AMA Useless!
12-17-2015, 02:30 PM
#176
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Keeping peace with land owners, stubborn neighbors and keeping a flying site in the past have been more of hassle than the problem members, but I guess each club is different. Add to it now FAA involvement which at the moment is somewhat benign, but everyone knows it will get worse and more costly. Government intrusion in gathering personal information as well as lists of personal property. (number and description of aircraft and equipment) scares the crap out of people. You'll say that they are not asking what equipment, but it is only a matter of time. Say what you will, but in 10 years, look back on how the series of new FAA rules have severely hurt the hobby.
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12-17-2015, 02:56 PM
#177
Keeping peace with land owners, stubborn neighbors and keeping a flying site in the past have been more of hassle than the problem members, but I guess each club is different. Add to it now FAA involvement which at the moment is somewhat benign, but everyone knows it will get worse and more costly. Government intrusion in gathering personal information as well as lists of personal property. (number and description of aircraft and equipment) scares the crap out of people. You'll say that they are not asking what equipment, but it is only a matter of time. Say what you will, but in 10 years, look back on how the series of new FAA rules have severely hurt the hobby.
If you look for an excuse to not do something you will always find them. The whole thing will blow over and be a non-issue in a matter of time. Other hobbies have been regulated by the Feds for years and you don't hear too many people quitting the hobby because of it. Heck the hams were the ones complaining with the FCC lifted the morse code requirement back in the day.
12-17-2015, 03:02 PM
#179
Email from the AMA saying to hold off on registration until February 19th as they have a plan to be able to get us out of registration.
"As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.
Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members."
I don't know about you but given their success so far, I'll register in the first 30 days and get my $5 back for sure, rather than take the risk and lose my $5.
"As we proceed with this process, we suggest AMA members hold off on registering their model aircraft with the FAA until advised by the AMA or until February 19, the FAA's legal deadline for registering existing model aircraft.
Holding off on registration will allow AMA time to fully consider all possible options. On a parallel track, it also allows AMA to complete ongoing conversations with the FAA about how best to streamline the registration process for our members."
I don't know about you but given their success so far, I'll register in the first 30 days and get my $5 back for sure, rather than take the risk and lose my $5.
12-17-2015, 03:07 PM
#180
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http://amablog.modelaircraft.org/ama...odel-aircraft/
12-17-2015, 04:23 PM
#182
Years ago, when I was a junior officer in a squadron, a Navy Flag taught me a critical lesson: "There are no problems that cannot be made worse."
Think about that and ask yourself what happens if the FAA decides to respond by formally denying the AMA's written request to be named a Community Based Organization? From the FAA's perspective, there would be some poetic justice in such a move, as PL112-95 section 336 would be immediately turned into a set of golden handcuffs on the AMA.
Think about that and ask yourself what happens if the FAA decides to respond by formally denying the AMA's written request to be named a Community Based Organization? From the FAA's perspective, there would be some poetic justice in such a move, as PL112-95 section 336 would be immediately turned into a set of golden handcuffs on the AMA.
12-17-2015, 07:35 PM
#183
Years ago, when I was a junior officer in a squadron, a Navy Flag taught me a critical lesson: "There are no problems that cannot be made worse."
Think about that and ask yourself what happens if the FAA decides to respond by formally denying the AMA's written request to be named a Community Based Organization? From the FAA's perspective, there would be some poetic justice in such a move, as PL112-95 section 336 would be immediately turned into a set of golden handcuffs on the AMA.
Think about that and ask yourself what happens if the FAA decides to respond by formally denying the AMA's written request to be named a Community Based Organization? From the FAA's perspective, there would be some poetic justice in such a move, as PL112-95 section 336 would be immediately turned into a set of golden handcuffs on the AMA.
12-17-2015, 08:22 PM
#185
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I am amazed at the level of vitriol being leveled at the AMA over the FAA's decision. If you take the time to read the entire rule and the preamble discussing the comments (yes, all 200+ pages), I think you'll find that the AMA actually did a very good job representing our interests. Numerous times throughout are discussions of comments made by the AMA and its membership through the rule making process. The arguments presented by the AMA and its members were generally well presented, factual, and based in law. The FAA chose to ignore them. No justification, no explanation.
The insurance marketing email had nothing to do with the AMA, other than the AMA is making money by selling its membership contact information to that company. This is a very common practice among non-profit organizations, and those dollars will also help fund the fight. I don't care if I get more junk mail from the AMA, as long as I know its getting us the resources we need to do battle with the Washington, DC bureaucrats.
For those that say the AMA chose poorly by embracing the multirotor aspect of the hobby, has occurred that if they hadn't, they wouldn't even have had a seat at the table! The FAA is lumping ALL RC aircraft into the SUAS category. the FAA doesn't care how many props, how big the craft, how its used, or anything else. The AMA couldn't change that. The only way to change it at this point will be with big money and the courts. The AMA is the only game in town where we can continue to pool our resources and fight for the right outcome. Unless you have your own personal legal practice and want to take it on pro bono for the rest of us.
Brad
The insurance marketing email had nothing to do with the AMA, other than the AMA is making money by selling its membership contact information to that company. This is a very common practice among non-profit organizations, and those dollars will also help fund the fight. I don't care if I get more junk mail from the AMA, as long as I know its getting us the resources we need to do battle with the Washington, DC bureaucrats.
For those that say the AMA chose poorly by embracing the multirotor aspect of the hobby, has occurred that if they hadn't, they wouldn't even have had a seat at the table! The FAA is lumping ALL RC aircraft into the SUAS category. the FAA doesn't care how many props, how big the craft, how its used, or anything else. The AMA couldn't change that. The only way to change it at this point will be with big money and the courts. The AMA is the only game in town where we can continue to pool our resources and fight for the right outcome. Unless you have your own personal legal practice and want to take it on pro bono for the rest of us.
Brad
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12-17-2015, 08:49 PM
#186
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Again if the AMA had not embraced the drones, I do not believe that we would be going though this! They could be saying then an now it ain't us doing this, go after the ones that are and leave us be. We did not have all this BS until the drones showed the ugly heads, it's not us doing this! We are not flying out of sight or spying , we just enjoy getting together and making a day out of what we built. AMA should have stayed with what has worked all these years for them, you drone guys could have started your own little drone clubs, boring as they would be, flew one once and thought if my plane where so easy to fly, I wouldn't waste my time, no effort and totally boring!
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12-18-2015, 03:49 AM
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Again if the AMA had not embraced the drones, I do not believe that we would be going though this! They could be saying then an now it ain't us doing this, go after the ones that are and leave us be. We did not have all this BS until the drones showed the ugly heads, it's not us doing this! We are not flying out of sight or spying , we just enjoy getting together and making a day out of what we built. AMA should have stayed with what has worked all these years for them, you drone guys could have started your own little drone clubs, boring as they would be, flew one once and thought if my plane where so easy to fly, I wouldn't waste my time, no effort and totally boring!
On a positive note I did like the recent email from them telling everyone to hold off along with Tony Stillman's comments on it's not the clubs or officers problem with members following registration it's the individuals responsibility.
Mike
12-18-2015, 04:15 AM
#188
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Yes Mike that is a positive, it's just shame we have to go through this, I for one have stopped buying anything RC related for now, as my magazine subscriptions run out, I don't plan on 're subscribing to them, to much drone crap in them for me, they have not been for the builder for so long anyway. Just waiting to see if this will still be our hobby, or if it now belongs to our government!
12-18-2015, 04:58 AM
#189
Not anymore it's all about the "drones " and the new technology according to the AMA and a number of people here feel were old and outdated for wanting separation. They saw "possible" new members and went all in after them and we the guys who have supported the AMA since it's conception lost. I think establishing who we are and what we do should have been the priority when this all started. Once we had that the "drone" guys would have come to us.
On a positive note I did like the recent email from them telling everyone to hold off along with Tony Stillman's comments on it's not the clubs or officers problem with members following registration it's the individuals responsibility.
Mike
On a positive note I did like the recent email from them telling everyone to hold off along with Tony Stillman's comments on it's not the clubs or officers problem with members following registration it's the individuals responsibility.
Mike
Certainly, the responsibility for completing the registration process rests with the individual. However, a club harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations (e.g., non-registration operation) could pose a liability for any club.
12-18-2015, 05:08 AM
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Tony Stillman isn't on the EC and I don't see where he's the designated spokesperson for the AMA.
Certainly, the responsibility for completing the registration process rests with the individual. However, a club harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations (e.g., non-registration operation) could pose a liability for any club.
Certainly, the responsibility for completing the registration process rests with the individual. However, a club harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations (e.g., non-registration operation) could pose a liability for any club.
Your "interpretation" seems to be a bit different from others including the CBO we belong to. Feel free to hassle your fellow modelers at your field to your hearts content.
"harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations" are you serious?
Thanks for your valuable input and a good laugh to start my day.
Mike
12-18-2015, 05:32 AM
#191
As you see it and being the final authority on all things in model aviation your word is law.
Your "interpretation" seems to be a bit different from others including the CBO we belong to. Feel free to hassle your fellow modelers at your field to your hearts content.
"harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations" are you serious?
Thanks for your valuable input and a good laugh to start my day.
Mike
Your "interpretation" seems to be a bit different from others including the CBO we belong to. Feel free to hassle your fellow modelers at your field to your hearts content.
"harboring members engaging in illegal model aircraft operations" are you serious?
Thanks for your valuable input and a good laugh to start my day.
Mike
12-18-2015, 05:45 AM
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12-18-2015, 05:55 AM
#194
Anyway, common sense dictates the AMA's insurance provider isn't going to pay claims for illegal operations. They'll make it requirement thereby making the AMA incorporate it into the AMA Safety Code. If the registration requirement holds up in court it's only a matter of time before it goes in the Safety Code. Time will tell.
12-18-2015, 08:26 AM
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AGAIN!!!!! Here's more fuel for the FAA fire......Duuuuuhhhhh! Stupid is what stupid does.....
Denny
http://www.windstream.net/news/read/...gton_monume-ap
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12-18-2015, 08:43 AM
#197
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Again if the AMA had not embraced the drones, I do not believe that we would be going though this! They could be saying then an now it ain't us doing this, go after the ones that are and leave us be. We did not have all this BS until the drones showed the ugly heads, it's not us doing this! We are not flying out of sight or spying , we just enjoy getting together and making a day out of what we built. AMA should have stayed with what has worked all these years for them, you drone guys could have started your own little drone clubs, boring as they would be, flew one once and thought if my plane where so easy to fly, I wouldn't waste my time, no effort and totally boring!
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12-18-2015, 09:16 AM
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They had a choice. Embrace and court them or make protect what we had. They choose poorly.
Mike
12-18-2015, 09:45 AM
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All the resellers choose to do the same. Go figure. Someone got rich selling them. I guess the resellers choose poorly too.