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Old 11-18-2005 | 08:36 PM
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I soloed earlier today. It was my second flight ever. Well I had to solo because I taught myself. I tried a trainer initially but that ended up being a really bad experience. So as much as I have read not to teach yourself I went ahead and taught myself. I had input from friends in other states that fly but I did it. I had a smooth takeoff, smooth flight with tricks in there just to see if I could do it, and a mildly rough landing. Nothing broken so overall successful. I did log numerous hours on a sim before I even attempted flight.
Old 11-18-2005 | 08:57 PM
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Congrats. Glad to hear it. Stick to it, BE SAFE, and have a GREAT time. BTW I'm in masonry restoration. Mostly restoration but some new construction. Have a blast with the hobby it the best in the world
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TBL,

How much would you say the simulator helped you? How difficult do you think teaching yourself, to the point you are at, would be without the sim?? I am curious to hear from someone like yourself how useful these things are? RC Flight simulators are an interesting development that were not available when I learned to fly (personal computers were not available when I learned). And what was the problem you had with the trainer type you mentioned??? What plane did you solo on????

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WoW you beat me! I soloed on my 6th or 7th flight. I found the G2 sim. a huge help! The main thing to practice is landings and take offs.
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I soloed earlier today. It was my second flight ever. Well I had to solo because I taught myself. I tried a trainer initially but that ended up being a really bad experience. So as much as I have read not to teach yourself I went ahead and taught myself. I had input from friends in other states that fly but I did it. I had a smooth takeoff, smooth flight with tricks in there just to see if I could do it, and a mildly rough landing. Nothing broken so overall successful. I did log numerous hours on a sim before I even attempted flight.

SIR welcome to the I BEAT THE ODDS AND TAUGHT MY SELF HOW TO FLY CLUB. It seems as if you really were allot more patient than I was when I was teaching my self. So after you demolished the trainer what did you you solo with ? and way to go , you will not probably get and 'AT A BOY because the majority of the people on this site thinks it is silly to teach yourself. FLY ON !

PS did you get your AMA today ?
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When I say I had trainer trouble it wasn't with my plane. I flew a Hanger 9 Alpha trainer, same one I have had since day one. The trainer trouble was with the person training me. Where I live there aren't many people who can train. I met with the trainer the first day and he said I had some problems with my plane and showed me what they were. Fair enough, so I fixed them. I met with him the second day after the initial problems were fixed and he started messing with the engine. I know I had it tuned in good because I could drive the thing around and get airborn. He completely threw my engine out of tune. Then he couldn't fix it again, and said I would have to take it home and tune it. Not only that but 2 minutes after he was done with my plane he took his own out and crashed it almost immediatly. So I lost confidence in him. So about 1/2 hour later after I got home I had the thing tuned in again. So I was tired of the problems that were caused by the trainer, come to find out he wasn't even really a registered trainer, so I took it out on my own. The first flight lasted about 60 seconds. I was all over the place with the plane. I had a hard landing and had to do some minor repairs. The second flight a friend of mine told me that it sounded like I wasn't finessing the sticks, so on the second flight I just used slight movements. Once I got it up in the air it was smooth sailing from there. Loops and rolls and stuff like that. The landing was a little rough because I ran out of gas in the air and had to coast it in. I ended up having too much speed and overshot the runway a little but but landed in some grass. I think I did beat the odds. A friend of mine in Washington has been giving me tips from what I tell him is going on when I fly. He was very impressed that I actually flew it and didn't crash it.
The flight sim helped imensly. Before I even thought about taking the plane out on my own I spent about 75-100 hours practicing on the sim. The main thing that it taught me was which ways to move the stick to move the plane. The flying was relatively similar to the sim but close enough to warrent actual help. Overall I think it was the sim that saved me from buying another plane. I would highly recommend it to anyone. By the way I used the free FMS sim and got a cable to connect my control to the parallel port on my comp.
So overall I would agree that I beat the odds. I am still expecting the crash to happen some time. It's not that I didn't try a trianer its just that I lost confidence in him when he tried to fix my plane and then crashed his. Overall I would say that I love this new hobby and will be joining the local club soon enough along with the AMA.
By the way I have tons of video game experience with flying and other flight sims and game that require flying. I don't know if this helped me at all but I'm sure it didn't hurt.
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OK trainer (teacher)

Not only that but 2 minutes after he was done with my plane he took his own out and crashed it almost immediatly
Although uncommon , this type of crap happens all the time. I can remember being in the park one day and asking 2 guys that were running glow cars around if they knew how to fly. One said a little, the other said yea it's easy , just use small stick movements. So I gave him the sticks, just wanting to see the plane fly , and he crashed. He didn't have a clue as far as what he was doing. I really would like to continue hearing about your progress.

The flight sim helped imensly
Allot of the old school RC pilots hate sims, because they didn't have them in their time. But I think they are the most education piece of equipment any newbie can have.
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Way too go Bricklayer! I too spent many hours on the sim before I went and flew. Yes, one can learn to fly RCs by themselves.

Now, get ready for all the doomsayers that will say how stupid we are for not using an instructor to teach us how to fly. I'm real suprised they have not jumped in here yet screaming how unsafe it is to teach oneself to fly! How only an instructor can teach how to safely start, taxi, and fly! Poppycock!

Again, good going!
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I wouldn't worry abot the doomsayers. You did a great job. Most people have sense enough not to try to fly them in your back yard abouve the neighbors house. There might be a couple but my guess is they will leave this one alone. I got an instructor when I learned and I'm really glad I did becase it was evident to me immediately that I couldn't do it myself, I was bailed out dozens of times on my first flight.[&o] But this guy obviously has more skill than I. AGAIN CONGRATS ON THE SOLO. May you have many more successful flights
Old 11-19-2005 | 07:26 AM
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Well, I'll be a bit of a doomsayer here. Merely getting a plane up and down one time, and in one piece is NOT usually considered soloing. In this case lots of time on the simulator and a good bit of luck have meant the plane survived. The typical criteria for soloing is that the pilot can demonstrate that he/she knows and follows proper safety procedures and can repeatedly takeoff, fly, handle emergencies such as deadsticks, and perhaps stall/spin, and land in a safe, controlled manner.

People trying to learn on their own, perhaps in a park or school yard, rather than at a club with an instructor, need to think very carefully about the consequences of their actions. One minor mishap, perhaps a plane hitting a car, window, or worse, a kid playing soccer, could be all it takes for the town, city, or county to adopt a negative stance toward R/C flying. Obviously if one lives out in the middle of nowhere these issues don't apply, but there's still lots of things to be learned from a GOOD instructor that a person just can't get from a sim or via email from someone hundreds or thousands of miles away.
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My son and I also put in a lot of time on various sims and they really do help. I also had the advantage of building and flying control line for many years so knew how to build properly, bench trim and operate engines.

What a simulator will NOT do for you is teach you how to fly safely in the presence of other flyers and spectators. That, in my view, is worth the price of admission to the R/C club instructor arrangement. Simulators also have the disadvantage that you can't really see the ground in relation to the airplane so setting up your reference points for approaches and landings are actually more difficult on the sim.

We had about 6 flights each on the buddy cord then were taking off & landing with minimal assistance. Wound up not flying at all during the summer and when we arrived at the field one day on a weekday we were the only ones there. Son and I each put up a couple of unsupervised solos. Thread appears here --> http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3477988/tm.htm
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I agree that an instructor will help. In fact I have enlisted the help of someone I met on these forums to show me the more difficult stuff. Yesterday when I didn't just have one successful flight. I went through numberous fuel tanks throughout the afternoon, so I probably have half a dozen or so successful takeoffs and landings. I know that doesn't make me an expert or anything maybe just extra lucky. I think it was the sim that did it. When I fly I try to think of emergency situations and then put myself in them and see if I can get out, of course I am doing this at a high altitude where there is an extra saftey factor. Where I fly is out in the middle of a farmers field and mine is the only car around for a mile or so. There is an rc airport here but I am not good enough yet to fly around other people so I will stick with the farm field for a while until I feel comfortable with extremely controlled takeoff and landings.
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Let me start on a positive note by saying congrats on your success thus far. I'm glad to hear that it seems to be working out for you. I too would have dumped my instructor like a hot rock if it was obviuos to me that he really wasn't qualified to train a student pilot, I don't need any demonstrations on crashing, I got that part down all by myself! I know that feeling of " is he really the guy for the job?" My original instructor found out he has cancer just before we were to start my training. So the rest of the guys at the club are trying to bring me along as best they can. I appreciate the efforts of each & everyone of them, they are all experienced flyers, but while on the buddy box I do much better with certain ones. Some guys just have an ability to teach while other don't, even though they fly great on their own. This sort of hit & miss approach is slowing my learning to fly down I believe, but you take what you can get. I don't like to take away from their flying time so I wait until someone asks, " Mark do you want to fly?" then I get a little stick time in. I'm actually thinking about getting some little parkflyer type plane, something I don't care if I crash or not, just to get more practice time in. Having said all that, I do agree with PipeMajor that it is extremely important that we do these things in a save manner that doesn't reflect carelessness & irresponsability on the R/C flying community as a whole. I know that as we speak there are many clubs fighting to keep their fields. There are lots of ppl out there that would like to see this love of ours outlawed all together. Let's not give them any more ammo to throw at us. Have fun, fly the wings off your plane, but do it in a safe manner, please!


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Sorry to hear your experience with your local instructor. I too am beginning to fly and purchased a Nextstar and joined the local club. I'm being instructed by the club leader - I'm told he has been flying for 30 some-odd years. I went to the club first to talk to folks before deciding to get into RC planes. After one day of watching them fly and talking to folks my decision was EASY. Key for me was to get someone that could really teach me the correct and safe way to operate RC planes. I plan to be in this hobby for quite a while and want to understand all parts of RC flight and saftey. I'll post more as I get my first instruction after THX giving.


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When I say I had trainer trouble it wasn't with my plane. I flew a Hanger 9 Alpha trainer, same one I have had since day one. The trainer trouble was with the person training me. Where I live there aren't many people who can train. I met with the trainer the first day and he said I had some problems with my plane and showed me what they were. Fair enough, so I fixed them. I met with him the second day after the initial problems were fixed and he started messing with the engine. I know I had it tuned in good because I could drive the thing around and get airborn. He completely threw my engine out of tune. Then he couldn't fix it again, and said I would have to take it home and tune it. Not only that but 2 minutes after he was done with my plane he took his own out and crashed it almost immediatly. So I lost confidence in him. So about 1/2 hour later after I got home I had the thing tuned in again. So I was tired of the problems that were caused by the trainer, come to find out he wasn't even really a registered trainer, so I took it out on my own. The first flight lasted about 60 seconds. I was all over the place with the plane. I had a hard landing and had to do some minor repairs. The second flight a friend of mine told me that it sounded like I wasn't finessing the sticks, so on the second flight I just used slight movements. Once I got it up in the air it was smooth sailing from there. Loops and rolls and stuff like that. The landing was a little rough because I ran out of gas in the air and had to coast it in. I ended up having too much speed and overshot the runway a little but but landed in some grass. I think I did beat the odds. A friend of mine in Washington has been giving me tips from what I tell him is going on when I fly. He was very impressed that I actually flew it and didn't crash it.
The flight sim helped imensly. Before I even thought about taking the plane out on my own I spent about 75-100 hours practicing on the sim. The main thing that it taught me was which ways to move the stick to move the plane. The flying was relatively similar to the sim but close enough to warrent actual help. Overall I think it was the sim that saved me from buying another plane. I would highly recommend it to anyone. By the way I used the free FMS sim and got a cable to connect my control to the parallel port on my comp.
So overall I would agree that I beat the odds. I am still expecting the crash to happen some time. It's not that I didn't try a trianer its just that I lost confidence in him when he tried to fix my plane and then crashed his. Overall I would say that I love this new hobby and will be joining the local club soon enough along with the AMA.
By the way I have tons of video game experience with flying and other flight sims and game that require flying. I don't know if this helped me at all but I'm sure it didn't hurt.
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Bricklayer,
Well done!
If you had a hard time finding a proficient instructor and you NEEDED to learn to fly then you did the right thing.
I used to tell people don't pick an instructor by what others recommend or because someone offers to teach you. Spend a little time watching other folks fly. Pick out one that you like their style on the ground and in the air and then ask THEM if they will teach you.
More times then not I bet they will be willing to help you.
Now if you are a member of a club with a formal instruction program and designated instructors then I guess that changes things.
I always smile when I think back to the days I was getting my private license. Some guy came in and wanted the introductory ride. After they came back and the guy left the instructor complained that the guy knew how to fly. Turns out he had built a Volksplane out on his farm and taught himself.
When I asked how that could be done, who had taught him the flying school owner said "Who taught Wilbur and Orville?"
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jlkonn, I enjoyed your story about getting your license. It reminds me of a bit of trivia concerning my Father. He too was a pilot for many years. The guy who signed off on his original license, this guy's lincense is now in the air museum in Bloomington, Il. because the signature on his license reads, Orville Wright. That makes my Dad a second generation pilot of Orville Wright ! Kinda cool I think.


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Mark,
Way cool!
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Simulators also have the disadvantage that you can't really see the ground in relation to the airplane so setting up your reference points for approaches and landings are actually more difficult on the sim.

I can see the ground on my sim learn how to set up your sim , and as far as learning how to fly safely on the sim that is just as easy as not crashing or hitting anything, having total control from ROG to landing. Besides safety can't be taught , it is the attitude you have and the actions you carry out when you fly. GL
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Hey Fiend, I have the G2-Lite and I've tried every view on the thing (I think) and it never keeps the ground & the plane in the same view unless I fly pretty low, am I seetting it up wrong? Thanks in advance.


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Yes , you are chasing the plane, or looking at the plane. If you set it up right th eplane should get smaller as is gets further away. If the plane pretty much stays the same size then you are chasing it or looking at the plane not the site. Turn these two things off and see what happens . GL
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I can see the ground on my sim learn how to set up your sim , and as far as learning how to fly safely on the sim that is just as easy as not crashing or hitting anything, having total control from ROG to landing. Besides safety can't be taught , it is the attitude you have and the actions you carry out when you fly. GL
Yes, safety can be taught. Attitude will determine what the person does with what they have learned.
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Did you used to do those Infiniti commercials back in the late '80s, early '90s?
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Thanks RC-FIEND, I 'll check it out.


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ORIGINAL: TheBrickLayer

There is an rc airport here but I am not good enough yet to fly around other people so I will stick with the farm field for a while until I feel comfortable with extremely controlled takeoff and landings.
Being able to get a plane up and down a few times is an accomplishment, and I'm not trying to lessen that fact in the least. But there is so much more to this than getting a plane up and down. In your above quote you say that you need to get better before you fly around other people. You are actually going to be hurting yourself if you do this. You are learning habits in the way you fly now, and if you are learning incorrectly it's going to be hard (or almost impossible) to un-learn bad habits. The best thing that you can do is go to the club and explain your situation, and let them spend some time with your refining what you have already learned.

Simulators are great teaching tools, when used properly. IMHO a simulator should not be used until you have started learning from an instructor. Just like my above statement, you can learn bad habits with the simulator that can be hard or impossible to un-learn later. A simulator should be used to practice and refine what you have learned from an instructor. Look to full scale pilots as an example. They don't sit a student in a simulator to teach himself to fly, and then let him fly a real plane when he thinks he is ready. Rather, the simulator is used to practice on after his instructions have started.

There are more things that an instructor will teach than just the flying. They will teach flying SAFELY, properly tuning an engine, safely starting an engine, correct ways to set up an airplane, how to properly install your radio equipment, proper procedures safely flying with others in the air, handling the plane in an emergency, what to do when the engine quits in the air, helping you with a second plane when the time comes, how to repair crash damage, and many many more things too numerous to mention. I can't say it enough, please get an instructor now to finish learning. Especially if you plan on flying at a club with other people.

That's my 2ΒΆ worth

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