RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

FYI, Electrdynamics onboard glow package comes with 1900 MAH packs and it's only $45.00. Compared to "Experts" you will save a bit of cash. John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

John, isn't that in addition to the $40.00 for the glow-lite?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

You're right! My bad. I knew it was too much of a good thing. Bummer!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

What the hey....still gotta get one, it's only green paper ;)

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Flap problem solved.

With Dave Patricks help the problem was found to be the holes in the left wing were drilled about 3/8 of an inch too high. They should be right on the bottom edge, these wire above that which set the whole flap up too high.

Dave offered to send a new wing and flap but I did not want to wait. Redrilled the holes about a 1/4 inch off to one side of the old ones, recovered a 1/2 " strip of the LE of the flap and the TE of the wing to hide the old holes and am a happy camper.

The right wing was perfect.

Looks like I ran into Charlie Chan having a little too much wine the night before work.

FYI - Patrick said the yellow Super Cubs are known as the Piper Vero Beach Cubs. The last 40 or 50 Cubs made by Piper back in the 80s were all a high gloss finish and done in the J-3 paint scheme.

Good luck Pettit on your test flight. Can't wait to hear from you. How was the straight up with the OS 160?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Buy the Miracle "Y" from MPI to reverse one servo and match it with the other. Works Great!!!!!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE COWL PAINT NOT MATCHING? DOES THE ULTRA COAT YELLOW RATTLE CAN HELP THIS? THE WHITE DOESNT MATCH ALL THAT WELL EITHER.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

$600 for an a.r.f. and the paint doesn't match!?!?!?!?!?!?[X(]

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

My white matches perfect!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Yea, mine too.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

WOW WHATS WITH P51? NOT COMPLANING JUST INFO FOR SOME, TWO MORE COATS AND MINE MATCHES, BUD, GAVE UP ON THE 16, GONNA DO THE CUB. SHE`S REALLY ON THE SMELL THING, HAVE TO AGREE.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I hear ya Jim, know what you mean. I do mine outside when the weathers good in my shed I bought for a shop but never got around to wiring. Hope you get back to it someday.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

GUY`s, something bothering me, Ive been understanding that the pull pull servo must be in the center both horz and longi, must not need to be cause this is not the case here on the super, and my hitec`s are to long to fit the servo board are any of you experancing this? pulled the tray to widen the opening and figuare while Iam there???????

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Test flew last Friday in a 20 MPH breeze. First flight was OK, second was great (less wind)

DrPepper: Straight up? This is a Cub, good buddy. There was plenty of power, but not what I'd call unlimited vertical. No need for it.

Saturday I flew a half dozen flights, all a lot better (almost no wind) Flaps work great but you have to point the nose down otherwise it'll just hang there.

Very satisfied. You guys are gonna love your Super Cubs.



As for the photos, Here's what I have to say:

"FlyRC, eat your hearts out!"

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Great pic's Dick, how's that 160? mine should be here in a day or two.




Bud

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

NICE!!!!! Hopefully mine will get here today and I can get started on it. What size spinner is that? and with what size prop? I'm using the 160 too. Also, what size tank did you use?

Thanks for your help.

John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

3" Tru-Turn, Zinger 18-6 wood. 20 ounce DuBro tank and Cub wheels.

Made all test flights on 3/4 power or less.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

THANKS DICK, VERY INFORMATIVE, GOTTA LOVE A CUB!!!! I`VE GOT I HOPE A GOOD ONE, GO TO A NAPA STORE AND TAKE ONE OF THE OS 160 PIPES WITH YOU MATCH IT TO A METRIC BRAKE LINE SAME SIZE DIAMETER , USING OS FITTING CUT THE TUBING TO THE LENGTH YOU WANT , I BOUGHT 2 18 INCH PIPES, TUBING CUTTER OFF ONE END AND BEND TO SHAPE WITH TUBING BENDER SLIDE THE OS FITTING ON USING THE FLAIRED IN AS OS HAS AND VOLIA YOUR EXHAUST IS DONE, THINK THE SAITO 182 COULD BE DONE IN THE SAME MANNER!!!!!! HOWS THAT GUY`S AN ANWSER INSTEAD OF A QUESTION JIM

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

ok who can solve this problem. I'm using a 150 Saito. The cowl is 6.5 inches from the firewall. Even using the mounting extension blocks I'm still short by an 1/8 or two. Washers behind the extensions? Thoughts?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

How about some rectangular plywood strips the thickness you need behind the mount and epoxied to the firewall?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I picked up a pilot from fellow scale glider enthusiast this weekend. It weighs 5 oz and is 18" tall. Mike Zbigniew offers these on his website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vze2qbfc/

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

BRYLE, MAYBE MOVE THE COWL OUT AND SEE IF HOLES IN FUZE ARE STILL COVERED BY THE COWL, IF SO MARK THE NEW HOLE PLACEMENT AND MOVE THE BLIND NUTS TO NEW LOCATION???

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

BEN DISS, LOOKS GOOD THANK`S FOR THE WEB SITE

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I just happen to think that if someone expects us to shell out $600.00 for an ARF, the paint should at least match, thats all.

Glad to hear the white is a better choice!

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

mr Pette, may I ask did you put any down or right thrust in? Iam also running a os 160. thanks for all of your in put, you are a valued contrubutor. cant wait for my issue of rc report, never been on the head end of assy of an aircraft, a little different this time. thank you .jim

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Bud, ok Ive reenstalled the servo tray and ordered jr 4751? be here friday, the plane deserves good servos, just thought I`d save 160.00 so Ive taken the $ out of factoring. son said off cenered pull pull not a fact, he`s coming up this weekend for a piper athon and maybe post some pics. thanks jim

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I set the engine square with the firewall. There may be some right or down or both built in.

Dave Patrick knows what he's doing. I never second-guess a good designer.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

There is right thrust built in to the firewall and the cowl is molded for the offset angle of the spinner. There are lines scribed on the firewall that are very close to the center of the engine. I did as the instructions stated and placed the fuse upright on the tail and against my workbench. I then placed the motor (in the mount) on the firewall and mounted the cowl. I moved it around until I had the right position and marked the firewall. I pulled everything apart, drilled holes and mounted the motor. Here's how it came out.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Pettit-

One last question (hopefully). In terms of mufflers. I purchased the long extensions for the 160. Do I need to purchase mufflers to go on the end? I believe I would have to run muffler pressure correct? If so, what mufflers do I need or will fit? Will OS 91 or 120's fit? I received the plane and it's truely worth the money. Again, thank's for your help.

John

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

What type of paint are you guys with the white Cubs using? I know PPG auto paint works well, but it such a small area to paint for all the work of getting the paint gun out! The red looks great on the electric Cub! Thanks!

Brian

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

I didn't use any paint. I cut red ultracote by hand and ironed it on. It went on great and even adhered to the cowling good.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Pettit,

Perhaps straight up is the wrong term, can you do a big loop from level flight. Sounds like you are are having some fun.

Builder Jim,

Have you tried the yellow rattle can for a paint match on the cowl?

I forget who,

There is plenty of room to get a Dremel tool with a fiberglass cut off tool inside the fuse and hog out the servo tray to accept larger servos, however it makes the pre-drilled holes un-usable. I glued 1/2 X 1/2 hardwood beams clear accross and made new servo holes, works fine and looks nice.

I forget who II,

The four strokes with exhaust extension pipes sound about the same as one with a muffler. The pipes (at least Saito is) are available with pressure taps that work as well as a muffler tap.

Also check out macspro.com for some new 90 degree exhaust fittings and other exhaust parts for the 4 strokes.

I forget who III,

Ailaron gap, too late for me, mine are glued in. But, my eyeball says that if one were to use a straight edge and trim the overhang from the top wing trailing edge right to the edge of the exposed ribs where the curve is you could get the throw without a gap. Either paint the exposed wood or cover with Cub Yellow Ultracoat, it matches perfectly and the seam is almost invisable. (Had to use some on a flap and patch a couple hanger rash holes).

Question - Picked up a new Saito 182 twin today. Fit is fine, lots of room. What a piece of art, twin carbs, four plugs polished to the nthhh degree, wish I could have a transparent cowl, he, he.

Question - Problem is I do not want a piece of wire sticking out both sides of the cowl for the needle valves. Does anyone know a way around this? Small flex cable like a speedometer cable? some kind of rack and pinion gear? Stumped so far.

Tail brace wire tip. Use Du-bro part #300 turnbuckles for a great look.

Also thinking of mounting a big fuel tank on the cabin floor at the CG. Need a remote fuel pump, any suggestions?

Have I gone electric? Big 6 volt pack for the rx, big batteries for the glow driver, batteries for the nav lights, and a battery for the smoke system. Perhaps I should hook all these together and hang an electric motor under the cowl.

Jack

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Brian,
I tried some Lustre Kote clear on my H9 cub which has the same covering material to see if it would work and it was fine as I had considered using their color but.....as they say, if it's worth doing-it's worth doing right. Besides, I have a new HVLP gun i'm wanting to try. [8D]

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

To John Redsox:

The 160 doesn't need mufflers or muffler pressure. It's really quiet on straight pipes.

The carb on the OS 160 is quite low and the tank has to be mounted lower than the shelf that's already there.

Mount the tank as close to the floor as you can get it.

I cut the original tank floor completely out and used the plywood piece in the kit as a new floor mounted 2" lower.

For exhaust pipes, I used chrome plated brass tubing that's designed to hook up a commode to a water valve in the bathroom.

It's a friction fit over the curved OS pipes, and can be bent easily by hand without kinking.

It's not the braided stuff, it's the solid shiny tubing.

Plus it's a heck of a lot cheaper than those OS extensions!


To Dr. Pepper:

Yes, a big loop is easily done from level flight, but a slight dive looks a lot better. The secret is large diameter, low pitch props.

Also, take a look at the level of the carbs in relation to the crankshaft. It seems to be a lot higher.

Will they clear the cowl?

For adjustment, affix a pair of 4-40 bolt heads on long tubes or wires that almost make it out of the cowl. Use a ball driver to adjust them.

A pair of small holes may look better than chunks of wire sticking out.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Sorry Pettit-

Another question. Is the engine a pumped system since the tank is lower than the carb? Otherewise, how does the engine get fuel?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

On the OS 160 twin, the carb level is beneath the cylinders.

The tank centerline is just above the spray bar in the carb.

Good old suction pulls fuel into the carb.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

OK Guys. Got my 150 Saito mounted with a major amount of help from my friend and Master Builder Luv Bipes (thanks again!!!!!!) Didn't need to add to the extension blocks to get the 6 3/4" that I needed to clear the cowl.
HOWEVER, FOR ALL YOU GUYS THINKING ABOUT USING THE SAITO 1.50 IT WILL NOT FIT IN THE COWL (despite what Dave says) WITHOUT CUTTING SOME OF THE COWL FOR CLEARANCE. We tried mounting it at an angle and that made it worse. SO BEWARE. Also because of the carb location on the 150 you will need to adjust the needle valve from the bottom of the cowl. You cannot flip the carb because you will not be able get the throttle push rod past the tank if you do.

Question: where on earth are you guys openning the bottom for cooling? There is really not enough room between the mounting holes?

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Brylee, yes white ultra coat worked good, 400 wet sand sprayed two coats, came out great! also reenstalled the servo tray and purchased two jr servos and thet fit, lowering the tank platform today, waitin on the spinner, Ive also will clear coat the cowl this weekend. thanks jim

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

Pettit & Company.

I have used the 4-40 trick before, just trying to get away from any holes in the cowl sides. Starting to feel like I am making a mountain out of a mole hill. Not using the plane for contests, just fun fly.

Must be trying to emulate Bud "Perfect Floats" Faulkner.

The carbs clear just fine with the engine right side up, carbs on top. Do you suppose it makes any difference which way the engine is mounted, up or down??

Also like the idea of removing the tank mounting plate to install a larger tank but am worried about fuel draw with the tank that low. Would feel better with some type of pump, but exhaust pressure may be OK, what do you think?

Downside of the Saito is that it is a thristy sucker at 2 oz/min at full power, or so I am told. A SWAG says about 15 minutes on a 24 oz tank in normal flying.

RE: Dave Patrick super cub
 

He,He, that's funny dr. pepper :D almost afraid to fly them!
Boy...would they ever look good on the super cub as a hangar queen!!




Bud