Doubled my fuel economy!
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Doubled my fuel economy!
Ok! I thought of a way over the weekend to increase fuel mileage and decided to try it on a new go tech 26 which had to come apart anyway because the pinch was too tight. I typically would get about 8-10 min runs on a 125cc tank depending on mixture set.
Well, after the mod I was shocked! I knew it would work but didn't think it would be so dramatic. With a rich setup I turned in an 18:52 min runtime! This has far exceeded my expectations! I made other mods to increase power which offset the fuel economy mod. So now I have neglegable performance gain but fantastic mileage.
How much would it be worth to be able to pit 1 time in a 30 min race?
Well, after the mod I was shocked! I knew it would work but didn't think it would be so dramatic. With a rich setup I turned in an 18:52 min runtime! This has far exceeded my expectations! I made other mods to increase power which offset the fuel economy mod. So now I have neglegable performance gain but fantastic mileage.
How much would it be worth to be able to pit 1 time in a 30 min race?
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
No, I want keep it to myself for a little while until I find out what kind of mod market there would be! $$$$ I can tell you that I changed crank-case pressurization timing but will show no pics yet!
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I am not Corporate....!!!!! I just know how they work and don't want anyone stealing this idea! I have already given enough information that an engineer or engine builder should understand what is going on!
I need to duplicate results and fiqure the math! Also, a side effect of what I have done is low idle speed! Even with the physical idle set all the way in it idles slow! However, it is crazy stable and refuses to stall out even after a long full speed/high temp pass. I can let off and when rpm go low enough clutch disengages and engine goes almost silent but does not stall!
I need to duplicate results and fiqure the math! Also, a side effect of what I have done is low idle speed! Even with the physical idle set all the way in it idles slow! However, it is crazy stable and refuses to stall out even after a long full speed/high temp pass. I can let off and when rpm go low enough clutch disengages and engine goes almost silent but does not stall!
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I am not Corporate....!!!!! I just know how they work and don't want anyone stealing this idea! I have already given enough information that an engineer or engine builder should understand what is going on!
I am not Corporate....!!!!! I just know how they work and don't want anyone stealing this idea! I have already given enough information that an engineer or engine builder should understand what is going on!
How about letting the rest of us in on the secret?
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
I've heard of people making 12 mins approximately, under racing circumstances. That would be running dangerously lean and is more like the time you'd expect for a lean tuned .21, I'm not sure about 26s, cos they're not widely used in racing, where runtimes actually mean something.
...by the way I'm also considering the value of this topic, since it is just a claim (and a fairly unbelieveable one no less) and gives nothing (of value to the racer or hobbyist) away...remember this is a discussion forum, so if you're not going to discuss it...you see what I mean...I'll leave it for now and see where it goes...
...by the way I'm also considering the value of this topic, since it is just a claim (and a fairly unbelieveable one no less) and gives nothing (of value to the racer or hobbyist) away...remember this is a discussion forum, so if you're not going to discuss it...you see what I mean...I'll leave it for now and see where it goes...
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yes, i do find it a little strange. why would somebody claim something then refuse to explain it? imo it just looks like he is trying to start a controversy over nothing...
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
So you changed the induction timing and made it longer (since to make it shorter you need to make a new crank and I don't think you did that).
Your secret is out, we can now all cash in on it.
Your secret is out, we can now all cash in on it.
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
Ok so you've "increased crank-case pressurisation timing"?
What you've advanced the point at which pressurisation occurs or you've increased duration?
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Edit:I think it's twaddle but i'm still interested.
What you've advanced the point at which pressurisation occurs or you've increased duration?
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Edit:I think it's twaddle but i'm still interested.
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
No,,,, I didn't change the induction timing! I changed the crank-case pressure timing. This decreases the amount of fuel required by allowing a slight charge of unburned fuel to enter from the exhaust back-pressure! I don't need to say anything further until I do more experimenting and start looking at specific timing values. I do have big engine experience from years of NASCAR Modified racing and degree in Mechanical Engineering Technology. If you don't believe my results then OH WELL! I don't see this as non-beneficial to the racing community! I am sorry if some feel this post is not appropriate, however, I am excited about this! I have had many ideas stolen for profit over the years and just need a little time to think over how to protect myself!
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RE: Doubled my fuel economy!
Yes! It has to be done precise though and it causes rpm's to drop low enough that I may have to modify the carb slider.
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I am truly sorry about not posting pics showing exactly what I have done but I know there is validity to my idea and it is time for me to get a piece of the pie!
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I have had many ideas stolen for profit over the years and just need a little time to think over how to protect myself!
I have had many ideas stolen for profit over the years and just need a little time to think over how to protect myself!