Hi, Found a home for my Super Tigre G90, (Extra 300s 60-Turquoise)Found a lot of post on this plane, but not with the G90. Was reading a review on the G90 and I would like to know which setup would work best for this plane. Also would like to know. What is the best way to set up the servos? I have read post where the servos are set up in different ways, 2 elv servos with non-rev-y harness and 1 elv servo with the 2 pushrods tied together to 1 servo,ect. Servo size, battery size and voltage and prop size. If there are other setups that will work great with the G90 on this plane I would be very interested in reading.

Working in NJ this week will be finishing the F6F Hellcat 60 this weekend.

Thanks for all your help and support.

PERFORMANCE
Max. b.hp 2.35 @ 14,418rpm (open exhaust/5% nitro)
2.34 @ 11,670rpm (Bolly pipe @ 480 mm/5% nitro)
2.03 @ 8,891rpm (Genesis pipe @ 510 mm/5% nitro)
1.97 @ 12,768rpm (SuperTigre Quiet Muffler/5% nitro)

Max. Torque 231 @ 7,813rpm (Genesis pipe @ 510 mm)
229 @ 9,000rpm (Bolly pipe @ 480 mm)
220 @ 7,300rpm (open exhaust)
186 @ 5,923rpm (SuperTigre quiet muffler)

Being an ARF you may just want to follow the instructions. It looks like a Nitro Models Extra?? From what I can see in the photos it looks like they have already set it up for using long push rods. Other then the CG the engine doesn't mater a lot on the set up. You may find a lot more people in the ARF forum that have assembled and flown this plane and made some mods to it.

I have this plane and fly it with an OS 91 FX. I admit though that I got it second hand and will have to look and see if mine has a Y rod for the elevators or what. It flys well but it is not a 3D machine by any means. I Fly mine with an APC 15x4w prop and I can go from Take off to 3000 ft. Because the planes control surfaces do not lend them selves to 3D performance I am probably going to re-prop with a 14x6 sport prop.

EDIT:// Reinforce the landing gear block now! Mine ripped out on the first deadstick which also happened to be the first flight[:@]

Hi thanks for the info. What is the way to Reinforce the landing gear. Just started working with rc planes this is all new. Been building off of post that other RCU users posted to help. So far thay have worked out great. This site has alot of great help.

Thanks

Gary

It is a Seagull. The manual for this plane just states to use standard servo… Form the post and reviews I have read on this site this plane is a little different. The wing area on the plane in the review is 768.00 sq. inches and the one I have is 662.8 both planes have the same wing span and same weight. Would like to setup this plane the best I can. I found this plane at Hobby Hanger in VA just outside of WDC it has a little covering damage nothing that can be fixed. They give me a great price, cheaper then I can buy any were else + no shipping. I travel from city to city for the company I work for, nothing to do but play on the internet when in motels. So this is the time I use to find info I’m looking for, like learning, it’s my 2nd hobby, building models is my first. Would like to learn how to select the proper equipment without guessing.


Thanks for your quick reply and help.

Speaking of the Seagull Edge 300S; I see a lot of info about them and Phoenix models, but hardly a single post on other brands. No threads are up on the new Great Planes 300SP, and I have seen little info on their Edge 540. The new Escapade got one review, but apparently not nearly as much interest as the Hangar-9 Mustang PTS. Do Great Planes models have issues with flight stability or quality control? Could their price have something to do with the lack of interest? Most of what I see here about Great Planes is either the Top-Flite Staggarwing or Great Planes Revolver. If they only make one aircraft (the Revolver) that people consider as worth owning, I tend to get a little concerned.

The Seagull looks nice, by the way.

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The crude drawing below is as if you were looking inside the plane where the landing gear bolts come through the landing gear block. I had to completeley replace mine as it ripped out and snapped in half after a reletively light pancake landing. The red rectangles represent 1/4 inch balsa stock that I epoxied (do not use CA here) in place. I then used an epoxy brush and liberaly painted all the corners and joints being careful not to epoxy my landing gear bolts Hope this helps.

I just have to ask, and I'm surprised that nobody else has asked this. You look like you are doing a great job putting your plane together, and it sounds like you have a couple of fairly advanced planes about ready to go. It also sounds like you are new to the hobby. Are the Extra and the Hellcat your first planes? If so, I hope that you get some help with learning to fly using a trainer and work your way up to these birds.

Good luck


Edit - I just saw another of your threads, and I see that you also have a Nexstar and a PTS Mustang. Sounds like you are all set. I applaud you for jumping into the hobby with both feet

Good luck

Servo selection is always a tough question. My stock answer is to always buy the best servos you can afford. They will be with you for a very long time and you will advance over the years. This little light weight plane will fly very well with just standard servos but if you like you can get bigger or better servos. The set up on your plane is a Y for the elevators and I think it calls for a pull/pull rudder? The Nitro planes did anyway. I always run my strongest servos on the rudder and elevator. I have a nice 60 size scratch build on my bench now and have a full set of the HT 5475 servos for it. These are the low end Hitec digitals, about $35.00 a piece that I bought several years ago for another plane and have been using them on and off for years. Nothing great but nice for a small stunt plane. JR makes a nice digital sport servo also that isn't a bad price. Stangs drawing isn't bad at all. I use angle stock myself but as long as you get something in there to help support the LG block you will be better off. Thin down some Epoxy and fuel proof everything you can get to. I have noticed that a lot of the ARFs today are starting to come fuel proofed out of the box but I still do it again. I think Seagull ARFs are made by CMP just like Nitro Planes?? Who knows. Not bad flying planes and the price is right!!

I think great planes prices may be the main reason. My phoenix extra was $120 and the quality is outstanding! It's not a 3D plane, but is very aerobatic. The new GP extra 300sp prolly won't be discussed much here because it is a full blown 3D plane. Most people in here could fly one, but not sure if they could put its 3D potential to good use. I think MinnFlyer was actually building the jet looking plane that GP makes. The Hangar 9 arfs are the ones that I have always heard that are crummy birds.

Wrong about the H-9s. I don't fly ARFs myself but I do assemble a lot of them for other people and have got to compare the different ones sold. The quailty of the lower end ARFs has a lot to be desired and most of them are clones to each other. When I looked into them a bit more I discovered a lot of them are made by one company and sold under different brand names. Not bad products for the price but some people prefer a better product and will pay the price for them.. After you assemble a few more of these you will start to notice things like the wood, glue, screws and hardware used in different makes of ARFs. Try doing instead of hearing.

When I "hear" the most experienced guys in the club call them junk and say that they will never buy another, then I will listen. Maybe they all got bad ones, but they all said that the glue joints were weak and always needed reinforcement. When the IMAAC champ says he doesn't trust H9 arfs, then maybe there is something to it.

My phoenix extra had lots of glue, perfect covering, and needed zero reinforcement in the gear area. I've bounced it and bent the gear a couple times without any cracks or problems with the wood. Maybe some peoples definition of quality are just different.

So far this season [09] I have assembled one Wild Hare Extra, one Nitro Planes 90 size Extra, two H-9 pulses 60s and one H-9 Funtana 100. All very nice planes as far as ARFs go. Wild Hare is a high end plane of about 30% so it's not in the same class as these lower end planes. Of the lower end planes the H-9 was the best constructed using the best materials. That's from what I have seen. Nuff said.

Yes New tp hobby. While working on a job in Scott Depot WVA about 45 mi away form my home I found a LHS. This is where I bought my corsair 40 kit. One or the saleman offered to help teach me to fly at thier local club (The flying Hillbillys). Been trying to make time to but work is very bussy right now. When I get home from out of town the first thing I will do is to spend time with my little girl. Then if I have time left I hope I can begain my flying lessons, can't wait. Building time on planes I stay up late to do. Right now I have 5 planes to finish 3 are kit builds 2 are ARF's, so I have a lot of questions to ask and a lot of learing to do...I like this hobby very much. Also I have been collecting stamps for about 28 years would like to sale or trade for rc planes or equipment. Hope to here from you again.

Thanks.

Hi here is some photos from my assembly manual. If you see anything I need to change that will get me into trouble plesae let my know and also how to fix.

Thanks

Very good instructions. As designed the plane is set up very well and will work fine. If you use the rudder a lot you may want to install a pull/pull system instead of the single rod they have. I fly a lot of old turn around pattern just for fun and do a lot of knife edge flying so I like all the strength I can get on the rudder but for general flying the set up shown is pretty good and very easy to set up. Very impressive plane and they did a lot of thinking in the design and set up.

I have assembled 3 Phoenix planes and 3 Great Planes this season. Phoenix is as good or even better than the Great Planes, and much less expensive.

I have learned through my experiences that both manufacturers sell heavy planes. If I'm going to buy a heavy plane, I want a cheap heavy plane. If I'm going to get myself a high-end plane, for about the same cost as a Great Planes 25% I can get something nearly 3lbs lighter from another manufacturer.

At this stage of the game I don't know that I would replace the Venus II if I lots it. If it happened sooner than later, I'd probably go with a Piedmont Focus Sport and get a removable canopy and adjustable wings.

OP - Phoenix planes are awesome planes. As was mentioned above, I hope you will have some trainer experience before you fly planes like the Extra, otherwise it's life will PROBABLY be very short. Being as Phoenix planes run heavy and you are probably not up to having a full appreciation for fully independent and adjustable stabs, I'd say go with the single servo for the elevator and save weight.

If it were me with that plane, I would buy [link=http://centralhobbies.com/control_linkage/deps1.html]this[/link] for quality, ease, light weight, and low friction.

Best of luck!

No you wouldn't!!! Joe, Hobby People is having a Presidents Day sale {4 days} and has 15% and 20% fuel on sale $15.00 and $23.00. This sale has the Magnum .91 for $150.00 too. Not sure if this is just the west coast or nation wide?
Gene

Gary if I use the pull/pull system instead of the single rod what parts do I need? I read a little on this system. Cables instead or rods. Here is the pictuer on what I read on this system, alot of questions.



Plane Specifications
wingspan 63"
wing area 662.8
weight 6.6-7.5
length 45.9
recommended engine size .61-.75 2-stroke/.72-1.15 4 stroke.

Will be using a Super Tiger g90. How do you think this engine will work with this plane?

Thanks Greg

Just do a search for pull/pull and there are a gang of threads on them. I'm sure Ken or Minn have done it with pictures. I make up my own pull/pull systems using different sizes of braided stainless fishing leaders and a Debro assembly I buy at my LHS. I think I have a couple planes with the system out in my shop and I can post photos for you with the parts. There are pull/pull systems you can buy too. It's not a must do thing though. With a good running well broken in .91 it will be a power house. That weight of plane will fly well with any good .60 to .91 engine. I haven't ever run the ST .91 myself so I can't really say anything about that engine. These days in the smaller glow engines I run the SK.91 for two strokes and OS, Saito or YS in that range for four strokes. I'm sure someone here or in the ARF forum has used the combo and would know more about it then me. I ran the SK .91 in a kit built Extra 260 about the same size only a bit more weight, about 8 pounds and it worked out perfect for me if that is any help. If you look up the Nitro PLanes 90 size Extra 300 and look at the specs I just assembled one of those with a Saito 100 in it, another good choice, as I recall it was about the same size and weight.

Hi will this work good for pull system on rudder and Elevators? (Futaba S9303 servo metal gear) I think that I will go with this system on both the rudder and Elevators. Willing to give it a try. Found parts on Du-Bro website. I can buy the Heavy Duty Dual Pull-Pull System for 12.10 + shipping. If you know of a cheaper place to buy let me know.

Thanks

The kit will work fine. Why would you want to go to a PP elevator? The Y system they have already installed is really a pretty good system and very strong. When I mentioned the PP rudder it was just something I noticed that if it was a plane for myself I would maybe change. The maybe is because sometimes changing something in an ARF is more work then I would bother with because of the lack of return on my time. The last time I did a PP elevator was on a scale Tiger Moth and they aren't a lot of fun to install or set up, the added servo is often a pain to find a good place to mount on a smaller plane and added weight. The second one I built I just went with a Y. If you want to make a plane with a lot of changes then you may want to buy something like the GP Extra kit and build it the way you want it. For now you may want to just assemble this ARF to the plans, fly it and enjoy yourself while you build yourself a plane with all the trick stuff and mods. Just a thought. There are some good threads on building different kits over in the kit building forum you may want to look at just to give you some idea of what some of the other guys are doing and any problems or mods. Kits aren't hard to build and it could open up a complete new world of fun for you.

Gary the reason I was thinking about doing on this plane is for the learning exp. Would really like to do this on my Hellcat 60, I have read post about the pushrods having problems from not being supported. I rather learn on a less $ plane then higher priced one. But I think that I will take your advice. I will still install this system on the Hellcat 60 Thanks for your help......

Anyone had the seagull 300s with 65" wing span. I just wanted to know if it fit into Graupner from hobby lobby.
Thanks, Tom

Hi post 1 shows the componets that will be installed in my plane. Please tell me what you think.

Thanks

Firstly if I don't mention it here I would use the same thing or compairable... and keep in mind my situation may be different than yours. For example I take my Pheonix Extra 300s to the feild completely assembled in a Ford Expedition. If you are putting this in a Mini Cooper you may not have that option.

Switch: Consider an [link=http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA004]MPI type[/link] switch that allows you to charge the plane without removing the canopy.

Battery: 2500 Mah is a lot for this plane but digital servos use more power. Ensure you have a charger that can handle it in a reasonable amount of time. 1500 ish Mah is plenty if you go to a good analog ball bearing servo.

Engine: The Supertiger engines are not my favorite but I have found the "Italian" made ones run really good. I have two including a 90.

Servos: More than you need but that is your choice.

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