RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Well, truth be told...I had my first choice to be a new cub from Dave Patrick Models simply because I'm a scale loving guy and the reviews were in the 10 out of 10 arena. That said, things started going south with this company before I got to order. Call it luck if you will, but I started reading the posts and my plan slammed into the wall. The ONLY reason I got in on this conversation is because I got taken for some money from a so-called builder in Ohio who has shut down his website and changed his phone numbers since I sent him my money. He simply disappeared. That's why I sympathize with these guys who send their money in good faith.
I'm curious though, Bud. I understand you love your DPM cub as well you should. But you know from what you've read about the service dept. that you won't get served if you call or write them. You've read posts from the other guys who are waiting months on end for their parts (prepaid or not). What are YOU going to do when you need a certain part that only DPM can provide. I'm not trying to corner you - I think it's a legitimate question. What options do you have besides knocking on Daves own front door with an order list in your hand?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

reply to post 1000 bud came so close on 3 dp cubs here on the flea market 2 were full wing and was going to get one i did not want blue cliped wing all had os 1.6 4c and missed them all by seconds:D looking at the tf 310 twin or the hp cub lots of neat gear on this one, landing gear ,wheels , panel , wing struts and the h-9 support. but never die there will be a dp-p-18 at a fly in or here for sale some day, things are so so here the boss conned me into buying a house and lost my shop, fleet is in the attic and boxes, boxes ,here is a few pics of the attic till i get a shop thanks frank99

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Real sorry you lost your money outacontrol41, I've heard of that happening many times on rcu. I'm still waiting for an item that the company has my money taken from my account and have not heard from them and not seen my item, won't name drop here. As for parts if I need them the landing gear is easy to replace, I'm betting the H9 gear is identical or Robart. Not hard to find. Fittings if it gets that bad....Again the H9 fittings will work. Cowl.....Fiberglass specialties....or I can mold my own as with the windshield which I can shape with urethane foam and pull on my vacuum former. Wooden parts can be built easily enough. I had two vocations, structural steel and concrete as primary and industrial model building as secondary. After all....we are model builders right? check this link to see my helicopter work in the scale gallery. The windshields were made from plexiglass on a home made vacuum former and a shop vac.
www.strictlyscale.com


Frank99, so now you're a home owner? Welcome to the other money drainer ;) I bought a 12 x 24 shed to build in but it's 200' down the yard but it needs wired and insulated so in the meantime i'm building in a spare bedroom. Gonna take lots of wire and need to trench it. Picture shows shed on right is storage and one down back is shop. Having lost your shop a shed may be the way to go for you also.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I have to say...all that dave Patrick stuff aside, I have a deep admiration and respect for your abilities and love of making miniature look real. I read the article about your scratch built Maryland State Police chopper and I was simply amazed. And I can relate, I'm from Maryland. We have the MD police chopper hover over and land near our flying field each year at our annual club air show www.marksrc.com
and the spectators love it. I must say again - I love your work. You probably no doubt have some trophies under your belt.
And ---it's no wonder you're not worried about getting DPM parts....you can make them yourself!:) I just wasn't aware you were such a craftsman.
Yes, there are crooks out there....buyer beware if you are dealing with a small operation. I only lost about $300 but that's enough.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud, your shed looks interesting. Was it a kit type thing from the lumber yard or a design and build it yourself structure? How much money to do it?

Thanks, Mark

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Well Bud thinks he owns this tread maybe he does?Like I ssaid DP is a LOSER took my money and ran

no explination just happy Thanksgiving I still think BUD is relatedto DP

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Buzz379...totally uncalled for. I won't give you the satisfaction of a reply to your comment.

On second thought I will comment....how could he take your money when he doesn't "Take" until your model is shipped???

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Mark, it's a dutch barn type shed built by the amish and purchased from one of the roadside dealers that sell sheds of all types. I had the good fortune of having a farmer one mile from my house who deals in them. very well built 12 x 24 and I had them put a double door at one end along with the supplied door at the front. $3000.00 delivered.


Outa control41, thanks for the kind words. I have a good friend who is a retired state police helicopter pilot. He started in the jet ranger and was flying the dauphine when he retired. I've known and been associated with many of them over the years and they are a bunch of great guys. As a craftsman/model builder? I'm humbled sometime when I see the work of some of these youngsters.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

YO BUD, your new build area will be nice, just remember to have a phone near. 200 run to anwser the phone isnt funny. wrong number? I got moved in to the new condo and still havnt got my area ready, but back to cubs was looking over hanger 9 new 1/4 scale cub and its pretty close to dp"s seems so, any way except the stab mounting. do u think the os 160 twin would fit ? I dont with out cutting a set of cyl's out. but maybe the super cub cowl would work, I know the firewall is a different shape but it seems to transition well, I think, just your thoughts.no dpm bashing from me, will just wait and see if a new shipment comes in.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hi Jim, yup on the phone line, added that to my list when planning trench and trying to figure what size pipe i'll need to carry wiring. I wondered about fitting the 160 twin in the J3. That would look soooo nice! Don't see why it wouldn't fit but just an opinion. I'd buy one but just got a GTM fokker DVI, I just love new toys.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

SO you dont think it would look goofy with the cyls looking different, though like you I could vacume the other cyls off the os 160 maybe?, ya toys are cool, good thinking on the trench have to think of everthing yhat could and will need, I like the intercom from the third floor down to my work ares, saves steps, my shed at work has a wall shaker thats an a/c and heat, kinda nice all in one package.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I don't think it would look silly at all with even one cylinder each side unless of course you're going full scale. I had an intercom in the shed at one time during the summer, power when I needed it for my bandsaw and drill press was a generator. Not the greatest setup but worked fine. I can't take air conditioning well so I just open all the shed doors and enjoy the breeze. I'll be putting in baseboard heat and motion lights on the exterior. Have to finish house renovations first and see how much money I have left. [X(]

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

"Tread"? Use guys from Cheecago?[sm=bananahead.gif] Sorry but "gutta" dik up fo da lokals

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud
In reply to your query....I have been trying to fly at least once per month thru the winter, so far so good. I'm getting a Fleet Bipe ready for this season
Ric

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Nice plane ric, I looked at maybe building one but went with the SR eindecker....sudden interest in WWI. I'm recovering my telemaster and about to try my new radio in it. Just bought the Spektrum DX7. Should be interesting. I bought an extra receiver to install in my DPM cub if I like the system.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud
I also have a Spectrum 7, yet to fly. I read some posts on another web site about the receiver rebooting if the votage drops below 4.7v, leading to momentary loss of control and loss of airplane. Suggestion was made to use a 5 cell pack. I'm going to try to see if this is a valid issue or some more "gas". It seems bizarre to design it this way.
Ric

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I read that too Ric, My flying buddy in Canada gives me H... when I tell him what I read. He has 7 of these radios and flys jets. He's quite knowlegable in electronics and repairs turbines for Altecare. He said quite reading all that stuff! I read it had something to do with servo overload and the way they were using them in 3D and something about E? My rec packs are all 4.8v but I'm using SR packs of 1000, 2200 and 3000mah. I also just got this in the mail yesterday since all my stuff is Futaba and the DX7 uses JR technology and reverse polarity. I don't use wall warts so I needed this for my accucycle elite and DDVC chargers. Is your supplied charger 50mah? Spectrum website said later versions will have 110mah chargers supplied.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud
My charger is 50ma. I can use the larger JR unit that I have...I'm all JR stuff.
Ric

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud, Where did you get your vinyl lettering cut, and how did you size it to get the correct 1/4 scale size?

Scott

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Scott, if my memory serves me right the tail numbers on the original were 3" so I had mine made at 3/4" none on my wing and the fuse graphics "PIPER SUPER CUB" were guessed at looking at pictures. Mine are 3/8" in white and the script on the cowl is 3/8" also. Lost the website for graphics a long time ago when my pc took a dive but want to say cajun graphics, I think.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hey Scott, our hobby shop guy's main biz is vinyl graphics for everything and his prices are good. Give him a look at www.froghollowrc.com and let him know what you need. By the way, his name is Scott too. He is leaving town Wednesday for a week or so if you don't get a reply right away, give him some time.

Good luck, Mark

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

a question now that I've come to grips with DPM Cubs. Were can I find or what forum or site, I need one of those neat hinged airplane safety holders you knock inot the ground to hold the model tail while you start, anyone know if they are for sale, can't find anything online.
Sorry to ask here but didn't see a dedeicated topic

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Good idea...I'd like to know also.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I have this one and really enjoy it:

http://www.jlproducts.net/ProductTailTrap.html

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

This thread is a little hostile so I hope its okay to ask a few questions. I just acquired a DP Super Cup from a friend that got it in an estate sale. It has been mostly built but not finished and is in excellent condition. It is the yellow version and there are no decals on it at all. It has an OS 120 FS mounted but cowl has not been touched so engine setup can still be changed, but there are some small parts missing (tail wires, small bolts, one control horn & decals). So here are my questions and I did read all 41 pages of the thread, but didn't find the answers I need.

1. Is the OS 120 FS enough engine to fly this plane well, with possibly more power than is needed for scale flight? Will I have to add a lot of lead to balance?

2. Are the tail wires needed for flight? They are missing. How hard would it be to make some? Any tips would be appreciated.

3. I know all you die hard cub guys will think I am crazy for this because I would have to cut the cowl, but would a 31cc Ryobi gas engine fly this well? Would it be too much weight up front?

If I decide not to finish it, is their anyone who would be interested in it (just the plane no engine or servos)? Thought I would ask here before I decide to put it up for sale.

Thanks
fossil

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hi Fossil,
Sorry this thread got hostile but I hope it's back on track now. You say it's the yellow one? Thought at first you may have the ARC version but maybe someone stripped the covering. It's been a while since I've gone through this entire thread but I do believe there are some using the 120 FS or similar, I know there are some Saitos being used. The Ryobi is a little stronger than a G26 (26cc on the G26 I think) and will fly it with power to spare. The weight may be an issue, you're Ryobi is what....maybe 60 oz? the G26 is 53oz. I have the O.S. 160 FT in mine at 39 oz. The tail wire bracing is an easy fix. I used music wire and some tubing from the LHS or you can buy what the manual shows at the LHS. Same for the control horns...easy fix. If you need decals get some graphics cut to your liking. If you decide to sell you will have a bunch of guys jumping at the chance to have it.
These are only my opinions as I'm no expert by any means, you will probably get others.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

fos how much for the for the frame only frank99 bud can help me finish the plane cut some sticker trim wires would not take much to finish and is this the one with flaps thanks

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I'll buy it if you are considering selling. Let me know if/when it's available.

I can be contacted at: [email protected], or [email protected]. Phone is (403) 807-9252

Bryan Hodges

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Thanks Bud the pics help for the wires, what are the end pieces that the screws go through made from? & did you just solder them to the wires? You wouldn't happen to have a close up of the ends would you? There were people talking about putting the 120s in but I don't remember anyone saying how it flew. The ryobi if I use it will have an electronic ignition so should be a little lighter.

Frank give me a couple of days to be sure I don't want to keep it and I'll post some pics of it and let you know how much I want. If I sell it I'll make an add here on RCU and give you first shot at it.

fossil

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

i think it is a clevise soldered or threaded the pin end is cut off then a small bolt goes thru one with a hole on each side, many engines will work the two you have are great but from the tread bud started, the engine that had the most talk was the os 1.6 twin 4c, sound and scale power, thanks frank

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

hopeing you was near memphis run up there a lot but your are south of nashville to far to drive will keep a eye out if you sell it, is a nice plane thanks frank99

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Fossil, the end pieces are aluminum tube from the K&S tubing rack at the LHS. Flatten one end and drill for screw. The wire is threaded one end 4-40 and the screw was just for effect as per pictures of the real one. Slid a short piece of alum tube over and up to screw and all is held in place with ca except where it is bolted. Do you have any pictures you can post here and is it the full wing cub or clipped? BTW anyone needing a new cowl I just found out Fiberglass master has one for the DPM cub for $38.00.

Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

HEY! This real one copied my model!!! :D:D:D

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Okay I see now that's a better picture of the tube. That should be easy to make. Yes mine is the yellow full 105" wing PA 18 Super Cub. I will get it out tomorrow and take some pics and post them. Thanks again

Frank I think you are around 450 miles away from me by Interstate anyway. Might be shorter going through Alabama but not sure if it would be any quicker.

bhodges If I decide to sell it I will post here before I put the add up, but if I do decide to I don't see me trying to ship it. It will probably be pick up only or if someone is not too far away might be willing to drive part way for gas & lunch money.

fossil

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Hi Fossil.

If you do sell it to me, I can arrange for UPS to pick it up from you, if that is acceptable.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

how about a happy meal or taco bell[&:] going to google map thanks frank99

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Fossil
Welcome to the thread whichshould stay informative from now on.
An OS 120 should fly the cub scale -like. I had a Sig Cub which was the same size (~104 inches) and the same weight(16 llbs) and it flew quite well with an Enya 120 and better with an OS 120

The tail wires are easy to make, you can use stainless wire with crimp sleeves, or even nylon covered stainless fishing wire with crimps. I used solid push rods with Du-Bro clevises on the ends, they are easier to make and keep their tension during periods of hanger rash application

Cant say about the Ryobi, but if you compare its weight with an OS 160 twin (which I used) you might get a rough idea from the difference in weights if you have to counter balance. I used no balance weight at all with the servos and radio in the recommended positions

if you decide to keep the Cub, you will have a rare jewel. Its the best ARF I've seen and it flys like a Cub!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Thanks for the info farmerric that helps.

frank99 I love taco bell

Well first I must have been on drugs when I picked the cub up because I swear there were no decals on this plane. Well when I went to the garage to get it out to take pics I think the decal fairy had came and put them on because in has the numbers & lightning bolt stripe on the fuse & cub emblem on the tail. Not sure if thats all there is suppose to be though. Here are the pics of it, its in excellant shape. I could only find two small imperfections on the whole plane, its on the right flap which are in pics 8 & 9. Pic 4 show the parts that I got with the cub, there is some wire for the tail braces but no tabs to mount it with. The pull pull for the rudder is installed as is the pushrod for the elevator, but other than what is in the parts pic some of the pushrods for the flaps & ailerons are missing as is one of the control horns (I'm sure I have some though). Pic 11 shows there is one cover for the flap servo bay missing (should be easy to make). Pic 10 shows a remote glow plug that is installed. The cowl is untouched and the front windshield has not been installed yet, the other windows have been installed. The landing gear is perfect and works, and the wing tube, bolts, and wing support braces are installed and are complete except the four bolts to mount the struts to the fuse. It won't take but a little bit and it can be flying, I think I want to sell it until I get it out and this plane is awesome, so I'm still unsure if I want to sell it. Its the weekend time to go fly so here are the pics I took today. If I can't get them all in this post I make another with the rest.

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RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Fossil
If the control surfaces are already mounted, you are ahead of one of the complaint areas on the assembly...the hinge hole were too small and were hard to dig out

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Yea I read that so it saves some time for sure. I think a day or two and I could have it flying. My biggest problem is I can't afford to buy a bigger motor to go in it so I have 2 options. I go with the OS 120 and see how it flies or put the Ryobi in it, but I don't want to ruin the look by cutting the cowl and have the big engine head sticking out. I do have a saito 150 but it is currently in my PT 17 Stearman which is way over powered. I could swap motors and put the OS 120 in the stearman and put the 150 in the Cub but that would be a pain. I would love to have a Evolution 26GT2 to put in it, its small enough so I don't think much of the engine would stick out unlike the ryobi which has a big cylinder head. I have the great planes 60 size cub in the clipped wing version 83" and the full wing is 90" and it flies great with an old tired thunder tiger 91 fourstroke. Thats not that much smaller than this so I bet the OS 120 would fly it fine.