Gotta go with the rear exhaust, inverted, and plug in wings. Trike retracts or tail dragger retracts? Still have a few of those nifty off set headers for the YS 60 rear we used to fly to accomodate the nose gear.

Trike gear, absolutely, or it just wouldn't be a Curare. Steve Byrum gets away with it, but it's SACRILEDGE I tell you!

So plug in wings huh? Won't be a problem, these wings are THICK. I mean THIIIIICK.

And a RE engine with pipe....something strong. I really don't know what though.

Dive brakes/flaps or no? Seems like unecessary weight to me. It's on the plans though.

And as luck would have it, I just happen to have all the wood in abundant supply, and a boat load of foam I was wondering what I would use it for.

I'm thinking dope/silkspan and paint. No wrinklekote, maybe some airbrushing to make it sparkle.

Gee talk about hijacking a thread

-Mike

ABSOLUTELY!

MVVS?

Either the .77 or .91 piped would make it a ballistic missile. And you can arrange the cylinder to make 'em RE. Both are in a .60 sized crankcase too.

Just a thought.

I wanna see this. Oughta be fun....might want to use something heat resistant on the front end to counter the heating from high speed air friction.

Rick

I used high temp paint on the nose of my Tipo. Hopefully the heat will not transfer from the pant to the fiberglass and melt it. I think the MonoKote on the leading edges of the wing and stab should withstand the heating and should keep it shrunk tightly.

I've been reading this thread too, with interest.

I'm curious: How would today's pattern planes fair against Kaos era planes using the rules & regulations of the Kaos era planes?

Interesting question. I'd say against a Kaos, new ones would have the advantage.

A modern 2 meter vs a Curare though, hmm......well, it would be interesting, but I bet the Curare would win. Assuming equal pilot skill and wind conditions etc.

Apples and oranges. Really, it's similar, yet different in execution. Speed, momentum and smoothness won in the old patterns.

Still, it would a neat to see, I really have no idea, I'm just guessing.

-Mike

I'm a new, old guy on the block, yet I could not resist replying to this. I have flow a Super Curare against the earlier "Turnaround"
designs in the early 90's, and found them to be extremely consistant in the Master's class. My 100 mph Curare against a slower, larger design, held its own in the old pattern, yet I was not able to compete in the turnaround class. I simply could not keep the
Curare in the Box.

In the old Masters Class pattern, I out scored all trunaround designs of the day, yet I know my Curare can not keep up in todays
pattern classes.

Sounds like the box is the problem not the Curare!

You maybe correct. I, as well as other old time pattern fliers left the contest circuit because we could not stay in the box. I guess we were just set in our ways, and did not accept the change. I still miss the old contests and the classes flown. Not many old timers events listed.

The box is there for darned good reason. Some fields don't have noise issues, but I'd venture to say at least half, if not more, do have serious noise issues. Urban sprawl is the real problem.

I'm currently fortunate to fly at a couple of fields that do not have these issues, but only a couple of years ago we almost lost a field due to noise, and eventually they cut a road right across the runway, to make a road for yet another cluster f* of soccer mom palaces.

When we sent our club reps to the city council meeting, one of them was LITERALY SPIT ON in the elevator by some woman who hated the noise. Oddly enough, her neighbor who cut their grass 4 times a week and spent the rest of the day with a weedeater didn't bother her. But a model airplane turned her into a vicious raving lunatic.

You won't see the problem until you have one yourself. You're safe at Atlanta R/C, I wouldn't go there again without an AK 47 myself. And I was raised in College Park/East Point....

-M

I now remember the issues of the short pipes and loud engines turning 23k rpms. You are correct, the noise was the factor. I was just living the past, and remembering what it was like when I first learned to fly, 40 yrs ago. Watching the spectators awh at these airplanes jet accross the sky with ease.

And it was cool! I did and still do love it, in an odd sort of way.

But sometimes "cool" has to give way to reason and practicality. It's simply different nowadays, not better or worse. Just different and more far sighted.

That being said, I'm still going to build a screaming Curare this summer [8D]

-Mike

No problem the SPA http://www.seniorpattern.com/ will totally solve that. SPA membership is growing like crazy. I can see the SPA world event on the horizon soon!

Yes, this has been suggested to me, yet after checking the calendar of events I do not find the number of events that I attended during my years past as a master's flier. I, along with about 25 other flies, attended many contest in our area. Ga. S.C. N.C.
Just not alot of choices on the calendar. Maybe this will change.

Come on now! No one has been robbed at gun point in almost a decade and it was kind of his fault anyhow, he came to the field without his AK. I modified my flight box to hold the piece but I prefer the shoulder sling.

Mike,

I definitely agree with you about the box being about noise containment. When AMA first went to turnaround pattern it wasn't due to noise here.. it was noise in Europe. They were having a terrible time w/noise throughout Europe and since FAI went low noise, so did AMA...what choice was there? Turnaround started a huge decline in pattern contestants....I've been flying since the 60's but the real hayday of pattern was in the late 70's/early 80's. There was hardly a weekend that went by without a contest within driving range of central NC. Either in SC/GA/VA/MD/or NC, there was always a contest going on. I can still remember the 1984 Contest in Burlington, NC with 24 contestants in SPORTSMAN... and almost as many in the rest of the classes. It was all the CD could do to get 3 rounds each day. The contests were well attended, competitive, and noisy... and pilots loved it that way. Sure, it can be called "ballistic" pattern but it was so much fun it was a heck of a rush just to fly... and to watch and hear !!!! I had a Phoenix 8 with a YS 60FR that was turning well over 15K on the ground... talk about one screaming plane.... anyway..

I hope that we can bring back the ballistic planes, at least for a couple of contests a year. I'm going to see about having one at my home field in Hurdle Mills. No AMA rules on noise, No SPA rules on pipes/retracts....just basically what goes over the best in the South.. Fly what you want, let the judges sort it out. We would fly the old AMA pattern from 1982. Just a straw vote poll.... would any of you guys be interested in a contest like that?

Time to get back in the shop....


Dan

Yep. I'd make the drive up from Ga. If you're thinking this year, then I wish I had've kept my old UFO. I doubt I can get a Curare built before late summer.

Actually a couple of years ago we discussed this, and teased with the idea of a BPA, Ballistic Pattern Association for exactly that. Guys with Curares, Tipos, etc could come out and play with thier rockets. But then it just went back to SPA and AMA, and never actually happened. But had we pushed it at that time, it would have.

If you do it, I'm sure people will come, if they have enough notice. I'd come up. Heck I'd do one here too.

Of course, I have a little "issue" in NC that prevents me from going there before Feb of 2006 anyway

-Mike

I would come up. We always attended the NC Pattern event in Advance N.C. every year. I do not expect the pattern to get back where it was, yet I would like to see more SAP events that myself and alot of others could attend. Yes I still have the Super Curare, powered by a Rossi on a short pipe under the wing, yet I would bring out the Compensator, replace the RE OS, with a side exhaust Super Tiger , and leave the wheels down, in order to compete in SAP events. Who knows, may even bring out my SR Falcon.

I campaigned the ARROW myself. It was the first really serious attempt to put the pipe completely away from the breeze. Best darned knife edgin dude ever was I think. The slowest slow rolls, truly horizon to horizon. I had four of em overthe years, 2 MK's all wood and 2 Hobby Barns glass and foam. The all wood MK, with an OS or ST rear exhaust would come in a package deal from INDY RC for about 100. The glass and fom could be had from HB for less than a 100 as I recall. But I reminisce and those days (everything for cheap) are gone forever

I know I wouldn't have to do much convincing to get one more guy out of the woodwork

Matt

I would like to make a tail dragger out of my old sheeted Kaos 60. Any suggestions on how to do it would be appreciated. (I distroyed my newer Chaos 60).

Big,


Why? What am I not getting? Tricycle gear is easier to take off,land, and taxi....must be missing something.......


Deadstik.............[8D] (lovin' every minute of tricycle retracts!)

Hi All;
"Why" isn't the information I'm asking for.
Anyone have a tail dragger Kaos?

Big,

Not sure if your question is real or just a troll and I expect you are not getting a response because what you are asking is like asking a 2M flyer how to put a nose gear on a 2M tail dragger aircraft. You would need to hack the wing sheeting off the gear area of the wing, add plywood wing rib doublers, gear blocks, re-sheet the wing and cover. You would need to do all this without damaging the integrity and strength of the wing. The other possibility would be to add swept back gear on the bottom of the fuselage in front of the wing or find a new wing kit. But rather than hacking into a valuable Kaos why not donate it to someone that really appreciates a classic pattern aircraft or the SPA ( http://www.seniorpattern.com/ ) and then buy yourself one of the zillion look-a-like tail draggers available in kit or ARF form.

Hey Big,

Just cover over the wing slots, install a 1/4 ply plate on fuse bottom just in front of wing leading edge and install aluminum gear from Hanger 9 Aresti. I flew a Killer Kaos with this set-up and used an OS 91 4 stroke with 13 inch prop--not a lot of clearance, but enough. Use nylon tail gear fixture with tiller bar to bottom of the rudder.

Ground handling/take-off no problem.