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This airplane goes together fast. Engine in, one side of surfaces hinged, wings and stabs on, vinyl graphics on. The graphics took a little thought, the sticky face comes separate. This must be for shipping reasons. After you see how to do them its very easy. I checked all of the incidents; they are right on. I hope all of them are as good:D. BTW the four stars (two on the wing two on the rudder) are gone. I think they looked bad, It looks cleaner with out them. They also looked like a Chinese flag:eek:.

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Go baby go!

Get 'er in the air and let us know...

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;)Hi;How I got my WH-Edge to 16.2 lbs DA-50 With slimline pitts muf. Carbon fiber wing tube,landing gear, and wheel pants, and tail wheel. One reciever, two Jaccio reg. Powerflite lith 2000 on ignition, 2400 on reciever. One JR-8611 pull-pull on rud, two JR 8411 one on each wing, and two JR 8411 on each elev half. Two lite weight 3 1/2 wheels. No pilot or inst. panel. Used all Nelsons hardware. The DA-50 is an awsome engine its lite and gets stronger w/each gal and very smooth.I am using 22-10 NX prop, I just ordered a NX 24-8 this will improve proformance even more. This plane was out of the first batch delievered bought through Tom at WH. My CG is at 4 3/4 from leading edge of wing. I would like to set up a BME this way, I think this compenation would be awsome. Good luck everyone. I"ll be waiting for the first flight report.

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Nice setup... that would probably do it!

Yeah, on the BME... I am really expecting somewhere between 15.5 and 16 lbs stock... so 15 lbs should be doable with that lighter stuff... it would save maybe 3/4 lbs itself...


Where did you get the CF wingtube?

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Does anyone know FOR SURE what type of covering they use on the EDGE? Hopefully (like WH) they use Ultracoat/Oracover, or at least Monocote. I learned my lesson years ago with cheap, thin, low-cost budget films...

Thanks,
Lee

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Others have reported it in neither, but rather an off brand that is a bit transparent. One gentleman sent his Pitts Challenger back because he didn't like the covering (he could see the wood through the covering). I don't think I would send it back because of that but he sure was disappointed.

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As I stated a few posts back... the covering is NOT Ultra/Monokote... It's another brand.

I can't speak for the Challenger, but the Edge I have here looks beautiful... no transparency (except for the stars white on dark colors, which I too am removing).

You get the normal lighter areas where light passes thru the lightening cutouts in the fuse sides.

Other than that the covering appears to be strong and sticks to itself VERY well. Removing the stars left some glue residue that was easily removed with Monokote trim solvent.

However, if Mono/Ultra cote is a prerequisite... this plane is not for you.

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;) Hi; You can get difference sizes CF tubes from Desert Aircraft.

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Airo-RCU
16.2lbs is the best i have read in RCU for WH Edge...

1) Did you replace the tail tube by CF too?
2) Do you know the weight of these Jaccio volt regulators and the max amp?

Nice set-up man!

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;) Thanks for the complement. A little pricee but well worth it. No CF tail tube, I couldn't find anyone who makes them. The Jaccio reg are light [never weigh them] very dependabe never ever had any proplems. The max amps ranges between 5.6 to 5.8. Just right. I am looking forward to hear about the new BME and how they fly. I was looking at an 87" YAK, this also looks darn good.:D What do you think; 87" YAK w/DA-50 up front w/a 22-12 prop?:eek:

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I have seen a video somewhere here in RCU with the EF YAK87'' DA50, 15.5lbs and a tune pipe! Probably unlimited vertical at 1/3 throttle!:D
Chris Hinson flies his plane like an helicopter;)

Here: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_19...tm.htm#1976855

Daniel

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;) Great video, that YAK is awsome. Thanks for the info. I think I'am going to get the 87" YAK for now, and put my new DA-50 in it. I'll give the BME a couple of months before I pick one up.:D

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The 87" Yak is likely to be the best aircraft for 2004/2005...

It's not available yet tho... If all goes well they are supposed to get them in around the end of August/1st of September...

Still if you want one, get on the list...

- J. David

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All the parts are on, all I need to do is the final touches :D! We do have a flying weight though 15 Lbs 10 oz not bad, not bad at all[8D]. The only change from stock is a Graph Tech tail wheel. I do question the recommended CG 3.5 to 4.5 seems like it would be nose heavy. The Hanger 9 120 size is 4.5 to 5.25. What do you think?

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I think there is a problem[:o]. The airplane balances at 5.5", in order to get it to the recommended 4.5" it would take 12oz of nose weight. This is with a Graph Tech tail wheel and batteries foreword as much as possible! My engine is a FPE 3.2, light but not less then a BME 50 or DA 50 with the needed motor mounts. I sure hope the recommended CG is a misprint or the weight issue is void[:@].

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Oh, man that sucks !!!! I sure hope the CG is wrong or else the planes is worthless! If you have to add all that wieght back just as well to buy a WH! Let us know how it comes out !!! I hope the CG is wrong [:o].


Chad

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Put your measurements in this cg calculator and see how close it comes. If it's way off, then maybe there is a misprint.

http://www.palosrc.com/instructors/cg.htm

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1)Move the rudder servo forward as possible or
2)Move the elevator servos forward or install them in the fuse with MK bellcrank? That's what i did on my CA 24% Extra300L to balance the CG. Works well

I agree, 12oz of dead weight in the nose can be a problem !
Good luck.

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This most likely is going to sound dumb but what is %MAC? From what I can tell you need it to use the CG calculator but to find the MAC % you need the CG, Please Help! The root cord is 20" the tip is 10" no back sweep, 85" wing span. [:o]

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Hmmm... interesting...

I calculated the MAC (mean aerodymanic chord) and it equates to 15.33"

3.5" back from the LE would offer a 23% C.G.

4.6" would be 30%

5.5" would be 36%

Not sure how that equates overall to what it should be flown at, but seems to me the 30% would be the starting point and 5.5 be the rearward CG...

Still check with Max...

When in doubt, add the weight temporarily and remove some til you are happy with it...



Ronk1,

Where did you install the pull-pull servo? Got a pic of the install? If tailweight is an issue, you could move that 2 oz in front of the wingtube (near CG and save 2 needed in the nose)


What about the engine/cowl placement... did you move the cowl out as far as feasible in order to mover the engine out that far?


You could lose a little tailweight by drilling out some of the tailgearplate... pretty hefty there and you only need some meat around the screws... You might save 1/2 oz there and 2-3 in the nose...


What servos, batteries, tank, etc. are you using?

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It's actually 19.75" Root, 9.75" Tip and 38" length with an MAC of 15.33" (0 sweep)

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I'll be mounting the cowl so it laps over the F1 former by 1/16"... this moves the engine as far out as possible helping with balance.

I'll drill out some material in the tailblock.

Use a graphtec SMALL (up to 15 lbs) tailwheel.

Mount the rudder servo as far forward as I can... a quick check of the lineup shows I can run the cables straight and place the servo in front of the wing tube just behind F2. This will actually place the servo ahead of CG...

I'll shoot for 5" back from the LE to get a C.G. of 33% MAC.


I think this should do it just fine, but if not, I'll go pull-pull elevator... a single 8611 will dual cables running to each elevator...

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You can start off with a 30% to 33%MAC.

Why do you say it's 38" length,?????

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Because that is the length of one wing panel... 38"

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Test flight in! CG at 5" to 5 1/4", this is were it should be. This airplane flies great:D! I don't know where 3.5 to 4.5 came from, it would be nose heavy. Even better no pull-pull elevator or added weight! Landings are slow and controlled, inverted flight a touch of down and I do mean a touch. No photo's today, sorry next time[8D].

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You should use half the span, not just the wing panel. The fuselage is counted in the span.

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Keys to balancing the BME Edge with a light weight 50 class engine.--- Drive hub 6 7/8" out from fuselage sides. The firewall is glued to the sides out as far as possible, flush with left side then 2.5º right thrust not three. Battery's, throttle servo, rudder pull pull as far forward as you can (OK for elevator servo's in tail) and a light weight tail wheel. You should end up close to 5" CG from front of wing. I know it calls for 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 but 5 to 5 1/4 in. works out very well;).

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ronk1

What exhaust did you use?

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The factory muffler that comes with a FPE. The weight listed for FPE engines includes the muffler and ignition. The reason I mention this is for comparison.(DA's and BME's are weight without). Any three of these engines would balance close to the same. The BME I would use the Pitts muffler and you will need a motor mount.

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You're right... my bad... this makes it even easier to get the balance...

The length would therefore be 42.5"

30% MAC would be 4.5" from LE

33% wuold be 5" from LE

35% would be 5.25" from LE


So it's no wonder Ronk's did well...

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Ronk, how about a little more detail?

Coupling? Slow speed traits? Flatspins? Wingrock in harrier? Inverted flight... pitch up or down? Landing?

Come on now... be a good ROnk and fill in the blanks eh? ... :)


BTW... Why did you opt for a 2.5 degree right engine thrust instead of 3?

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Ronk...

One other question... snapping on elevator... I'm sure it will, but how much can you get away with?

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I will get back with more details after I have a chance to"put it through its paces". What I know so far is slow speed stall is very slow the nose drops slightly but controlled a little power and of you go. Inverted flight is the same as upright, it does not fly any different other then its needs a touch of down elevator. At slow speed the elevator is very effective. Landings are slow but you could get yourself in trouble without expo in the elevator. This plane should "Wall" great. I had a small mechanical problem (my fault), so not much flying time. I should be able to fly it tonight and have some photo's and more info. The reason for 2½º right thrust 3º seamed excessive and would not have matched the cowl;).

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Got my Edge in. Fedex decided to take the pleasure to crush my wheel pants, and break one stringer in the under nose, as well as put crinckles in the turtle deck from being crushed. The plane can still fly like it is. Looks great though.

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Them losers... sorry to hear about the damage... glad tho that they can be easily repaired or replaced... Give BME Aircraft a call... I'm sure they'll get the pants taken care of.

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What size is the wing tube ?? 1-1/4 or ??

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I called BME, but Max was out. Sunday afternoon he called me, we disscussed it. Im sending damage pics tonight to him. He'll make a claim and see if we can get anything out of it. The fact that he called on a sunday ,well, thats great[8D]:D!!!!


Max also made the comment of switching to another company other the Fedex, guess hes Fedup, lol.:eek::)

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That's a shame. I have had things damaged by UPS and have had good luck with FedEx, you just never know. I'm sure it will be taken care of.

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if i had spmthng to measure with, id get that measurement, but, i have nothing right now, im starting over , been living on my own a month now.

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The wing tube looks to be 1 1/4"...