Don't apologize to ME!. It's not my thread either. I was just hijacking it for a bit too.

Okey doke.

DS

Rebsix, I understand you I do.. Thanks for writing your history. Everyone's is different for sure. And no I'm not a softie.. I did take it a little to personally. Especially the "owned" comment. Yes I had a myspace account. Had is the point so I know where the owned comes from. The TT trainer, I had thought it was just a bad expoxy job, but the epoxy was still there it just had all the balsa stuck to it. So yeah i'm inexperienced like I said, but I've got some stick time.. Yes G3 is great, but it's not like the same thing by no means. The main thing there is helping with stick orientation. Flying in wind on the sim is nothing like at the field and landings are alot easier when using 115v instead of glow fuel for sure. But my first flight with the instructor once he brought it up I was totally comfortable flying on my own. As for landing nahh, I did several low passes over the runway at a level flight before he would let me land on my own.. As for suggesting a plane, I don't have nor have seen the hanger 9 mustang trainer I thought that would be an alternative someone may want to start out with.. Not only is this sport about flying we all love our planes and toys. Guess it's like being 16 yeah you can drive a hyundai, but it's cooler if you've got something a little nicer that drives the same. I think great planes even has their own mustang now. The sukoi flight was 12 years in the making so I couldn't wait anymore !! Didn't buy it to fly 12 years ago and I knew it would be difficult to fly anyways.. For the little bit I had it up it flew like a dream!. It's not a sukhoi like you see in kits now.. It's got a pretty good dihedral so it doesn't even look like a true sukhoi except for the fusalage. It's a kit made by midwest.. or used to be.. So sorry fellas for taking it personal.. After my last posting a long time ago plus the other little thing it just hit me wrong. Like agexpert and his post, what's up with the pad my reciever with a trash bag. There's no reason so say something like that.. But I'll stop beating this dead horse... I used to participate in a well known corvette forum, but it ended up being a trash talking place I haven't been back to since. And there's nothing better than talking to people about something you may need help with. All I can do is share my story b/c someone just like me may read it and try the mustang and then they can make a post if it worked or didn't in their eyes, or the sim for that matter. So far it's been my best investment. So I'm here, this place is a wealth of knowledge which I aquire on a daily basis, and maybe, just maybe I'll have something to offer here on the airplane boards.. Like I said I'm hooked!

Personally, I think everyone learns and develops skills at different speeds. Maybe he is ready, and maybe not. I started on a trainer.
I made my first maiden in the fall last year. Started again this spring, and by mid summer was into a Sig 300XS with a 40cc gasser.
I have had no problems handling it.

Bob

There's so much EGO oozing out of my computer right now that I need a mop!

"I've been flying since ..."
"I learned from..."
"I fly full scale and ..."
"I was flying when they were covered with tissue..."
"I know what I'm talking about ..."

Priceless! [sm=lol.gif] absolutely priceless!

Don’t EVER try to learn to fly RC any other way then the way that I learned ... "too dangerous to go off and do it on your own..." don't you know?! "If you crash an airplane your instructor must have let you solo too soon... ...time for you to go back and get another instructor..."

You guys are too much! But, always good for a laugh…

BTW,

Owned does not come from MySpace. It is far older than the old myspace thing, and if you really know about owned, then you must know about pwned.

Also, I think there is a difference between experience and ego. Ego is boasting about all of your accomplishments for no reason whatsoever. Mentioning your past experience to establish credibility is something totally different. do we talk about authors, professors, anyone else smarter than us who writes a book and say that they are boasting about their trip to Africa, bragging about their knowledge of medieval times. No, we would say they are full of BS if they didn't establish their credibility in the about the author section.

I mean, come on, we are just trying to help. If we were trying to inflate our egos we'd be saying things like, well i have never crashed, i learned on a sim and now I fly unlimited IMAC sequences.

A quick demonstration.

Hopefully that isn't YOU Pete. That'll teach the guy to solo without prior approval.[:@]

LMFAO.

Nice, another gamer. Thats a good picture though.

Gamer for life! (Althought not was much recently since Pete v2.0 was introduced.)

On a more serious note, I have no doubt that my years of gaming reduced my learning curve for flying RC significantly. After flying in many sims and online games such as Battlefield 1942, Desert Combat, Pacific Fighters, etc, I found it very easy to retain my orientation and make the plane go where I wanted it to.

Nothing beats training and an instructor by any means, but gaming certainly helped me on my way.

fastinated, this is usually a no-flame forum. About the only time people get riled up is when a newbie hints that maybe flying isn't as hard as it seems. Or occasionally when someone complains about overpowered aircraft. But that's about it. Most people here just want to help. Yes, those of us with many years of experience do have big egos, but we feel we've earned them. BTW, I enjoyed your first post, and didn't realize until it was pointed out by others that you were hinting that maybe flying isn't as hard as it seems.

Fastinated,

I didn't intend to "own" you when I responded to your post. I don't think I have ever used the word other than saying I owned Sukhoi once (see my gallery). I was just pointing out the things I didn't agree with. If you had come to me at the field and told me that same story I would have picked it apart the same way I did here, in fact I have done that. I hate being asked for help only to have the person asking tell me how I'm going to help. This happens a lot with students and it is very frustrating for me as an instructor to waste time with a guy like this while my airplanes are sitting in the pits doing nothing.

Your first post described a guy I had last year almost word for word. I admit I probably soloed him too early but I drilled it into him to practice with the trainer then maybe try a Sig 4 Star later on. The 4 Star turned into a Matt Chapman Cap 580 ARF a week later, then it turned into a kit shortly after that, and so did his second one, and then his Cub. Not only was it frustrating to see it happen, a burden was put on me and other club members when he asked them to help repair these planes for him since he had no building skills or tools. Then he wanted to quit because this is a stupid, expensive hobby. This is where I'm coming from with my response.

You really did come across as bragging in your first post also. As I read it I just kept wondering "What in the world is this guy bragging about?" Re-read it from another person's perspective and you might see what I mean. Just keep your obvious enthusiasm for it and don't be afraid to ask questions, here or at the field. And don't take the answers you get as a threat to you or how you fly, use them to learn and get better. Before you know it, you'll be helping people with your experience, but don't be afraid to admit you don't know something either. Ignore the negative comment's though. Johndou is a perfect example of non constructive criticism, people use comment's like that to hide their own shortcomings and make themselves feel better. Eveyone else here, if they agreed or not, are only trying to help using what they know.

Jeff

Funny, when i read Fastinated's post I came away with a sense of how proud he was of his accomplishments thus far, and how he wanted to share it with other new flyers. I guess it depends on our "experience" how we perceive another's comments. I always thought "ego" is the part of our being which makes us individuals. The part which drives us to explore and accomplish.

Rebsix..your post on the other hand, I can easily spot as one of the most arrogant responses I have ever read on this forum. You judge the man's character without even knowing him by stating he's an egotist. Then you pick his post apart one line at a time by inserting your humourous, mocking comments for the amusement of your humble cronies. Then you state your intention was not to piss him off?? I'm calling bull on this one. It sounds to me Reb, like your angry at your own failings as an instructor and your taking it out on this guy.
Hey...rebsix..you ever hear this before??
"I flew on the box one night, it all came back, and I soloed the next time out.
Granted, it wasn't easy at first but it came fast and the Gentle Lady had hundreds of successful flights before I built the Bird of Time. I think some people have a knack and it all flows together for them.
Some people have it, and some don't have it, and the some that don't never will.'

I bet you did..that was you last year in a post on this forum.
Guess you've come along way since then, eh?

Whatever your intentions..what you succeeded in doing was embarrassing Fastinated for the pleasure of others. Thats what a bully does. Some how I doubt that you would confront someone face to face in that manner.

Pointing out that you and several others have let your ego get in the way of being supportive and helping others with less experience is showing MY shortcomings? Well then let me bring in a little constructive criticism to this post, read what you've said to Fastinated from another perspective ...



Umm, might I add... BRAVO Kickstand

Okay everyone,

Instead of poking fun and flaming eachother lets get back to the thread.

Use the sim as a tool, some people learn faster than others, there is no "right way" to learn the hobby as I did everything pretty wrong myself. Congrats on the progress, and good luck to your future in the hobby. Thats about it right? Topic finished.

That's some pretty good research. Pretty much what I said in post 19 on this thread. But why didn't you quote my whole post instead of a certain part that would suit your needs to try and make you look like a hero?

I'll save you the trouble and put the part you used in bold.

The title of the thread was:

Are you self taught or instructor taught?

Here's the whole thread:

[link=http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_3320593/anchors_3324199/mpage_2/key_/anchor/tm.htm#3324199]R U SELF taught or INSTRUCTOR taught?[/link]

After reading it again myself, I can't find anything in there that would incriminate me or put Fasinated down, just like post 19. That second to last sentence kinda shoots your point down and backs mine up don't it. What is your point in posting that anyway? Are you trying to defend my wife because I said she has no concept of what an airplane is doing?

When I posted that I had just became an instructor in the club. I was given an Intro pilot card for the 2005 season, and again for the 2006 season and I've instructed quite a few students and given countless intro flights to boys and girls, men and women of all ages. So I guess your right, I have come a long way in a short time, (the same short time I said in post 19 where I also said "It can be done....but...." ). But if you actually read my posts, the general message in them is humility, as in learning from others and using that information to improve.

Fastinated has since posted follow-ups explaining certain parts of his OP for a better understanding of what he was trying to say. I didn't have that information when I posted my reply, and neither would anyone else starting in the hobby that read it thinking all they needed was a computer and a checkbook to fly. When the check book is empty the hobby lost another member because of poor advice. I think he and I have learned something about each other, and possibly from each other, so I guess RCU served it's purpose. Then you come along and start telling me what I am and how wrong I am with nothing to back it up other that a clip from a post I made over a year ago that stated exactly what I said in a post yesterday.

One last thing,
I don't have any "cronies" on this board and I'm not trying to impress anyone. If you read all of my posts on this thread, the ENTIRE post, besides commenting on a couple negative unnecessary items, you'll see that Fastinated and now you are the only ones I have replied to.

Ok, I think that this thread has just about run it's course now. Too many personalities and feelings are starting to get into the thread. I'm locking this thread.

Ken