Anybody explain a closed loop rudder?

I am thinking it is where there are two horns on the rudder and it is pushed and pulled at the same time. Am i right?

Thanks

What you're describing is called a pull-pull rudder. Don't know about the closed loop, though.

Andy

Sounds like what the Brits might call a pull-pull

They have funny names for everything

Spot on Minn, a closed loop in the UK is a pull pull over the pond

closed loop rudder? a: a rudder that can spin in circles!!!

No no no, Fast,

You see the Brits have learned to speak some English, but often they'll get to a crucial part of a sentence and realize they don't know the correct words, so they'll just make up some silly ones.

I've had conversations in London that sounded like this:

Me: Excuse me, could you tell me how to get to Buckingham Palace?

Brit: Right, you go down this street here, then you nip up the wickershams.

Me: I should nip up the wickershams?

Brit: Right, then you take your first left, then you just pop round the gorn-and-scumbles, and Jack's a doughnut, there you are!

Me: Jack's a doughnut?

Brit: Right

Also they have a lot of trouble with pronunciation because they can't move their lower jaw muscles, because of malnutrition caused by wisely refusing to eat English food - some of which (Note, they make no effort to conceal this fact) contain KIDNEYS!

Think I'm kidding?

Just look at what you can buy in the stores there!

hmmm, so when a new student pilot makes a great first landing the instructor in England says "Jack's a doughnut, there you are! ?" [X(]

Or "Blimey! Frognal Cockfosters!"

Brit bashing hey? well I can't just lie down and take it.

Firstly as you said the language is ENGLISH, that means it comes from yes, England. I've never heard of American have you? Nope didn't think so. If it wasn't for us you'd all be living in Wig-wams sending up smoke signals and fighting cowboys. lol. Check out our history and check out yours. You should find our history goes back for some time and towards the end Americans popped up after a few Brits decided they liked the weather in America and also the Fighting with Native Americans (real Americans), so stayed there. The rest as they say is history. I must admit I always loved playing cowboys and Indians when I was a kid. Was always a cowboy.

We gave you the language. Problem is that we have been using it for hundreds of years so have had plenty of time to develop it and create new words (those are the words which sound foreign to you Yanks), like 'right' and 'up there' etc.

The food bit you go on about makes me laugh. We have traditional food like fish and chips, and yes kidney. We also eat liver, mmm yum yum. I think your traditional food is a BK Whopper or Big Mac. I think it depends on the region.

Anyway I think malnourished is a bit better than a country full of 20 stone plus heffers all eating fries and do-nuts from troughs. Last time I went to America everytime a Yank walked past it was like a solar eclipse except lasted longer.

Inbetween all the slagging off over the pond could you please tell me what is a traditional American dish. Take aways don't count, fatty.


Happy eating chubs.

My mom is originally from Nottingham, my cosin and his wife currently live ther. They came to visit last summer and were yreated to the All American Food - Bar - B - Que!

it don't GIT no better than this!

BARBEQUES?????????? COME ON MATE? YOURE HAVING A LAUGH...

BBQ's are Australian.

Try again. I'll give you three goes.

Remember no fast food.

Australian???

Just wait till a Texan gets his hands on you!

No no no, I'm not talking about that silly "Shrimp on the barbie" stuff...

I'm talkin' good ol' American BBQ~!

Okay so what you're saying is that a traditional American dish is any meat cooked on a BBQ?

You seem to be straying from the question:

Name a traditional American dish?

One more try.

By the way look at the amount of meat on that barbie. No wonder there are so many fat Americans.

chech this out: http://www.reengage.org/go/Books_176.html

Geeze, you Britts have a lot to learn about food.

First, no, not ANY meat. Kidneys, liver, tripe and god knows whatever else you eat don't count.

Beef, Pork, and chicken mostly.

And throw it on the BBQ? Only if you have one of these babies in your back yard (See pic.) And it takes DAYS of carefully planned cooking to do it right (Throw it on the grill - INDEED!)

Fat Americans?

You bet yer kidney eatin' butt we're fat. And lovin' every minute of it!

About the only reason people emmigrate (note, emmigrate, with an E) is because they want a better life. People emmigrated away from England, and other european countries (as well as asian and other continents) to America for a better life. Apparently, they like it here because not many of them are going back. America isn't called the "melting pot" for no reason. We enjoy all types of couisine because there are many cultures that live here. Perhaps the only thing "uniquely American" is the fact that we accept pretty much anyone who wants to come here--even the Brits!

BTW, THE ONLY PLACE IN THE WORLD TO EAT BBQ--REAL BBQ--IS HERE IN TEXAS. I don't care what anyone says. I'm not talking about putting something on the grill and smothering it with some sauce, I'm talking about smoking something for hours, sometimes days, to get the flavor just right. Then, as you eat it, you may or may not choose to enjoy some bbq sauce with it. Either way it is good, and uniquely American. Have you ever cooked a hog underground for a week? That's an Arkansas thing. Have you ever ate rattlesnake meat? I have. Personally, I stay away from any internal organ (other than muscle tissue). Just my choice, but anything meant to FILTER impurities out of a living organism probably isn't real edible!

The Etymology of Barbecue

The etymology of the term is vague, but the most plausible theory states that the word "barbecue" is a derivative of the West Indian term "barbacoa," which denotes a method of slow-cooking meat over hot coals. Bon Appetit magazine blithely informs its readers that the word comes from an extinct tribe in Guyana who enjoyed "cheerfully spit roasting captured enemies." The Oxford English Dictionary traces the word back to Haiti, and others claim (somewhat implausibly) that "barbecue" actually comes from the French phrase "barbe a queue", meaning "from head to tail." Proponents of this theory point to the whole-hog cooking method espoused by some barbecue chefs. Tar Heel magazine posits that the word "barbecue" comes from a nineteenth century advertisement for a combination whiskey bar, beer hall, pool establishment and purveyor of roast pig, known as the BAR-BEER-CUE-PIG (Bass 313). The most convincing explanation is that the method of roasting meat over powdery coals was picked up from indigenous peoples in the colonial period, and that "barbacoa" became "barbecue" in the lexicon of early settlers.

So there......!! I hope we don't start another REVOLUTION over this. I would hate to go to WAR ...again..

BTW have we settled the closed loop rudder?

That's it, now you done woke up a Texan.

I'm staying out of this.

(Pass the BBQ sauce)

Barbecue? Barbecue? Why would you eat anything other than:

Andy, you're supposed to "Just Say NO" to Crack

Haha.... well we are known as "The Melting Pot of The World" got to cook something in that pot! On the Statue of Liberty it should read "Give me your tired, your poor and your hungry huddled masses yearning to have a good Meal"

My 2 cents!

John

As much as I would like to continue this friendly bantor, As a Mod, it's my responsibility to keep this sort of thing from getting out of control.

So inasmuch as I would love to keep chatting about two of my favorite subjects (Food and Brits) I'm going to close this thread.

It's been fun