i have been busy over the last couple of months can you all bring me up to speed on what is the best arf going right now for IMAC and 3d as i have a brison 3.2 lying around....

This was recently asked in another forum, but I can't remember which one... [:@]

I recall that the Extreme Flight RC 28% Yak-54 was prominently mentioned... As was the 80" H9 Cap 232 and the Great Planes Patty... I have an Aeroworks 29% Edge 540 with a Brison 3.2. Excellent plane, but not an ARF... [:@]

Krazy, Welcome back, havn't seen you in a while. I have a Brison 3.2 on a GP Patty Wagstaff and the only bad thing I can say about it is that there are too many of them at my field. The reason is that it's a well built, great flying plane at a good price. Check the two large threads to get some other opinions.

Galen, as for the other two planes you mentioned, I searched and someone correct me if I am wrong (like I need to ask) but I don't think the YAK is available yet. I also was told by a flying friend that owners of the H9 Cap are being told to add an additional servo on each wing because of flutter problems.

Tough question, the problem is what makes a good IMAC is not the best for 3-D. The GP Wagstaff is smooth and and precise and a wonderful IMAC platform, it will also 3-D fairly well. The Kangke Texas Hurricane is much better at 3-D and will fly an IMAC sequence fairly well, but not as good as the Wagstaff. I have never flow a plane that was great at both. To fly IMAC it's best to have a clean airframe that will hold constant speed through all the maneuvers, for 3-D the ability to rapidly bleed speed is an advantage. You should decide what you like best and lean in that direction.

thanks so far guys are you all know i have the 29% edge that is the plane on my profile picture 350+ flights....

GalenB
i have checked on extreme flight website from time to time and since i am not up on the scoop the last i remember from months ago is he did not accept the bad products that had been made. And now it seems a far reach.. Extreme Flight RC 28% Yak-54

BasinBum
thanks for the welcome back i will look at that patty i know what you mean that scheme took off around here 1 year ago.

OUTCAST
I had never thought of your points but i know my edge will slow down very rapidly. I never did know that was a strong 3d trait. I know all the time a new design like is always hitting out airways. I know back in the day my sig cap and extra were my outstanding flying planes with the cap 231 being the 3d machine. We were also told and could see that the sig extra just had to small of a stab to elevator ratio to really do the 3d stuff. I have never seen the line up of katana, 330, edges that are the design of today flying so i knew you all could bring me up to speed. It just seems today you can have both as i hear all the boys say on the coming out kits this thing does both 3d and imac very well. I hear that alot from the 330 line up of extra do you all know what i mean?

I will do a look for that thread that was brought up in over the past months.

There is really no such thing as an Extra 330, it's the same airframe as the Extra 300 and although Extra did put 330 hp engines in them they were still called 300's. You correct in that your Edge bleeds speed faster than a Extra and the Texas Hurricane looks just like an Edge with larger control surfaces. IMAC sequences are smooth an constant {for the most part} but 3-D goes through some rapid speed changes so there is an advantage to a draggier airframe especially on the down lines. Thats the one of the reasons you can't put large control surfaces on a pattern plane and expect it to do well in 3-D, but it will have no problem with IMAC sequences. Also with 3-D it's very important that the ailerons go almost all the way to the wing root, in very high alpha, vectoring the prop blast is the only control you have.

Go to www.wildhare.com
The Edge is a perfect plane for what your looking for.
Also, if your willing to wait a month or so, WH is releasing 3 different Extras in the 28% class that will fit your requirements as well.

Chris is still working on getting the Yaks... I got mail from him last week that said the Yaks will leave the factory in 50-60 days... He's also changed the design a bit to make using a tuned pipe easier. I kept my pre-order from last summer and I have a DA-50 and tuned pipe sitting in the garage... I think the wait will be worth it -- plus I'm not out any money...

Check out the Wildhare ARFs. 84ich ws and 1390sqin of wing. My buddy has the 3.2 and is also getting one of these. did a lot of looking and wanted some thing that flew light and could 3D.

Good luck
Brian

GalenB
If it is really to be in the us in the next 75 days i am very intrested in that bird, i like the fact about the pipe room as i love to run a pipe for the power and quietness.

rodg2039
i will defently look at wildhard i love those square inches of wing area. Which version has this the extra or edge?

Krazc, me and one of my flying buddies have been looking for the ultimate solution in a 50cc gasser. I've compared the specs of the ones that have been listed and was really leaning toward the wildhare edge until I looked into the extreme flight Yak. If it's as light as they say AND it's designed around the DA50 AND it's ready for a pipe, then how could you go wrong? I don't like the looks of Yaks, simply because I don't like round fuselages, but after seeing the video I'd have to say it's beautiful. The wing loading is MUCH lower than any other comparable plane...definitely the 'deciding factor' for me.

If you had the time to do a little building the CA Models 27% Extra 300L would certainly be worth a look. I've got the 31%. I wish I had bought the 34%...maybe next time!

-Tom

All three Extras share the same wing loading...aprox 1370 sq inches, same as the Edge.
They designed these planes to fly exellent on a Zenoah G-62, and the lighter the engine....you get the idea.
With 20 thousand G-62's allready out there in service, it really made sense to me.

Would an Ultimate have good IMAC characteristics?

Yes.
Unfortunatly the Ultimate doesn't have as big of a foorprint as the larger stuff, therefore the judges don't score it as high, at least that's how it is here on the left coast.
Fair?
No. reality sure.

Don't tell Chip Hyde, after all didn't win the last TOC with an Ultimate?

It's kinda funny to read how everyone is comparing nonexistant planes. Yaks and WH Extras? I'll believe all the hype when I see one for sale. Untill then 1300+ sq.in. under 17lbs.(the max wieght your gonna want for a 50cc to 3D) is a myth.

Gerald,

I was at the Extreme Flight RC shop today and will show you pics as soon as I get home of the new Yak 54.
This plane is being made by a new manufacturer and is something that really needs to be seen to be appreciated.
It will change how people view ARF's.

Is backAfter30=Gerald? Is Gerald the same Gerald who was touching the Giles with the sign on it that said "Do not touch" today at the AMA show?

Gerald = Krazyc

Imagine that, two guys on RCU named Gerald! Who would have thunk it?

Before you start talking out the side of your neck BB, the question was IMAC, not TOC.
And if you DID have any experience with IMAC, on the left coast, with regards to judging, you wouldn't have made such a less than intelligent comment.
So just so I'm clear, was your point to bash me, or to get into this thread just to bash the next new planes that are coming?
OH, wait, their a myth...that's right, it's all just hype.
ELDON

Sorry Eldon, next time I get into a thread I'll ask your permission first. And I don't get that expression "talking out of the side of your neck", what the heck does that mean anyways? Shouldn't you have said "talking out of your *****" since that is what you appearantly are accusing me of?

I got into this thread to suggest the Patty as a viable option if Krazy wanted to get a plane in the near future and I'm not bashing the other planes since they I have never seen one for sale. Besides I think the Patty is a pretty good all around plane and the differance as I understand between flying it and the Hurricane would be pretty minor. If you want it to do IMAC style flying go with a 20x10 and if you want 3D go with a 22x8 and move the CG back a little, makes a big differance on mine. I just like the airfoiled tail on the Patty and all around construction but what do I know since I'm not an IMAC competetor and judge as you seem to be.

Krazyc,

Pics are now posted in [link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1323230/mpage_1/key_/anchor/tm.htm#1420696]this[/link] thread.

Pics start on post #16

thanks Wayne i am headed there now

here are the photos guys this baby is huge!
Wayne what servos are you running on the DA-50 Set-up?

low wing loading like it's cool.


Wayne says this is how it comes out the box.

Gerald,

I am not currently flying one.
Chris Hinson is using Hitec 5945's on the elevators and ailerons I believe and a larger (im not too familiar with Hitec servos) on the rudder pull pull. (single servo for the rudder)

I may go with 8411's and and an 8611 for the rudder on mine.

FYI,
That last pic that Geral posted is of the 68" Baby Yak.
Same construction as the larger version.