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Old 06-18-2011 | 03:51 PM
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I would love to go flying with you sometime!!! The thing with me is I have to use a wheelchair and I don't have a car because I always take buses and never really go anywhere except with my sister and brother in law.

If you can get past that and come grab me and go flying I would think the world of it.

Let me know if you would be into it.

Thanks for being kind and friendly!!! It seems rare these days.
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IMHO the Super Cub is still a little too advanced for most new pilots. Put it away for a little bit and buy/fly the Hobbyzone Champ (or Flyzone Playmate)for about $89 and fly in only near-still air. Get your confidence up and then move back to the Cub after a few weeks.
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That was a very informative link!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!!!
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I would love to go flying with you sometime!!! The thing with me is I have to use a wheelchair and I don't have a car because I always take buses and never really go anywhere except with my sister and brother in law.

If you can get past that and come grab me and go flying I would think the world of it.

Let me know if you would be into it.

Thanks for being kind and friendly!!! It seems rare these days.
Hmm, it'll be a little tough, I'll admit. I checked Google Maps from here to Lakewood, it's right around fifty miles, and I don't get out there very often. I am spending a weekend with a friend in Cleveland in a few weeks, I rather doubt I'll have time then, but if I can make it work, I will. Do you have a big area to fly from nearby?
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I have 2 huge places, I live right next door to one but to get to the spot you have to drive about a mile. The other is Edgewater Park, lots of room.

Whenever you want to do something different and wanna hang out is cool with me. I'm really cool to hang with as well. If you play guitar I'll trade giving guitar lessons for a flying budddy that's willing to come get me, I always have gas money and I'm not cheap at all.

Type into any search engine best guitarist in Cleveland and I usually come up first. Or type in my name: Brian Artea.
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ok I guess I misssed something we dont know what a buddy box is but yet you have over 80 posts?
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I have 2 huge places, I live right next door to one but to get to the spot you have to drive about a mile. The other is Edgewater Park, lots of room.

Whenever you want to do something different and wanna hang out is cool with me. I'm really cool to hang with as well. If you play guitar I'll trade giving guitar lessons for a flying budddy that's willing to come get me, I always have gas money and I'm not cheap at all.

Type into any search engine best guitarist in Cleveland and I usually come up first. Or type in my name: Brian Artea.
Isn't Edgewater right on the Lake? My guess is it's always windy there. (judging from my experience at Headlands Park) Sorry, I don't play guitar, but I guess if you want to help with gas money I can come out some weekend.
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You missed something because I only made 3 posts they must include replies as posts. I can't beleive I replied to that may people's comments. WOW!!!

I've learned a lot off the people on this forum and I'm very thankful for that.

The thing I can't figure out is why there's always an A***HOLE every where I go!!!!!!!!!
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The online store guy said if you can fly a lot of different models from a sim you can fly anything. I knew it would be different but I wasn't expecting what happened with the real thing.

Your words of wisdom really made me feel better about myself and it's going to take some time. Just like in almost anyting, you have to get through the suck period before you can get good which was a big lesson I learned when I self taught myself how to play guitar and piano, that's a whole different thing. These rc planes are like nothing I ever experienced!!!!
I can't wait to get past the suck part.
That's about the most profound thing I've read on here. I think I'm gonna' put that on a T-shirt!

LIFE: I CAN'T WAIT TO GET PAST THE SUCK PART.
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The thing I can't figure out is why there's always an A***HOLE every where I go!!!!!!!!!
Welcome to life. Anyway, regarding learning and crashes:

I've only ever flown a micro heli, but I crashed that enough to go through a few blades, a new tail fin, and a new canopy.

My first time driving a RC car I slammed into a wall so hard I snapped the top of the steering servo right off. Not to mention all the later crashes.

And the first time I took my one and only boat out there was nothing to crash into aside from seaweed, but when I brought it back to shore an overzealous dog ran up and bit through the plastic hull.

The dog came out of nowhere, but some of the other crashes could have been avoided (or their severity reduced) if I'd sought out an instructor rather than insisting on learning the hard way. Good luck and enjoy the fun and excitement of your new hobby!
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The online store guy said if you can fly a lot of different models from a sim you can fly anything. I knew it would be different but I wasn't expecting what happened with the real thing.

Your words of wisdom really made me feel better about myself and it's going to take some time. Just like in almost anyting, you have to get through the suck period before you can get good which was a big lesson I learned when I self taught myself how to play guitar and piano, that's a whole different thing. These rc planes are like nothing I ever experienced!!!!
I can't wait to get past the suck part.
That's about the most profound thing I've read on here. I think I'm gonna' put that on a T-shirt!

LIFE: I CAN'T WAIT TO GET PAST THE SUCK PART.

I LOVE IT!!! Ha HA!!!! I'd buy one...

Brian
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Brian, Ken touched on it but did not get real specific. Gorilla Glue has one nasty characteristic: as it cures it expands. It expands enough that it will push two pieces of wood apart and then you have two pieces with a nasty looking glob of glue between them rather than a good joint where the wood is still touching and the glue soaked into it. You can eliminate that by clamping or pinning the two pieces so that the glue won't push them apart, but eopxy is better. It cures faster amd is stronger than Gorilla Glue. You will figure all this out as you go if you stay with it. Probably 90% of all glue joints in an airframe are either alaphatic resin (Titebond) or CA, your choice. Epoxy is used in mounting firewalls to fuselage, joining wing halves, gluing landing gear blocks in, and mounting tail feathers. If you're flying foamies, hot glue seems to be the trick.

As others have said, I believe you have the correct attitude to succeed in this addiction. And don't let the wheelchair bother you. The best flier I ever saw always sat when he flew. Toward the end of his life, he could not stand long enough nor was he steady enough on his feet, to fly. But sitting with a transmitter in his hands, he became a magician.
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You missed something because I only made 3 posts they must include replies as posts. I can't beleive I replied to that may people's comments. WOW!!!

I've learned a lot off the people on this forum and I'm very thankful for that.

<span style="color: #ff0000">The thing I can't figure out is why there's always an A***HOLE every where I go!!!!!!!!!</span>
LOL...
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For every guy that posts a successful first flight on YouTube there are a hundred guys who are too embarrassed to post theirs.
My favorite person to poke fun of is myself. However, on a rare occassion I get to pick on my dad and I can't let him live it down. I asked on this forum last year about a good trainer and the SuperCub was recommended, so I got one for my dad for Christmas. He's wanted to fly, but refused to spend any money on something he knew he'd tear up. Plus, he has zero experience, including simulators. I saw this as an opportunity to score big with a cool present and a good time I HAD to get on video.

Here is his and the plane's maiden voyage. In his defense, it's very windy, cold, and he wanted to wait, read up, and get a simulator first. I said no, you'regonna try flying itand the good time was well worth the mangled plane. I rarely get a chance to do anything with my dad and brother. If it had been a success we wouldn't have had nearly as much fun. Besides, there's too many good first flight vids. Ha!


http://williamclark77.smugmug.com/Ot...325_vjQak-A-LB

Oh, see how it looped over at the beginning? It tried doing that several more times. We traced it to the receiver. It kept not responding even though it wasn't losing signal. Replaced it and flies much better. I'm actually glad we figured that out AFTER the beautiful loopty to lawn dart. Haha. Him yelling "NOOOOOOO!" was priceless.
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To the OP, I have nothing productive to add.  All of my RCs stay on the ground.  I recorded all of that vid except the first flight where he throws it and it actually flies and "lands".  That was my first time flying and it was far from a success.  I just posted this so you'd feel better about your first flight blues and maybe laugh a little.  Good luck!
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Hi Brian;
You have gotten a lot of great advice. One other thing I would mention is that flight simulators vary tremendously in how difficult they are to fly compared to the real thing. Although the real thing is always harder than flying on a simulator, the better simulators (i.e Real Flight, Aerofly, Phoenix, Clearview) will speed your learning curve up tremendously. You can even change flight conditions (i.e. add wind and change the wind direction) which will really challenge you. Clearview is by far the cheapest and comes with lifetime upgrades. Hope this helps and good luck.
Mel
P.S. I have greatly modified my Super Cub and it is still one of my favorites out of many planes to fly.
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I didn't see anyone mention Foam Safe CA glue for the foamie, it's fast and it's available at the LHS usually.
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LMAO!!!!
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I'm in a great mood today and THE DOGPARTkilled me!!!!! Thanks for yoru inspiration!!!!!!
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I think joining this forum was one of the best things to do starting out. I kind of wished I came here first before I bought anything. Thanks for the epoxy learning and it makes perfect sense!!!! THANKS!!!!!!!
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I can't believe someone would discount the importance of having a simulator to get one used to the controls. Sure, I bet a lot of these guys probably received their training by having someone take off and land their first flghts but that isn't as affective as having a person KNOW and UNDERSTAND the controls and the reactions of planes PRIORto their first experience when they take control of the plane. This is 2011 people. They don't stick American Airline pilots in the seat of a cockpit and say...."hey boy, I'll get'r up and you can fly it from there" DUH. Give ANYONE the chance to learn everything they can at a leisurely pace before that first flight is ONLYa benefit. Let them understand the reactions and possible counter-reactions it takes to fly and save these planes for that dreaded Glad Bag. I agree with you totally. Sit behind that simulator for a few weeks and soak up some REAL learning, read some books, get a flying trainer buddy and go crash a few planes!


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Hi Brian;
You have gotten a lot of great advice. One other thing I would mention is that flight simulators vary tremendously in how difficult they are to fly compared to the real thing. Although the real thing is always harder than flying on a simulator, the better simulators (i.e Real Flight, Aerofly, Phoenix, Clearview) will speed your learning curve up tremendously. You can even change flight conditions (i.e. add wind and change the wind direction) which will really challenge you. Clearview is by far the cheapest and comes with lifetime upgrades. Hope this helps and good luck.
Mel
P.S. I have greatly modified my Super Cub and it is still one of my favorites out of many planes to fly.
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I can't believe someone would discount the importance of having a simulator to get one used to the controls. Sure, I bet a lot of these guys probably received their training by having someone take off and land their first flghts but that isn't as affective as having a person KNOW and UNDERSTAND the controls and the reactions of planes PRIOR to their first experience when they take control of the plane. This is 2011 people. They don't stick American Airline pilots in the seat of a cockpit and say....''hey boy, I'll get'r up and you can fly it from there'' DUH. Give ANYONE the chance to learn everything they can at a leisurely pace before that first flight is ONLY a benefit. Let them understand the reactions and possible counter-reactions it takes to fly and save these planes for that dreaded Glad Bag. I agree with you totally. Sit behind that simulator for a few weeks and soak up some REAL learning, read some books, get a flying trainer buddy and go crash a few planes!


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Hi Brian;
You have gotten a lot of great advice. One other thing I would mention is that flight simulators vary tremendously in how difficult they are to fly compared to the real thing. Although the real thing is always harder than flying on a simulator, the better simulators (i.e Real Flight, Aerofly, Phoenix, Clearview) will speed your learning curve up tremendously. You can even change flight conditions (i.e. add wind and change the wind direction) which will really challenge you. Clearview is by far the cheapest and comes with lifetime upgrades. Hope this helps and good luck.
Mel
P.S. I have greatly modified my Super Cub and it is still one of my favorites out of many planes to fly.

Don't be so condescending in your reply. Everyone has an opinion about whether or not a sim is the best approach. Most of us feel that a sim is a goood thing, to a point. No one is discounting the importance of a sim.

Learning to fly RC should be approached slowly by first seeing if this is what the individual really wants to do, and the best way to do that is to go out to a field and talk with the guys out there that are flying RC. If possible, get some stick time on a buddy box with an instructor and a buddy box. That way, the person can get a feel for how it is to fly. Once started out, a sim is good to practice what has been learned at the field, not vice versa. There are a lot of bad habits that can be learned by sim-only flying before the real thing.

No, they don't just stick American Airlines pilots in the cockpit. These guys have been flying a long time before they are allowed even near a cockpit of a commercial aircraft. They start out as all pilots do, in the cockpit of a trainer. Sound familiar? They go through vigorous training involving all sorts of aircraft and all sorts of conditions to prepare them to fly those big jets. Including simulator time, but primarilly, at the beginning, aircraft stick time FOLLOWED by simulator time.

CGr.
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Including simulator time, but primarilly, at the beginning, aircraft stick time FOLLOWED by simulator time.

CGr.

Exaclty why he needs the "one week to solo book"

At least weather he is on the SIM or on the sticks, he can work on things that build good basics, like level turns, figure 8's, etc....

I was amazed at how much is on the web for free....(see earlier post)

Just make sure you have a good course & help in terms of your learning, since you can't rush things and just need to have fun!

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the problem im sure was your controls were not set correctly. i mean the amount of throw each control surface has is probably way to much. it only take a very slight movment of a elevator or aileron or any control surface to get plenty of movement out of the plane. very slight stick movements is what you want.. see the simulater doesnt really show you all that.


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