Hi Y'all[&o]

Last Saturday 10 days before my Bday, as tomorrow May 18 is my Birthday and I have no planes to fly. My Hangar 9's Mustang PTS crashed due to my stupid mistake. I used as per recommendation of my LHS owner 10X7 prop, which I felt made plane not very higher on rpms but little sensitive. I wanted to badly to replace 10X7 by 11X6 but I kept flying and thats I'm talking about the first flight. I did rolls, verticals, loops and everything, I tried to take a low pass inverted as soon as I tried to turn it to make it straight, it took a sharp left turn BOOOM, hit the ground so hard that I saw 2 to 5 inches pit in the ground. Here goes my Mustang in pieces [&o][&o][&o][&o] All totally my mistake. Escapade crashed due to receiver, Mustang crashed due to my mistake, if I had that plane on a good altitude prolly I would have been able to recover it, I think prop also played somewhat a role in it. Now I have no plane to fly until another month as my college would start in the month of June, and some of the money would be left from my course to buy me another Mustang and prolly T-34 Mentor. I still feel bad and hurt about my plane.

I'm gonna post the pictures of crash, engine is intact, receiver's cover came out loose, I snapped it back in, so Receiver Electron 6 is working alright, one servo's gone bad, tank's gone bad, battery pack intact. I'm at work now and not much busy today, and I'm gonna keep y'all posted and gonna post crash pix. Pray for me[&o][&o]. 2 brand new plane crashes, but I'm not broken-hearted, I'd continue to fly.

Thanks for your support in advance,


Mody

Mody,
 Sorry to hear about your crashes. While they are hard to accept they are part of the hobby though.

I do have on concern. Reusing the receivers without having them checked out. A receiver can easily be damaged in a crash, and many times that damage does not show itself until the plane is subjected to stresses and vibration in flight, this means the receiver may appear to work on the ground but once it's in the air it will fail. Especially if the crash was enough to snap the cover off of the receiver it could have easily damaged the receiver elements as well. Your best bet is to send the receiver in and have it checked before you use it in a plane again. After any crash I always send the receiver in for service before I'll ever use it in a plane again.

Ken

Thanks Ken,

Unfortunately it's the worst part of the hobby but when planes are up in the air, crash sometimes becomes inevitable. Against all the odds, I'd continue to fly the plane and continue this hobby[sm=punching.gif][sm=thumbup.gif]. As far are receiver is concerned, I'd certainly get it checked, as my plane was on WOT and the jolt must've been hard enough that bottom cover of receiver came off.

Mody

What the heck is "prolly T-34 Mentor" ? Do you mean "Probably" or is this a new manufacturer?

Stay three mistakes high. You aren't ready for low inverted passes.

Prolly is of course probably, just like heck is used instead of hell, and I forgot to put comma , after prolly. Yes I'm also considering Hangar 9's T-34 Mentor.

The 10 X 7 prop (vs. an 11 x 6) would have made it slower at the top-end but more responsive to throttle changes - like driving your car in third gear instead of fourth. How do you figure that caused you to crash?

1fasthitman-> I guess you are right I'm not ready for the inverted low passes , I had always been comfortable flying inverted and having high altitude passes. Secondly I don't think Mustang has been designed for low passes, I may be wrong.

Charlie P> What I think my mistake is I'm sure 10X7 prop made my plane more sensitive as well as more responsive than with 11X6. While having an inverted low pass I should have pushed/moved the gimbal forward so plane could have gained some height then I should have rolled it over to make it straight, rather than doing that what I just said, I rolled the plane with high speed full throttle and plane turned and took a quick left nose dive and hit the ground so hard and crashed. If plane was may be 300 to 600 feet, I would have been able to recover it but I learned a lesson from my mistake.

I'd like your opinion guys Hangar 9's P51 Mustang is a plane that can be used for an inverted fast low pass? but for higher altitude I have done that and it does get pretty sensitive when it's inverted thats what my experience is, I don't know what you guys say?


Mody

Here are the pix of my Mustang before and after. I finally got to installed from my cellphone. Also pix of my Escapade which crashed before Mustang[&o][&o][&o][&o][&o].

I feel like I have been stranded and left in the lurch with no plane to fly.[&o]

http://www.nitroplanes.com/newnigassptr.html if youre on a budget like most of us are....thats a really nice plane, a young pilot in my club has one...looks very well built...flew well with an LA 40

low inverted passes get UGLY VERY QUICK. imo its one of the scariest manuvers you can do, hovering a few inches off the ground or doing rolling circles 10ft off the ground has nothing on trying an inverted highspeed pass a foot off the ground. the plane naturally wants to go into the ground so if you arnt quick on your toes that is exactly what will happen, and when your not ready for it and going 70+mph you dont stand a chance when your that low. even when going slow the plane stalls different that it would upright and until you are used to it it is a very helpless feeling.

Hi armody,

Sorry to hear about your prangs but as some of the others have said it is part of this hobby. If you never fly them you will never crash 'em. My two cents of advice is to get yourself a Multiplex Easy Glider Pro. That way you will always have something to fly as they are difficult to crash and even more difficult to damage and lots of FUN to fly.

I always take an electric glider to the field and even if I have little time to myself in between students I always find time to fly the glider. Thirty to fourty five seconds of motor run can lead to having to spin the model down so you can see it if there is any lift about. Two of my students learnt the basics of R/C flying on a few weekends flying Easy Gliders and progressed to solo on other more demanding models after only a couple of flights on the buddy box.

Select and build/assemble your next choice of model but if you have something like the Easy Glider in your hanger no matter what happens with your other models you will still have something to fly.

Cheers,

Colin

Mody, I'd recommend the World Models T-34. It is very stable, aerobatic, and most reasonably priced. You won't be disappointed. Jim

http://www.airborne-models.com/html/...p?ProductID=46

Sad to see those pics.............but, cheer up!!!!

Lesson learned, move on, you have many years to fly and enjoy many more models.

Happy birthday, Mody!!!!!

Mody, HAPPY BIRTHDAY! You will get past this.

As crashes go, that was a good one! If you're going to break your airplane, you might as well do it right!

Happy Birthday Mody!

MetallicaJunkie-> Thats nice plane but regular trainer and after flying P 51 Mustang twice, Escapade and Mid winger plane like easy sport, I don't wanna fly a trainer again but as far as price is concerned, it's certainly a great price, but I'd love to have one trainer again. Thanks a lot Metallica.

jimmyjames I know what you are talking about, inverted low passes get nasty, inverted higher passes are much more easy to recover your plane cos of altitude. Thanks.

Crash Campbell Thank you very much for your great advice but I'm really not a glider person, I'd certainly go for electric planes or EDF's but not glider. Your advices have been great and appreciated

faulknej I always goto their website, but never saw this Mentor, it's good price Thanks a lot JIM. Prolly I'd go for it. I also like LA Racer & LA Flyer.

LNEWQBAN Thank you very much, moved to a new house on last Saturday in Magnolia, flying field is only 4 miles away from my house. Turned 41 today, don't feel it that way, I'm feeling I turned 21. Lesson learned. Desperately waiting to get a new plane, as bills piled up a lot was not working for a month, Thank God, I'm working now. Wife says wait a month until most of the bills have been paid. Gonna celebrate my Bday either this Saturday or Sunday as I'm working.

Mr67Stang Thanks a lot, thats what I'm trying very hard to do it, as it was my mistake, I just can't get out of my mind how could I have been so stupid to have made such a mistake. I'm trying my best to get past it. Thanks again.

MinnFlyer Thank you very much I really appreciate it.

Guys/Friends Great Flyers, Thank you very much for your such kind words, encouragement and trying to make me cheer up, and I'm trying my best to do it. Only killer is when would I be able to spare money I don't know, having an American wife means money is in her control as of course she wants all the bills to be paid which have been piled up and I would want that as well. It's my 3rd week on this job, and 2nd pay check would be on this Friday. Living paycheck to paycheck, but I'd buy a plane, also some of the money would be left from my college registeration and would be refunded back to me, so I'd be able to use it for my plane in the mid or end of June. No plane to fly until mid or end of June but I'm not gonna give up on it and not gonna stop this great hobby and I'd continue to do it as long as I'm breathing. I'll fly again soon[sm=thumbs_up.gif][sm=thumbup.gif]

Thank y'all and happy flying

Mody

Sorry I'd like to add up one more thing here.

Having 10x7 two blade prop did not do justice rather than having 11X6 Prop. I'm not gonna use any prop on .45 or .46 Motor other than 11X6.

Sorry about the loss Armody. Like Minn said - when you crash you do it good hey

I'm sure time will pass by very quickly and before you know it you will be flying again. Those were very nice planes and I'm sure your next is going to be just as much fun. This is how we learn. I almost flew straight into the ground with the plane right side up in a high speed low flyby

Happy Birthday!!!! *sings* Happy birthday to you, Happy birthday to you.... okay I won't torture you any longer

Thank you very very much Korps

I really appreciate your kind words, encouragement and of course you did not torture me at all

Happy flying


Mody

Big Ed Mustafa's secrets to RC flying success #203: Whenever you crash an aircraft, you should buy two to replace it. This way you won't run out of them.

biged,

I had 2 planes, First I bought was Mustang and the other one was Escapade. Escapade got crashed due to receiver's fault, it was bad, and other plane Mustang crashed due to my mistake, so I had 2 planes, now none.

Mody

Sorry about the loss. That was one big mess !!! It's part of the hobby, but have a Happy Birthday. Like Crash Campbell, I too take a electric powered glider with me to the field so if I have a problem I'll have some thing to fly. When testing a new plane, I always take two other planes with me if I am going to be at the field most of the day. It's easy for me to say take a couple of planes, I have about 80 planes with 30 ready to fly/crash.

dont blame the prop, while that prop could have raised your stall speed slightly the 11x6 would have lagged your engine a lot more which could have hurt you even worse. i would use a 11x5, doesnt bog your engine down as much yet lowers your stall speed quite a bit (this is asumbing your engine is running and under some throttle).

Stall speed has nothing to do with the prop. The stall speed is a function of lift and your wing configuration. Most planes won't continue to fly with the engine at idle speed and if your plane speed falls below what will sustain lift, so no matter what prop you use, if you pull the throttle back to idle and fall below the speed that your wing flys, well, it will stall.

CGr.