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Old 02-09-2008 | 01:12 PM
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OK I have another question. I have the LP5DSM TX that came with my CX2, trying to be cheap do you think if I bought a AR6000 RX I could bind it with my TX and use it in the A-10? the guys at my LHS claim the TX has a two mile range (but I doubt it) but it still should be long enough range to fly the A-10. what do you think?
Maybe, maybe not. The CX2 as with any helicoptor couples the rudder with the throttle. Great for a helicopter but bad for an airplane.
Most helis do this mixing in the transmitter, some with 3in1 or 4in1 units like the CX2 do it in the receiver package. I don't know which way the CX2 handles this.
IF it is in the transmitter, unless you can find a way to dissable it, you won't be able to use it for airplanes.
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AHHHH!!!! think that is the way I will go. Was not able o try it today, snowing here.
Old 02-09-2008 | 04:08 PM
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You shouldn't have to. Voltage is voltage no matter what the source.
The ONLY difference in a ESC for Nicad/NiMh and Lipo is the cutout voltage, where the engine will quit letting you know it is time to land so you don't over discharge your battery which can ruin a lipo.
Yup and the included ESC should be a typical autosensing one, so this should not be a big problem...

Of course with LiPo's ideally you should NOT use the auto-cutoff anyway so a flight timer is a better option.

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AHHHH!!!! think that is the way I will go. Was not able o try it today, snowing here.
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AHHHH!!!! think that is the way I will go. Was not able o try it today, snowing here.
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Notice how pissed the pilot is? Thats because the thing won't stay in the air!
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Old 02-09-2008 | 07:31 PM
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cool---maybe the guy is too big
Old 02-11-2008 | 01:38 AM
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arrrggg!!!! what a gutless wonder!!! we tried flying the A-10 on Saturday. never had a range issue seeing how the only time I was more then 100 ft. away from the plane was during the "high speed taxiing" at full throttle and after about 80 ft of runway I got the plane about 6 ft in the air going into a small headwind of about 2-3 MPH. the "spruce goose" wanted to stall at a very mild climb rate so I leveled it off and flew it for 30-40 feet before it started loosing altitude and landing it out in a grass field. tried 2 more times with roughly the same effect. I tried swapping the battery from my Super Cub in it to see if the higher mah (SC is 1000 vs 650mah A-10) would help but had the same effect.
a little later some guys came out flying some planes and I talked to one of them and he said he has that plane and after swapping out the RX and servos to some better ones and installing a brush less ESC and two brush less 370's the plane flys really good. unfortunately he didn't have it with him at the time so I couldn't see it fly.
Old 02-11-2008 | 06:59 AM
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maybe you should contact Nitro and tell him that what he advertises the plane to do will not. See if he is a dealer that cares about the reputation of his company. I have not tried mine yet. Guess I was waiting to see if you were going to swap motors.
Old 02-11-2008 | 08:18 AM
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Hey sportsrider--do you know what kind of 370's he was using. I may just do that before I even try mine. I did not put landing gear on and I don't want it to just lawn dart in the ground with I hand launch it. Thanks
Old 02-11-2008 | 08:38 AM
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I contacted Nitro Model via chat and I think I got blowed off. Not sure but they didn't seem to concerned that the plane is under powered. Will see if they contact me by email. Hummmmmm maybe I shouldn't have spent my 100 dollars. Ya think
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I contacted Nitro Model via chat and I think I got blowed off. Not sure but they didn't seem to concerned that the plane is under powered. Will see if they contact me by email. Hummmmmm maybe I shouldn't have spent my 100 dollars. Ya think
Duh !!
Old 02-11-2008 | 09:52 AM
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You got that right Duh!!! When will I ever learn--only 68 yrs old you would think I would do that pretty soon
Old 02-11-2008 | 09:58 AM
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I would have at least waited and got the first report on the plane. Oh well.[&o] Sorry about the smart ***** sympathy. I do hate it when anyone wastes money like this.
Old 02-11-2008 | 10:11 AM
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I was buying for my grandson--who knows maybe it will fly--we haven't tried it yet. Just reading the other post is dis-hearting.
Old 02-11-2008 | 01:17 PM
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arrrggg!!!! what a gutless wonder!!! we tried flying the A-10 on Saturday. never had a range issue seeing how the only time I was more then 100 ft. away from the plane was during the "high speed taxiing" at full throttle and after about 80 ft of runway I got the plane about 6 ft in the air going into a small headwind of about 2-3 MPH. the "spruce goose" wanted to stall at a very mild climb rate so I leveled it off and flew it for 30-40 feet before it started loosing altitude and landing it out in a grass field. tried 2 more times with roughly the same effect. I tried swapping the battery from my Super Cub in it to see if the higher mah (SC is 1000 vs 650mah A-10) would help but had the same effect.
a little later some guys came out flying some planes and I talked to one of them and he said he has that plane and after swapping out the RX and servos to some better ones and installing a brush less ESC and two brush less 370's the plane flys really good. unfortunately he didn't have it with him at the time so I couldn't see it fly.
Changing those batteries is not going to have any effect. You merely upped the run time, not the actual output.

You need to go with a slightly higher voltage that is still within the range of the ESC.

Most of the NiCD equipped planes ( no matter WHO sells them ) come with grossly inadecuate batteries.
When you install the right batteries, the planes come alive. Unfortunately this is par for the course on cheaper RTF electrics.

Swap out the included batteries for the right set and it will be transformed.
Old 02-11-2008 | 01:24 PM
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arrrggg!!!! what a gutless wonder!!! we tried flying the A-10 on Saturday. never had a range issue seeing how the only time I was more then 100 ft. away from the plane was during the "high speed taxiing" at full throttle and after about 80 ft of runway I got the plane about 6 ft in the air going into a small headwind of about 2-3 MPH. the "spruce goose" wanted to stall at a very mild climb rate so I leveled it off and flew it for 30-40 feet before it started loosing altitude and landing it out in a grass field. tried 2 more times with roughly the same effect. I tried swapping the battery from my Super Cub in it to see if the higher mah (SC is 1000 vs 650mah A-10) would help but had the same effect.
a little later some guys came out flying some planes and I talked to one of them and he said he has that plane and after swapping out the RX and servos to some better ones and installing a brush less ESC and two brush less 370's the plane flys really good. unfortunately he didn't have it with him at the time so I couldn't see it fly.
Changing those batteries is not going to have any effect. You merely upped the run time, not the actual output.

You need to go with a slightly higher voltage that is still within the range of the ESC.

Most of the NiCD equipped planes ( no matter WHO sells them ) come with grossly inadecuate batteries.
When you install the right batteries, the planes come alive. Unfortunately this is par for the course on cheaper RTF electrics.

Swap out the included batteries for the right set and it will be transformed.
I am thinking a 3S lipo would make all the difference IF the ESC can handle it.
IF, as stated by other posters who have this airplane, you have to change the engines and electronics to get it to fly then the answer to the original post is "yes".
$100 for a foamy airframe is pricey.
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How do you know what voltage you can use--I don't see anything on the ESC. It is currently using a 9.6 NiCD I have a 11.1 LiPo
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Mine flys, just not a barn burner.
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How do you know what voltage you can use--I don't see anything on the ESC. It is currently using a 9.6 NiCD I have a 11.1 LiPo
Yup you are well within the margin of safety with the ESC.

If it comes with a 9.6 NiCD, you can typically use an 11.1v LiPo. The Lipo runs less than 11.1v when under load, so 1v is not going to make a big difference in terms of the ESC, but it will make a difference on how the plane performs in the air.

That will be the only thing you have to do.


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tried the LiPo--didn't seem to make any difference.
Old 02-11-2008 | 03:08 PM
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Something is not right.

It should have made a good amount of difference. You should even hear the props spin faster.

Could something be binding or resisting the rotation somewhere?

Old 02-11-2008 | 03:13 PM
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I could not tell the difference. same sound--I used the same esc. Just changed the battery--Geeze I am a nitro guy--don't know diddly about elec.
Old 02-11-2008 | 06:40 PM
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Well fellas,sorry for luring you all into this "pig",but I believe I'm going the brushless route,seen a few on you tube(GWS version)and it flys like a bat out of hell! The Tx/Rx is nothing but junk,changed that already,servos seem strong though. Good luck all,and keep us posted.
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Let me know if you change yours and how you did it.
Old 02-11-2008 | 10:36 PM
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goirish,check these three sites that I was refered to. Pretty cheap on the wallet! You will need two of each,motors and ESC's. not sure about batteries,still too new to that.


http://lightflightrc.com/HTML/products/SP_30A_ESC.htm

http://www.bidproduct.com/part/Produ...0MOTOR_40.html

http://www.bidproduct.com/part/Produ...BATTERY_2.html


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