casniffer

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Hi all.
I'd like to compile a list of all classic pattern planes. I have combined my list of planes with the list of SPA legal planes from the [link=http://www.seniorpattern.com]www.seniorpattern.com[/link] website and have 324 names! This list will complement the image-base and eventually link with the pictures there (if it exists). I would appreciate everyone's help in making this list as complete as possible. I'd also like your input in determining the cut-off year for planes that qualify as classic. If you know of a plane that needs to be on the list, submissions can be made directly to this thread or using the guestbook link on the list page. Let me know if I need to make any corrections.
[link=http://www.trentonrcflyers.com/pattern/classicpatternlist.htm]Classic Pattern Plane List[/link]
Thanks in advance.
CASniffer

WEDJ

Great idea!
Peppermint Pattie is SPA legal, all versions.

casniffer

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Thanks WEDJ. I don't know how I missed that one. I started adding pictures on the right hand side so the page doesn't look so plain. I want it to look plane. ;-)

CAsniffer

Tex Gehman

How about the Dave Platt [Pica] Duellist?

F.Imbriaco

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# 220- The Pursuit - this is/isn't the mid 90s design by Sam Turner , right ? I thought it was only Ballistic Legal.

casniffer

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F.Imbraico.
I got list of SPA legal planes from the [link=http://www.seniorpattern.com/planes.asp]seniorpattern.com[/link] website. There could be more than one version of a plane with the name Pursuit. Its difficult to be sure without pictures.

Thanks
CAsniffer

okelly

You missed Mr. Matt's later pre 1996 models:
Opal II: 1996 - 2000
Opal: 1994 - 1996
Rubin: 1992 - 1994
Saphir II-4T: 1991 - 1992
Saphir : 1989 - 1991

see http://matt-rc.li/englisch/modelle/modelle.html

casniffer

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okelly,
Thanks for the link to Wolfgang and Roland Matt's website! I added all the planes up until 1996. I'm going to check out some of the links he has in the private section.

CASniffer

T Brooks

Hello Casniffer

Does the MK Beetle deserve to be on the list. Not SPA legal.

Cheers
Tarquin

NM2K

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Never was, isn't now and never will be a pattern ship.

Pattern ship does not mean, "wing on the bottom". It is a specific type of aircraft that was designed for pattern competition and designed by a pattern pilot/designer - not a scale designer. I.E., Maxey Hester, Dave Platt, etc.

If we keep broadening the rules to accept even this type of aircraft, we might as well drop the word "Pattern" from the Senior Pattern Association title.


Ed Cregger

dhal22

what plane is the Pica Duelist converted from? i thought it was a Kaos or something converted to a twin.

david

pimmnz

Heck no, Dave Platt original design for two .40's and first kitted as a Platt kit before being bought out by Pica.
Evan, WB#12.

casniffer

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T Brooks,
The MK Beetle does deserve to be on the list. It doesn't have to be SPA legal...just classic pattern.

Thanks

RFJ

Dave Platt has designed several pattern models. My first proper pattern model was his excellent Kingpin.

Here are the Duellist and Kingpin.

Ray

NM2K

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Jack Sheeks, Hal DeBolt, and a boringly long list of other designers designed sport models with the "wing on the bottom". Not one of them is what anyone that has ever seriously competed in pattern would consider a true pattern model. More like "Best of Show" or "Best Finish" type models at public displays where someone's wing on the bottom alleged "pattern model" wins awards for finishes and innovations. Kind of like the display cars at auto shows, where none of them are ever expected to actually be driven. I am not saying that they weren't works of art. Nor am I saying that they were not representative of a lot of designer skill - but they just weren't patternships.

Patternships represent the state-of-the-art of a given time period. They are not defined by the sales hype that someone's marketing department has spun to get sport pilots all excited over the prospect of flying a prestigious patternship. This isn't that hard to decypher folks. Lots of the sport kits that were marketed as being patternships compared more to a .22 than 306 military rifle. Two completely different worlds. But, that's just my opinion.


Ed Cregger

RFJ

I understand and agree with what you say Ed. A good pattern design would usually be designed by someone who competes sucessfully in competitions and develops his models over a period of time.

In defence of Dave Platt, not of course a specialist pattern designer, his Kingpin was pretty much state of the art in 1966 as it was basically a Taurus/Nimbus clone with a much simplified structure. It was flown in competition ( British Nationals) and speaking as someone who has "seriously competed in pattern" I considered it as good as anything available at that time. That was why I built it.

Ray

dhal22

i swear in the last 6 mos i have seen it somewhere that the duelist was single engine pattern design converted to a twin. but i am obviously wrong.

david

RFJ

David,

I suppose it could be said that the Duellist was developed from the Pica Touche ( single engine, low wing) which was also a Dave Platt design.

Ray

NM2K

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Even some of us junior geezers can be trumped in the memory game. It is good that folks like you do not take offense, but instead come back with useful information.

I was not aware of Dave Platt's Kingpin until this thread. And, looking at the photos, it does appear to be competitive for the era. I stand corrected. Thank you.

Ed Cregger

Free Bird

CA,

Could I make a suggestion for your list (which is awesome BTW), to make it more meaningful, could you add the designer of the model and the year it hit the scene? I'm sure the guys here could fill in the blanks. Thanks for the consideration.

FB

dhal22

great idea!!!!!

david

casniffer

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Free Bird,
Funny you should mention that. I'm way ahead of you. (not that far actually) I have been working on the list this weekend and have the following format illustrated in the attached image file.
Now there won't be any surprise. Thanks for letting the proverbial cat out of the bag. :-)

CAsniffer

WEDJ

Damn! Someone's really on the ball.......

casniffer

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WEDJ
Its all for you guys. Now cough up some plane specs for me!!!! :-)
Its relaxing putting all this stuff together and seeing where visitors are coming from. I got a visit from the United Arab Emirates today to the web site.

CAsniffer

flywilly

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Hey CASniffer,
I just gave your LONGGGGG list a cursory glance and have a few more additions:
Mistress
Usa Star Both by Dave Von Linsowe
MK Fuji
Dash-5 (40,60)
Flash, Flash S, Flash RS
Citation (not SPA legal) Dash, Flash and Citation designed by Tsugutaka Yoshioka
Conquest 4,5,6,7 Dave Patrick (actually I believe the Conquest 5 was a variation modified by Jim Graham)
Sidepocket by John Miller and published in RCM

What is the cut-off date for 'classic' pattern designs? 1996??

Regards,
Will BArtlett