guys all about it in 3 or so days-depending on ups!


HELL YEA-I ORDERED ONE!

Chief Aircraft has plenty of 'em

COOL

Please give us the skinny on this bird when you get it. LHS told me this morning they were back ordered.

The original has built up wings. However, they are fully sheeted which makes them a bit heavy. Same goes for the tail. The construction of this plane looks exactly the same except for the lack of full sheeting on the wings and maybe tail.

Thanks for the clarification Ryan. I had always thought there was foam under the sheeting on the original. They redesigned the wings on the original with two servo bays and lighter weight. Were those built up sheeted also or were they sheeted foam?

Greg

Not sure about the updated wing on the old version; my plane is the single aileron servo version. I imagine it was the same construction with a new servo pocket cut, but I can't say for sure.

The new Extra 330S shares much of the same layout as the original Extra 330L, except it has a single place canopy. The construction however is very different. The new extra has been revised and is built much in the same way as the 1/3 scale cap and the sukhoi. The wings are much lighter on the new extra, and the fuse is lighter and also braced better along the sides to prevent the fuse side from pushing in when installing the wings etc. Overall the new extra has many improvements over the original extra.

And there we have folks, right from the horses mouth.
Thanks


Flyfalcons,

Are you running a twin in yours? If so what is it and does it fit completely within the cowl? (no cutouts for the plugs)
Wondering if a DA or ZDZ twin will fit.

Dave

My H9 Extra has a GT-80 in it. Good for Intermediate sequence flying but Advanced and Unlimited need more. The engine fits with a couple small cut outs for the front of the mufflers. No cutouts for the spark plugs. A DA-100 will require cutouts for the spark plugs if the cowl dimensions on the new one are the same (I'm willing to bet they are). If they get the weight down on the new one, then the GT-80 would be a good choice, otherwise go with a ZDZ-80 or DA-100.

Hey Ryan;

I was looking at that ZDZ 80, how much of a "shaker" is it. I think i'll be able to get it light with that engine-but I have no experience with that brand-are they reliable runners-may go the twin route-just haven't decided yet.

Everyone needs a winter project

The ZDZ 80 is a sweet engine, especially for the price. It shakes some, but less than a couple 3W 100s that I've seen. Very reliable engine. JohnVH has a couple vids of his Sukhoi with a ZDZ-80 if you want to see one in action. By far the smoothest twin I've seen is the GT-80, but the ZDZ will give you more thrust for hovering and other maneuvers. The DA's smoothness is between the GT-80 and ZDZ-80. I haven't seen any ZDZ-100s so I can't comment on them, but if it is the same quality as the 80 then you'd have a winner.

I would like to lighten up my old 330L and want to know if the new S wings will plug right in to my old fuse. If anyone has access to both to try it and let me know it would be great! My 330L weights 26.5 with Graphtech landing gear and 3W85 Lite twin and it could stand to be a couple pounds lighter for better performance. I might even try adding a carbon fiber wing tube to help it out a bit. It's a great performer and would be fantastic if under 24 pounds. Thanks, Kent.

Hey Guys,
You could lighten things up by using the newer LiPo battery packs, they weigh about 1/2 as much as Nicds and Nimh, and offer about 3 times the capacity.
I am working on hanging my DA100 on my 330L, and as Don from Don's Hobby Shop had informed me, the BME102 will fit inside the cowl without cutting spark plug holes, as it is much more narrow. The BME is an awesome engine to boot. I went with the DA for it's torque curve, and the heavier weight over the BME to offset 4 digital alum case Futaba servos in the tail. (Although still lighter than the Zenoah's, the DA will help balance without adding weight, the BME will probably require you to use a heavy spinner, prop , batteries up front (but not too close to the ignition) and probably need some lead (unless you want a aft CG)

Well, here's an update-Chief said the Extra 330's were "on back order", which kind of pi$$ed me off since they didn't bother to tell me that on the phone-SO-I cancelled my order and got a GREAT deal at my LHS on a SU-31 (Hangar9)-out the door for $725 plus tax!

I thought that was too good to pass up.

Then went out to the field to watch a Hangar9 SU31 and the BIG Ultimate fly, I was impressed.

Ryan-that 3W 106 shakes pretty bad, and is 2 times as much power as that SU31 needs-I'm leaning towards the ZDZ80 single, I was just wondering how "user friendly" it is since I have no exp. with this line of engines. Where's a good place to order one?

Thanks

The guy to talk to about the ZDZ 80 on a Sukhoi is JohnVH. My experience is limited to watching him run it and flying the plane a couple times. With a MenzS 26-10, the Sukhoi can easily fly out of a hover. I believe Chief sells the ZDZ 80, but you can search around the other online shops as well as RC Showcase. From what I remember, the 80 started right up and needed very little adjustment during the break-in process.

You can watch John's vids on his site to get an idea of how the plane performs with that engine. I know the newest video is with the Menz prop, not sure about the others.

www.rcsites.net/johnvh

Anyone know the projected release of these line of ARFs?



Steven

Thanks man!

Hey FormerCA,
Chief seems to be lacking in the customer relations department, huh?
The ZDZ's seem to leak gas out the carb at idle, seen it first hand, and have heard the same from many others......One guy said to try a velocity stack, but no confirmation on that yet, and that rear carb is fun to mount too, performance is good, but your gonna have to add dead weight to balance the plane out. I would go with a twin from BME, or DA instead. In the long run, your probably gonna be more happy.

A guy at our field has the H9 Sukhoi with a ZDZ 80, flies great, but mounting the engine was fun and needs some work getting full throw from the carb. He needed 1.6lbs of lead in the nose to balance, I would imagine that is because H9 designed the plane around the Zen Twin 80 which has more weight.

I'm going to wait till the H9 Extra pops up online around the $600 range like the Sukhoi has.

uhoh, that sucks-leaking fuel-

Hell, I might go with a twin-i'm just now in the process of gearing up so the engine choice is up for grabs.

Customer service! Chief must have hired dave patrick

try a FPE 5.8 26x10 apc prop great combo

I have a smaller FPE 2.4 in my Sig Extra 300XS, great engine, how does the 5.8 run and fly this plane?

Hi FormerCA...

I have a ZDZ80 was in my 26.75 lb Edge 540T... flew it well... and would pull out of a hover slowly...

I am moving it to a Lanier Laser 200 closer to 22 lbs...

I also just got a BME 110 Extreme... it really is an unbelievably small engine weighing less than 5 lbs with ignition AND mufflers... I also have a DA-100 both of these have homes, but no time to get it done... I'm gonna put the DA in the Edge and the BME in a Wild Hare Extra...

For a smaller, lighter plane like the H9 Extra, I'd sayt he 80 would rock it... but if you wanted carzy power, the 110 Extreme would offer it without any additional weight...

We'll have to see if the 110 can last ling with all the weight reduction...

Thanks man-this one's going in the Sukhoi. I'm hopeing to get in at 24 pounds rtf, was that ZDZ pretty user friendly?