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If you think thats amazing the 87" Extreme Flight Yak 54 will weigh 14.5lbs-16lbs depending on motor and there weights are accurate. Its extremely easy to lose a lb off of just the airframe. Using contest grade balsa can save a lb, no ply except for firewall and high stress area.
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I get a 404 error when I hit the enter me now button on the web site??? In reality the plane will probably weigh close to 16, but we will see, after all noone has one yet. gear and tube choice will save more weight than all the balsa in the plane IMO. remember the down side to very light is if you dork it you pick up splinters
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Dopn't re-enter... it took it, the link is broke to teh "you have been entered page"...
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J.
The site looks good. I have been considering going to a gasser for my next project and depending on a few other factors, (like money for one), this looks like a good prospect. Like the color schemes. Can't wait to hear what others think when they get them in the air. T. P.S., when are the winners of the Maniac going to be announced?? |
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I would assume as soon as they are close to being in stock...
I am a freelance designer and don't have that close of ties with the inner workings of any of my customers. But I try and get as much info as possible to share with RCU community... You'll be subscribed to this thread now and will notifications of people getting them, first reports... etc. Keep in mind that this plane is a little closer in price to the WH Edge as it costs another $70 for the hardware kit... The BME doesn't come with the control hardware but it does have the wheels, tailwheel and basic hardware. I guess when all is said and done you'd have about $30 more inthe BME Edge over the WH... |
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Yes, I have a pretty good idea of what I am in for as far as a model like this is concerned money wise. I just have to get my son to figure out which college he is going to attend this fall so I can decide whether or not to sell my soul to the Devil or just a few fingers and toes....That will determine if I get one now or later...
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I'm new at building airplanes, (only been douing it about 18 months) but have building one thing ar another all my life..just want to know what the defination of "contest grade balsa" is? I have been purchasing basla via various sources and am almost finished building a GP extra 330L and I didn't like some of the balsa included, (great kit though) and ordered more from balsausa. I just got the standard stuff though. I've got one of these edges on order and want to know how to inspect it. How should I review the grade of materials?
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Maudib, the new BME web site looks good. A few blanks fulled in and I think you will have a winner! As soon as my 540 gets here I'm ready to go. FPE 3.2, Hitec 5645 on elevator and ailerons, 5945 on rudder,PCM of course, Dave Brown 3 1/2 Ultimate spinner, 1200 NiMh ignition, 1650 on receiver & Rocket City hardware. I will most likely go to carbon fiber gear when it comes in. Get the sealing Iron and epoxy ready, fun time is upon us!:D
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CryHanoc,
Contest grade balsa is the lightest stuff balsa offered... it is classed as 4-6 lb balsa. Meaning one cubic foot would weigh between 4 and 6 lbs... "Standard" balsa will run anywhere between 6-12 lbs... literally up to twice as heavy... Contest and regular balsa is also cut into 3 categories of grain... A Grain, B Grain and C Grain. A grain is tangent cut and shows long grain lines and no short lines... it is good for curved surfaces, planking etc. because it bends easy across the sheet C Grain is quarter cut and has mostly short grain and a lot of mottle... great for fuse sides, sheeting, ribs formers, etc... very stiff across the sheet, more prone to split if bent across the sheet. B grain is a combination of the two called random cut... It is more multi purpose, but if the other two are at hand use them for their specific job and fit these in where needed for "fill" Contest grade shouldn't be used everywhere in the manufacture of a plane as it is softer, less stiff and not as strong. Items like ribs derive their strngth from the wood and should be heavier... Sheeting derives it's strength from the spanning (or the mterials willingness to stretch) and can be lighter, tho I prefer not contest for this either... I'll hand pick the lighter 7-8 sheets for this.... Stick balsa is a great place to use contest balsa... it usually is structure that derives strenght from spanning AND geometry. And can make a big difference as would any block balsa... rudder "sockets" using contest balsa block would be very light... but using standard COULD require as much as 3-4 extra oz in the nose to balance... The variance in standard balsa is HUGE... I take a grain scale to my LHS who caries a good selection... I have weighed sheets that come in at .5 oz and the very next sheet weigh 1.2... that is a lot when you figure that wing sheeting alone could on a plane this size could use maybe 20 sheets... if you erred on the heavy side it could easily add up to 10 OZ JUST IN WING SHEETING!!! Now.. on the BME Edge... I doubt seriously that anything in the plane is contest grade balsa on purpose... It runs about 50% more in cost. However, the range of 8-12 lb in a standard shipment CAN be hand sorted for lighter material. This easily could save a full lb on an aircraft this size... If the total balsa used weighs 4 lbs using 8-10 lb material vs. 5-6 using 10-12 lb material... The remaining heavier material is either purposely used where required or more likely sold off in batches to less discrimating companies or companies using it for other purposes than models. Perhaps a little more info than you wanted... but it was some info I gleaned when getting into scratch building... - JDavid |
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1200 NiMh ignition, 1650 on receiver & Rocket City hardware That's why, i am going to go with Fromeco pack li-ion 2200 mamp like MAudib next time. The digitals servos pull more amps than standard servos Daniel |
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Acutally Maudib, that's exactly the type of info I was looking for. My next building project is going to be the Cobra Bipe. I've already got the plans and just have to put together my materials list. Thanks for the info, it will come in VERY handy.
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Just got my letter requesting payment. It said they're ready to SHIP! My money will be in their hands MONDAY! WAHOO!
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Bad news, delay in shipping. Max told me the Edge will not be at BME Aircraft untill the first week of July.[:o]
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Yeah, got the same message. I'm not going to be able to wait any longer. Gotta get a plane up and going. Told Max to put me in next batch. Sigh.... Will be watching closely for first build and flight reports though!
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Anyone got one yet? I saw on their website it saids they are in stock and many had been ship out. I had"nt got my yet.
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That notice was placed with the expectation that they were on time a week ago... but the delay (already mentioned here by others) is not reflected.
It doesn't actually say they shipped, just that many were gone, meaning spoken for... The good news is that it is July 1st and they should be shipping any day now.... so we should start hearing reports of some of us getting 'em in by the end of next week.... Yehaw! |
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I jest received an email from Max about another delay July 20-23. This is getting old but I think I'm going to hang in there.[:@]
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I tried and tried to hold off...sigh... but couldn't wait anymore. Max called a couple of days ago and said there'd be another delay, so I bought another plane. Gonna keep a real close eye on this though.
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I was talking with Max at BME Aircraft. Finally some good news, shipping is moved up! They are to start going out next week. I sure hope this is true.[8D]
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Being new in the industry can hold some hidden pitfalls... We've seen it with every manufacturer.
What I was told was that BME received a great deal of preorders and decided to have a smaller shipment sent to cover all preorders and have a few in stock. It turned out that most ships were already booked but after some searching they selected a reputable shipping company that bid a fair price only to find out after the ship had left that they would "drop off" the planes on thier route which turned out to be multiple stops. However, confirmation now says they will arrive in the U.S. (Washington State) on the Tuesday the 13th. The second shipment, which was shipped with what will be their regular shipping company was shipped on time and will arrive on the heals of the first shipment... Saturday the 17th. I too have been discouraged by the delays, (I could have been flying the WH Edge I sold for a month now) it IS encouraging to know that BME was trying to make things faster and taking a profit cut in order to do so. Production delays, shipping delays, customs delays... it's no wonder that all the manufacturers have problems getting their ducks in a row. I'm hopeful that these Edges's will really be the cat's meow... Max has shown a lot of excitement when talking about them and insists they are nicely crafted and fly great. I guess we'll all find out starting in a week or so... |
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Man , i wait to get my hands on one of these baby's !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I would like to hear from anyone that gets this kit. What hardware and engines ect. What comes with the kit and the quality of covering etc from unbiased and non-BME connected sources. The plane looks to be built to fly much more than the other that is built much heavier. I may let both first shippments go by before ordering just to see what bugs and or problems come up. There are so many new planes this year that are just not out or very slow to get out. I hope this company can do it!~)
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Hey guys... just got off the phone with Max at BME and he told me the shipment has arrived!
It's been a long wait and as I watched my buddies fly thier WH Edge & Extras I began to wonder if I made the right choice in selling my WH Edge... Fortunately I've been flying the Double Vision and enjoying it so it's not been too bad... Can't wait to get it... The second shipment is on time and due in the harbor on Saturday so there will be plenty for new orders. |
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I also talk to MAX today he said they will start shipping on friday.
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Good, I was getting antsy. I sure hope its 1.5 Lbs less then the WH and is built well. Needless to say fly well also. To bad it was not here now the weather is rain in Pa and looks like it will be for this weekend.[:o]
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Hi Ronk
I do not want to kill your hopes but i really doubt a plane in similar size and wing area to WH Edge can weigh 1.5 lbs less for the same hardware and engine. We are talking about ARF here, not builder kits... Anyway good luck whith your project. I am going to read all posts on this thread. I have a DA-50 sitting around waiting for WH Edge or BME edge:D. We'll see! |
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Scoub... you've already determined in a earlier post that the BME Edge will have similar (actually a little less) wingloading due to it having a little less wingarea.
The difference will be that the engine will be draggin' around 1.5 lbs less weight... increasing the power to weight ratio significantly. Mine and my buddies WH Edges came out to right at 18 lbs with smoke... 17 1/4 without. Another club members WH Extra was 18 lbs without smoke... He's had to fix stab and wing incidences... one stab side was 1/2 degree off and the other 1 degree. Mine has an aileron hardpoint installed 1/2" off from the other requiring that I install another hardpoint to match the geometry. Almost every other hardpoint had to be redrilled because they were all drilled crooked (especially the rudder). Wingtube was too short and very tight, paint chips & runs on the cowl, etc. The answer to these things was "It's reflected in the price." Lots of guys are loving the WH Edge and love the way it flies... it will be interesting to see what is "reflected in the price" of the BME. At 17+ lbs, a 50cc is at it's upper limit and comes out of a hover slowly... drop another 1.5 lbs plus and... :) But it's all conjecture until some of the Edges reach their anxiously awaiting new owners... I'm one... and I do hope they meet expectations just like evryone else... for me, the WH was somewhat of a dissappointment... and to this day I still can't figure out how they advertised it as 15.5-17 lbs (17 lbs exactly with a G-62)... :eek: |
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I just ordered the BME 30% edge 540 today, cant wait to get it in!!! Needed a plane to replace the pheniox models 74 inch SU-31.
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Max told me that my Edge would be shipped today but no e-mail from him confirming that is was.[:@]
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I talk to Max today he told me it will be a couple more days he said they need more documents for the shipment to clear customs.
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At least we now know they "exist" and are going out any day...
Would have been a great building weekend.... rain, rain and more rain... ;) |
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When I ordered my edge, they told me it would be today, monday the 19th when they would start shipping. I tell ya what, cant wait to get it in!
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Maudib, do you know when the on line instruction manual will be updated for the BME Edge? Max said the first shipment will not have instructions with them; they will need to be downloaded. After waiting this long hearing this is a bunch of @#*^. The people that get them will need to know CG, travels, etc. Whats on there now falls a little short :eek:. From building and flying other Edges I can come close but man, what is Max thinking[:@]? The good news is that my Edge is to be shipped 7-21.
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I emailed about my edge, havent heard a thing back form them, but that was yesterday, might take a few days, i hope.
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Ronk,
I don't have anything to do with the writing of the manual other than posting it on their site... In fact I really have no "pull" or say at all... I'm a web developer that was contracted to develop & maintain their site... I would think there will be the critical info available by the time everyone needs it... CG, recommended throws, building caveats... etc... Cool beans on the shipping tho... can't wait to get my hands on it... |
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Maudib, I was not trying to put any blame on you. If that is how I came across I do apologize. Max said he has the manual completed but has not had time to "get it to my web site builder". Jest seeing if you had any info.;)
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No apology needed...
I just wanted to clarify that I wasn't directly associated with BME or any of my other design customers. When I see a plane I like, I talk about it. If I have issues I don't suppress them. (as is the case with the WH Edge... I think Tom is a great guy and has been a pleasure doing business with, AND while the WH Edge is a good plane, there were just to many things about it that I just didn't care for. The Double Vision on the other hand (yes I do Chip's site too) is an awesome plane... the instructions are goofed up, the covering doesn't stick to itself very well, and it's heavier than I was originally led to believe.... but I did say awesome... and it is. Everytime I fly the plane it is a sheer joy. It's very capable, walls like a Yak, flatspins nicely, locks into a hover like no other plane I've flown and lands like a feather... I do wish it was 15-16 lbs so that the DA-50 had more umph out of a hover, but at 17 (+ an oz or two) it flies very light and I hope the DA-50 will pick up the power with some time on it and when I switch to synthetic oil and a 22x10. Didn't mean to "push the DV" here, but my point is this... if the BME is a dissapointment... I'll be the first to sell it and share my take on it... if it's a winner, then (like anyone else who likes their stuff) will promote it and the company that makes it because I want them to succeed and bring even more great planes to market. It's my personal goal to find the best flying aircraft (for me). I love the DV and 68" Yak... my two favorite planes... I really am hoping that the 87" Yak is even better than the 68" as EF suggests... EF isn't a customer, but has brought some phenomenal planes to market... I promote them on that premise only. Back to the manual.... I haven't heard anything from Max, but will contact him today... the moment I get the manual, I'll convert it to PDF and put it online... and this thread will be the first to know about it. |
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Just got off the phone with Max. He said the plane should be shpped tommarrow or the day after. should arrive the fallowing week, dont know bout ya'll, but im getting excited!!!!:D
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I asked Max about the manual... he said it was indeed complete and was going to try and e-mail it to me for web preparation...
Will let ya know when it's up... |
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Good news guys they're shipping the edges today,I had talk to Max this morning he said my will be ship today so I'm thinking if they shipped early enough
today I might get it tomorrow or monday the latest. |
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