Read this very slow:
Make sure your CG is a little heavy. In other words when you lift the plane at the balance point given in the manual ensure the nose of the aircraft is just tilting down. What this will do is make the airplane more stable for you and more forgiving. Next thing to do is taxi. if it takes a little throttle to get it going just back it down before it gets light on the wheels. It appears your airplane is right aileron heavy. The fix is to turn your turnbuckle on the right aileron a turn or a couple of clicks to the right with the trim on your radio.

Here is the best advice I can give to you. If you have access or can get access to the realflight simulator this is the best training aid out there right now in my opinion. If you can find one that is less expensive go for it. Train on the simulator first then go fly.

If I can help you out with anything feel free to e-mail me personally.

Glenn Williams
[email protected]
Fort Worth, Texas
AMA# 938050

Not enough throttle...go wide open, and only reduce throttle once it has gained quite a bit of altitude...

Not enough throttle...go wide open, and only reduce throttle once it has gained quite a bit of altitude...

Sims are good for learning flight control but they don't teach you anything about airplane setup. You really need to park your airplane until you can get some help in person from an experienced flyer. I'll wager that in one day of instruction, you'll walk away with a properly set up airplane and the knowledge to take off and land without breaking it. Everything else you can learn on your own.

I have clearview flight simulator and i flown few times on simulator. I find it very easy to fly on simulator than in real life. In simulator, plane doesnt makes unexpected move.....

I feel that my plane is trimmed and setup properly thats why i m having problems...

I guess i m in luck.. an experienced flyer is coming to my campus for some kind of competition... I will surely talk to him and see how it goes..

Thats great to hear chasnl..take your plane with you when you meet him.._BW

Hi, I just start flying two months ago, I use a Trainer plane and a friend's help, but practice is the only way to learn so I bough a flight simulator the G4.5 it is great i really recomend you to do this because you can crash as many times you want, also you can add environmental stuff like high cross winds and simulate problems with the plane and controls, and the best is that you can fly every day as much as you want, i trained a lot and yesterday was my first fly by my self and i was very confident, I hope this can help you too.

Keep trying

AMEN TO THAT, I have three guys flying now that were trained on my real flight sim. It is a valuable tool for teaching dumb thumbs.

Hi chasni
What are you studying in college? I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer. I hope you will believe the following and learn something from it. When I was a young engineer I made a mistake with the cooling propeller on an engine driven air compressor I had designed. I had purchase the wrong propeller (In that application it is called a cooling fan, like in a car) and it cost my company a great deal of money, but I learned something that almost know body flying R/C plane knows. So I'm telling you an open secret. The propeller on our R/C planes can be mounted in one of two ways. In this discussion DO NOT CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF ROTATION OF THE MOTOR. In each of the two ways the air will blow in the the same direction. Please read this again because you stated this wrong in one of your earlier posts and that is why I am writing this. When mounted correctly the propeller will give 100% performance. When mounted backward the air will blow in the same direction as before, but the amount of air will be greatly reduced. I cannot remember the correct figure but I believe the performance drops to about 60%. I am writing this in consideration that English is not your first language so forgive me if I am writing this exceptionally clear and simple, and repeating things. If you look at the end of your propeller from the tip toward the center you will notice that one side is more rounded than the other. The rounded side is similar to the top of the wing on your plane. This rounded side must be toward the direction of travel of the plane. The more flat side is similar to the bottom side of your wing. The propeller will also have a rounded leading edge (LE) and a sharp trailing edge (TE), just like the wing on your plane. The rounded LE must lead the propeller as it rotates, and the sharp trailing edge must trail the propeller, just like the wing on your plane. Now you know more than maybe 95% of the people flying R/C. You do not have to know any of this to fly R/C. If you see a plane that cannot get off the ground, the propeller may be mounted backward. Please do not judge correct propeller mounting, as I have seen many others do, by the location of the lettering on the propeller. Not all propeller manufacturers put the lettering on the same side. Let me know what you think about what I have written. This is not complex, but it is possible I wrote something wrong. If you or someone else sees a mistake I made, please let me know.

Usually the printing is on the Front of the propeller..or in the case of plastic..the raised lettering.-Much simpler to remember-BW

Wouldn't moving the right trim lever to the right make the right aileron more heavy? Are the controls moving in the right direction? When the right stick is moved to the right, does the right aileron move UP? I think the throws need to be cut down. I would start off with 1/4" throw each way on the elevator and ailerons. Too much throw will get you in a stall real fast. If you reduce the throws, you might have a better chance of understanding what is happening....

Larry

I have always taken into consideration what the plans and manual show for the center of gravity... although, I feel that any time I check the balance on a straight wing aircraft, the balance point should be on the main spar of the wing(the thickest part of the airfoil). If the balance is set there, you should just need to trim the plane out. make sure that the plane is ready to fly when you balance it... i.e. battery installed, all radio equipment mounted and not allowed to move and you should be ok.

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Whatever you do, don't hand launch the plane! I have been flying for 30+ years and that is about the worst advice I've heard. Everyone knows that unless you're flying a sailplane or glider that you cannot hand launch a plane above stall characteristics of the wing. This usually ends up with disasterus results. The only way you're gonna learn to fly RC is to get help from an experienced flier or go buy yourself a 3 channel electric glider like the Parkzone Radian. My son successfully flew and landed this plane WITH ME ADVISING HIM, the first time. There are to many issues with control reversals when the plane is coming toward you for the brain to comprehend without help from an experienced pilot. Trust me, I have seen many a full scale pilot try to fly RC after landing their Delta passenger planes thinking they are too good to get help from someone and they end up pile driving their planes nose first right into the ground! There has got to be someone locally that can help you, just do a little research. Don't feel like an idiot because you cannot fly by yourself, RC is VERY challenging until your brain can deal with the motor skills necessary to handle right is left and left is right when the plane is coming right at you. There are a FEW self taught RC pilots out there but with the available flight sims these days this is a LITTLE more attainable than it used to be. RC can be a very rewarding hobby with a little patience. Please GET HELP and you will enjoy the hobby for many years to come, if not it WILL end in frustration and you will miss a lot of good times. Heck RC is as much about building relationships as it is about flying anyway, so go find someone to help you! The thing that helped me the most when I was learning to fly was to think, LOWWING, if the plane was coming back at me, which means move the aileron stick to the LOWWING side of the plane to level the wings especially upon landing. Flying the plane is not really that hard, the challenge is getting it back on the ground safely and where you want it to be.If you really want to be frustrated ,go buy yourself a helicopter! OH, just now noticed where you were from, INDIA,! may be a little hard to find an instructor over there. Good luck anyway!

Don't know if it will help or not, I’m self taught at flying RC Planes and have been flying them since 1983. Most of the time I bring the birds down in the recommended number of pieces (Glitches aside!).

My best advice, like many others here in the forum;

1. Get a flight simulator/Instructor. (You already have the SIM)

2. Make sure when you check the CG (Center of Gravity) that the aircraft is slightly nose heavy. Check the CG balance point which is usually at the main spar of the wing, approx 1/3 back from the leading edge of the wing. If the aircraft is NOT balanced slightly nose heavy, you will be fighting to keep the aircraft in the air (too touchy). When learning to fly, nose heavy is good, because it makes the aircraft less sensitive to control inputs.

3. Make sure to check all control surface throws and that they are going in the right direction (you might need help on this one). Once in the air, use small inputs and take it slow when flying.

4. If you can't/won’t get an instructor (got to do it on your own!), these are some of the tricks I have had success with while I was learning: One of the most difficult tasks flying an RC Aircraft is when you start to turn the plane around to come back towards you, most (if not all) beginners get disoriented and loose control. (The aircraft controls are now reversed).

With plane is coming right at you, move the control stick towards the dipped wing, this will level the plane out. Practice this allot, it works like a charm.

Another method controlling the plane while coming towards you, turn your body in the direction the plane is traveling and look at the plane over your shoulder. This might work.

Last thing I remember that helped me in my learning to fly RC is I made imaginary flights where I would practice a flight and simulate what inputs I would need as I flew the imaginary plane through it’s paces. (By the way, I taught myself to fly RC back before there was flight sims!) It helped me.

Hope this help’s; the people who succeed in flying RC Aircraft are those who are persistent. If you can get it an instructor it will ramp up your learning curve, save you allot of time, money and frustration. If you go it on your own, a lot of money, patients and C.A. will help! Good luck, Steve
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Hi Bonified Wingnut
My friend totaled a Rutan style Canard with pusher prop by following your suggestions about 6 months ago. Very sad. The letters were printed on the "wrong" side but the prop manufacturer felt otherwise. He had a prop I had never heard of before. My explanation is very long because I was writing to someone in India. The principle is very simple, interesting, and short. If you understand it there is nothing to remember. I see no reason for you to change anything. Most people go by the lettering.

Don't do this, it is a sure way to trash the plane quick!

Get a sim and learn to control it if you can't find help. It will save you a ton of frustration and money.

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Yes, take your plane with you, when you go to talk to the other flyer. If you don't take it with you, it will be just like getting advice here. We are all glad to help, but unless we can look at the plane, we are only guessing as to the problem. And I never met a flyer that would not take the time to chat with a beginer. ( there are a few bad apples out there, I just never met one) And most important.....LET US KNOW how it goes and what if any was the answer to the problem. Keep on flying.

I am sorry if I sounded like i wasn't agreeing with you. I typed the message before I read your entire post. I was wrong and in a rush..again sorry-BW

Chasni, Keep with it! I am a noob too and center of gravity can be a bit of a B but I have found out (mostly from here) that there can be other factors involved. I don't know if it has been mentioned, but what kind of battery are you using? If t is as NiHM you might have a bad battery which may be causing your power issues. If not, is the battery fully charged? May seem silly but I have had some issues with batteries not having full charges and that will definatly affect your power. As stated before, if you can't take off from the ground don't attempt a hand launch, whether it is you launching or a friend. This is a recipe for disaster, from one in-experienced wana-be pilot to another. Best of luck.

Brett

Thanx everyone for your support and suggestions...

I feel that I wont be able to reverse my propeller even by mistake because the groove on the prop is such that it wont fit the shaft..

Today is the day of my meeting with the flier.. let see how it goes....

Good thinking hairlesshippy.... fly in a parking lot amongst the parked cars... not a good idea for an experienced pilot, and really bad for YOU!!!

I just checked out the plane you got and am also a relatively new pilot (2 years)
Heres a few things I would try.
this plane should be able to take off without that rear wheel even on, adding a larger one will put the CG back even more!
those front wheel "spars" look to be too springy, this will push the wheels out and make them not roll straight.
my first 4 channel plane did this too much lift then sharp bank to the right and fall out of the sky trick. this is what fixed it for me, the cg's on these asian sourced planes I have found to be incorrect. mine was incorrect as when I checked more thoroughly, the cg was for a brushed/nimh setup , they them throw a brushless motor (lighter at the front) and a small lipo battery (lighter in the center) and leave the cg the same on the manual......
the next thing for me was the motor mount. mine was plastic so I had to shim it with washers.
it needs to point 6 degrees down and 2 to the right. If it is level or up it will pull itself up into a stall and fall out of the sky.
If it cannot pull itself along with that motor on the ashphalt there is something grabbing. bend the wheel 'spars' springs whatever you call them so the wheels are straight up and down and pointing exactly forward to reduce drag.
That little b'less motor should easy pull it up, I have used a few similar ones.
When you meet your experienced pilot, ask him to fly it and tell him he is not responsible for anything and not to feel bad if it does the same for him and falls out of the sky as this is learning and you need to find out if it is the plane or the new pilot.
Does your radio have expo or dual rates? this is a huge advantage for new pilots to turn down the thumb speed! if not, make sure your control rods are on the slowest point of attachment on the horns.

this high wing should taxi straight, then take off and float without input if it is setup right and you have a long enough runway.

personally, I woudl recommend putting on the shelf, buying a multiplex easystar 3 channel, get used to flying without wheels and ailerons so it is fun. then when you can take off, land and have fun with it confidently. get the 4 channel back out!

Hi... I started flying 2 years ago in Norway... whitout knowing anything about airplanes.... i started to think what airplane do i want in 1 year...
so I started to think on model nr 3 before even flying... I found out what engine it required, servo, reciver etc..... then I found a good nr 2 model. (giant super sportster) that could take the same engine, servo reciver etc... and then I found my trainer a world model super frontier senior... it looked like ****
bu it was BIG. and big flyes better... and since I already knew that I would crash it and then have a lot of nice equipemt ready for the nr 2 model I let my shoulder down. and flew... it didnt look good but it flew...
Hugh wings, a OS 200 engine in a trainer! very nose heavy, all low rate setings, and 1000 miles of taxing later and I where a pilot.

So I think that that the small el airplanes that you could get for 5$ are taking away alot of the motivation for new pilots since they are flying like a paper in the wind.
Buy a hugh trainer with a big engine and it will fly steady and slow... WHEN you crash you just have to buy a new airframe for your nr 2 model and not everything just alittle bigger then what you already have...


Siggen from Norway