Hi!

My name is Pierre, im 16 years old and live in (cold) Sweden
I just started upper secondary school on the engineering course, and just got my eyes open for this hobby again. Iv been thinking about starting this hobby lots of times before, but never quite dared cuz of the many crashes etc Iv seen on videos. But now, as Christmas is soon here (time flies) Iv began to think about really starting this
Iv been into R/C for a couple of years, having 1 nitro car and one EP boat atm, but having a dual engined EP car a couple of years ago. And I know its really fun Although I have never flown a R/C plane, there is something making me want to do it.
Unfortually, I dont have the same collection of planes as you guys do in the States etc, but I have found some airplanes which RC Ken mentioned in his tread about good trainers.
For a reasonably price there is the Kyosho Calmato 40 trainer ARF for about 170$ without anything, same plane with the GX 40 engine for 250$, and a complete readyset cost 425$ (this set includes the GX 40 engine, and a controller, although it dont say which one).
Iv read ppl uses the OS 46 engine in their Calmato's, is it better with a bit more power even when beeing a complete beginner in R/C Flying? I guess with a bit more power you can have more fun with your trainer when you have soloed etc?

Or the Thunder Tiger Tiger trainers, 40 or 60.
The 60 comes with : Futaba 4EX controller with extra servo (4), SC 61A-S Aero RC ABC engine, a prop and some others, price: 475 $
Or the exact same as above but with a Futaba 6EXP Controller. with a price of 620 $

Tiger 40 comes with : Futaba 4EX controller with extra servo (4), SC 46A-S Aero RC ABC engine, a prop and some others, price: 415 $
Or the exact same as above but with the Sanwa VG400 controller, which is just slightly more expensive. Guess the controller depens on the instructor and knowledge of the ppl at the field.

The calmato is a bit more expensive then the Tiger 60 trainer when equiped with the OS MAX 46 AX engine and Hitech Laser 6 controller. After that i need some other fieldequipment, a prop and some others.
I guess it will be about 100 $ more expensive than the Tiger 60.

Or maybe the Excel 2000 trainer ? In that case, with what equipment?

So... Is it "better" to go with the expensive calmato with the Os 46 engine and Hitech Laser 6, or go with the kit tiger 60 or 40 trainer i can get a bit cheaper?
We have a big airfield out here covered with grass which people from here uses to fly, Althought Iv never been there and dont know how to get into contact with someone that might be able to help me buddy-boxing and telling me what plane to get I wanted to get some opinions about the pic of plane
If going with the calmato, I will need to save up a bit until christmas to afford it. But if it is the better choise, I will definately do it
The only sad part is, since its a ARF it will be set up before the snow goes away

Alot of text I know, Its hard for me to write small posts :P
Hope someone can and will tell their story about what of all these options to get

Thx
Pierre

Hello Pierre, welcome to RCUniverse!

The two best steps you could take right now are to meet the people who fly near you, and get a simulator. There are several good simulators on the market that are relatively cheap (Under $50 USD)

The simulator will help you to learn, and the guys at your field will be able to help you choose which plane/engine/radio they are most familliar with. Next time you see them flying, just stop in and say hello. They will be happy to talk to you about the hobby.

Hi and Thanks!
I might be able to borrow a simulator from a friend of mine, or just buy one myself
About meeting the guys at my field is a bit harder since I dont know when they fly. And when going there I will need to take my bike, or lift with my parents :P So I think I`ll do some research about when there is going to be ppl there, so I can go there and have a chat with them. Maybe I should look for a e-mail adress to someone (if I find one) and ask him/her when ppl usually flies.
The area they fly at is a part of an airstrip for real private aircrafts, so maybe some of the "real pilots" know something about when there is ppl flying the smaller R/C aircrafts :P

Thx again MinnFlyer

Edit: Just found out there is usually a national competition at my field every fall, just need to know what date, and if it already have taken place.

Yes, check with the full-scale pilots there. Another good place to check is your local hobby shop. They usually know who the club members are

Hi!
As you live near by me (I live in Upplands Väsby ) you are welcomme to us at our club in Upplands Väsby (Väsby Modellflygare) which is one of stockholm´s best flying sites (perhaps the best).

I have been flying for 32 years and if you really want to fly outdoors, taking of from a grassfield (Or tarmac) nothing beats a good high winged trainer airplane powered by 6,5cc glow engine. Of course there are electric powered planes these days too, but the versatility in using a glow engine is hard to beat.
No expensive Lipo cells to charge and no expensie charger...and no waiting for the Lipo cells to get charged.

I myself fly JR (35MHz) since 1980 (JR X388) and latey Spectrum DX-7 (2,4GHz), but Futaba or Hitech radios are OK too. Sanwa (Airtronics in the US ) is also a good radio but Sanwa isn't that big in Sweden (Distributed by Carrocar in Linköping). A computor radio is what I would recommend. JR and Futaba have these at prices around 2000 kronor.

There are many good high winged trainers, the Kyosho "Calmato" is one of them but there are many others so you can't really go wrong here. All high winged planes this size are good.

When it comes to engines I would say a .46 (7,5cc ) two stroke is too big engine for these planes, a 6,5cc engine is what I recommend to those people wanting to get started. The reason for this is the smaller engines more plesant behavior. Proped right with a 11x6 or 12x4 APC prop it flies a .40 high winged trainer much more gentle than a bigger, more powerful engine. Some people then say: -You can always throttle down!
Of course you can ...but the behavoir of the model will not be the same.

If you want to join our club you are wellcome. Just call me.

Hi Jaka!
Its nice to see other Swedish people here
Since you are "into the hobby", do you know any good stores to eventually by from? I was talking about this with my father, and he was hoping that i would get a electric plane, but as you say, i will need a couple of batterypacks to be able to fly for a period. And the chargers aint cheap either (bounght a new one for my boat before summer).
With gas engines you need fuel, starter (is chickenstarter okey for a first flyer?) and ofc some other stuff.
Also, what could a good package of a aircraft with a Os 40 engine cost?
Do you order anywhere else from than Sweden? Or do you and the other guys at your field only buy stuff from Sweden?
Would be very thankful to get a answer on that
Thx!
Btw, I would love to go to your airfield if i can just get supported by my parents :P Just told them i want to go to the airfield near me and they said alright

Is this a great place or what?

WTG Jaka!

Btw Minnflyer
Do i need any kind of expensive simulator or is it okey with a sim that is based on the freeware FMS? Those cost about 35$, which is the cheapest in Sweden. It`s name is E-Sky and comes with a 4 ch controller.
Just found a JR, MX-12 radio in Sweden, at a price of 2000kr, (250$) , Is this a computer radio?

A cheap Sim is still a great place to start.

The high-end Simulators have some very impressive graphics, but they are expensive and require a VERY fast computer with LOTS of processing.

The cheaper ones, like the one you are looking at are a very good way to go

Hi Pierre!

Check out the Swedish R/C aircraft forums:
[link=http://www.rcflyg.se]www.rcflyg.se[/link] and
[link=http://www.svensktmodellflyg.se]www.svensktmodellflyg.se[/link].

There you can get in contact with fellow modellers and get all the information you want about what to buy where.

/Red B.

Thx for the input Red!

Iv been thinking about starting with a Calmato Sport plane, and get me some serious stick controlls in a simulator during the winter.
Is the Calmato Sport much harder to fly than a Calmato Trainer? Some say they only fly their trainer until they have soloed, or a bit longer and then procedd with their next plane.

The low-wing Calmato Sports is a very good 2nd aircraft. I would recommend you start out with a high wing aileron trainer as your first aircraft. Later on you can transition to the low-wing Calmato Sports. A high wing aileron trainer such as the Calmato will be able to perform all basic aerobatic maneuvers such as inverted flight, loopings, rolls, snap rolls, Cuban eights, spins, hammerheads etcetera.

Hej!
Jag tycker du ska skaffa en högvingad trainer,exempelvis Kyosho Calmato, det finns andra lika bra.
En högvingad kärra är alltid lite lättare att flyga än motsvarande lågvingad. Nu är du visserligen ung (16) så du lär dig säkert snabbt. Men ändå... det går ju lätt att sälja den högvingde kärran när du lärt dig flyga (om nu planet håller så länge) och sedan gå vidare till en lågvingad kärra.

Vad gäller valet av radioapparater så fungerar det mesta du hittar i hobbyhandeln, JR, Futaba, Hitech, Multiplex och SANWA. Dessa sänder på 35MHz.
Jag flyger JR sedan 1980 och har bara lovord att säga om det märket. Futaba är också bra.
Eftersom jag tävlar i pylonracing sedan många år tillbaka ser jag vad de tävlande använder och det är oftast JR eller Futaba. Servona kan blandas mellan märkena.Man behöver alltså inte köra med JR servon bara för att man har JR radio.
Elflyg i alla ära men glödstiftsdrivna flygplan man är mer flexibla , man behöver inte ladda, bara tanka och flyga och är mer tåliga då motorn håller bättre vid en krasch.

Nu finns sedan i somras även 2,4GHz radioapparater (Spektrum och Futaba ) så någon av dessa är faktiskt vad jag själv skulle välja idag (har Spektrum DX-7) då dessa radioapparater väljer frekvens helt automatiskt på 2,4MHz bandet.

Vad gäller flygsimulatorer så är det förståss bra att använda en sådan, men det kan inte helt ersätta live -flygning.
Har själv Icarus Aerofly professional Delux sedan 3 år tillbaka vilken fungerar mycket bra.

Vill du pröva på R/C flyg är du välkommen till oss i Upplands Väsby. Vi har skolflygning på Söndagar mellan kl. 1300-1500 i Upplands Väsby.

Yes. But only if the girl is over 18 and the goose is fresh.

Thx for the reply Red B.
You guys have convinced me

Jag har kollat på Futaba 6EXP 35MHz radion som ligger i min budget. Finns ju även JR MX-12 som verkar vara en bra radio den med.
Dessa verkar helt okey som både första och andra fjärr. 2.4 Ghz kostar ju lite mer.
Synd bara att Upplands-väsby inte är i närheten Är ju en bit dit... Men är det något man måste boka eller liknande? Hur länge kör ni med skolflyg innan vintern?
Fick tips på Rcflyg.se om Thunder Tiger Easy Trainer 40 som inte kostar allt för mycket om man ska köpa allt separat pga att man vill ha en annan radio. Kollade även på ett annat tips som blir lite billigare: http://rcmaffian.se/oscommerce_st/ca...roducts_id=552
Planet har jag aldrig hört talas om, men 2 av hans vänner på fältet hade tydligen lärt sig flyga på denna maskin och gillade det. Tror kanske det är bättre med Easy Trainern eftersom den har Semi-Symetrisk vinge vilket gör det lite roligare rent akrobatiskt
Blir nog så att jag önskar mig plan, motor och möjligen lite småsaker i julklapp och får se vad man får. För att sedan köpa en radio när man sparat ihop pengar man tjänat ihop genom extra jobb.
Då kommer jag tills säsongen börjar fått ihop ett bra förstaplan med alla nödvändiga saker och är redo för en förhoppningsvis rolig säsong med en Hel trainer

Hi!
I try to keep flight training going as long as possible, at least into the last weeks in November. But it depends on the weather. You don't have to book anything. Just come out a have a try. Flight training resumes in April. I would choose the JR radio! Definitely! JR (or Spektrum) makes very good radios. You can buy it from many of the companies on the webb. MFT is one of them.
http://www.mft.nu/

Regards!
Jan K
Väsby MF

Nice plane! Are you with the "Flygande Veteraner" and Daisy?
I think ill go check out my local club, and see if i can try-fly once But i am very thankful for your offer! Realy appriciate you want to help
Maybe a Futuba computer radio with 2.4 ghz bandwidth from second hand? Seems like they are quite cheap after only some months of usage

Hi!
I was a member 15 years ago.
Yes my DC-3 is built after "Daisy, Flygande Veteraners DC-3.

Oh I see. Im going in Bromma upper secondary school, which has quite good contact with the Flygande veteraner. Thats why i knew it was Daisy
Your plane looks really great!