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I've just got to do some more reading and I've read the U Control post. I had to tear my shop.appart because of rodents and spiders. Had a professional.do the job but it instilled tearing everything away from the walls. After 56 years of modeling UC and RC I have quite a large stash. I found a Super Ringmaster. Can't remember when I bought it but my favorite U C was a regular ringmaster. I also built and destroyed other models. One was the Fly in Fool. I also found one of those originals. About maybe 6 years ago I watched a model of the larger zflying Fool 40 OS aPat Treedle design. Beautiful aircraft biplane well I ordered one of those. Has anyone built the Super Ringmaster. The fuselage is built up but has the same wing and tail..maybe the tail is a little taller. Also it can be built as a tri gear or tail gear. And I also think aFox 35 Stunt. Any info about this plane? Any your experience.AJ

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Gosh sure am disappointed no body has replied. I was talking to another flyer and we were talking about getting a flying circle in the City. But another question came up.about counter weight on the out side wing. I recall something I learned at McCord AFB in Washington about the use of counter weights for balance and weight that was essential on the outer wing. I did a post to Shuge on You Tube don't know if he got it. Also kinda excited but I just ordered a hard point handle from Brodak. $48.00 ,ouch. Stuff is sure getting expensive.AJ.

Hello!
The super ringmaster with a fox 35 was the last plane I flew in Georgia, Moody A.F.B. 1960 I gave it away because I had orders to transfer to Williams A.F.B. in Chandler Arizona. It flew well. I have recently considered building another but plans are not available. Maybe one day I will scratch one up. A profile Ringmaster hangs in my shop along with other controline birds I keep just for grins.

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Super Donnie Man great post. I will try this again my first post did not post for some reason. The AirForce always had great flying fields. I remember Kadena AFB there circle was at Yomitonson Strip above Torii Station the aero club was there also. I met a Marine Ermey yep the old gunny. He flew UC and always talked about the Marine Base I think Futema was where he was stationed. I flew at the aero club on my day off. Every Wednesday weather permitting. I would transfer by Mac so I could carry my UC Ringmaster. And my small metal tool box. With a quart of fuel, props, tools, battery. I use to solder two D cells to get 1.49 volts for my glow plug. I always had a plane to fly and every base I was at had a hobby shop. At Carswell in the 80s had a great shop in the BX. It's gone. And the circle is now a play ground and skate board park.AJ

I looked at your photo, looks like a Veco Chief hangingonthe wall. I am flying one built it about ten years ago great flying aircraft.AJ

Yeah I built it in a fit of nostalgia, that corner of my shop is the way back when area most of those birds are copies of what I built as a teenager. If I find a good deal on and old bird from my past I am inclined to buy and build it just for kicks, I have others and I need to stop because of space issues. scratch building is my thing once built I lose interest somewhat and often do not truly complete the bird. I have been puttering with this since the 70's and as you can see I have several models in process (old picture)
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I fall into that sane thing. Oh it's a sickness according to the war department. I have reinvented my UC stance. Really enjoying it, made up some lines this morning. 58 put a larger prop on my Chief just to slow her down. Any way keeps me going. 7 unfinished planes All R" C and 5 UC kits and about 20 plan sets. AJ.

HeyDonnie, great hereing from you had a hard landing on my Veco Chief. Decided to build a new bottom cowl. Cleaned my Fox 35 Stunt it really needed it. Replaced the needle valve assembly. Was not getting my 4-2-4 break that I usually get. Also ran alcohaul in my tank got a little crud out of it. Let it set over nite. Green crap decided to fill it with MEK and let it set a few days. I may have to replace the tank. I use after run oil. But never thought about my fuel tank. AJ

Hey Donnie I seen where you wanted to know my flying field. I am in North Texas about 48 miles south of Fort Worth. I thought you were east and south of me. But your near San Marcos. I was a member of the Confederate Airforce. At San Marcos. For about three years. A few of the guys flew U Control behind the CAF Hanger. Still not having a dedicated flying circle. Been using the school properties. But can only fly after school is out, Sat and Sun or holidays. Like spring break. And other holidays. Hope they don’t fume off, we have a RC Park but I don’t care to fly around the R C aircraft. Been trying to get a 200 ft circle. In the city parks. Need nice grass with out obstructions.AJ

Finally getting things organized, going to,have a sale, sure has turned cold. My allergies and arthritis. Has kicked in full swing. Still organizing. My shop. Dragging out that super Ringmaster. It was a kit, but not a Sterling kit. Had a receipt from a guy in Ohio. I bought it in 2006 when I was flying in Detroit out of Willow Run, great place I joined the Miland flyers, RC club. Was based there three years and got fired in June of 2008. Flight engineer on the DC-8, 63 and 71 series. Didn’t fly control line. But bought A J-3 from another member, and had a great time.lots of off time, on stand by for three days. Then off. Eight other flight engineers. A better schedule would have been on two weeks off two weeks. I was living in a truck camper. And my home was still in North Texas. Back to the Super Ringmaster. Never realized it but it’s laser cut. My BySlob was my first laser cut kit. They are nice. One Of the Miland flyers bought a Super Ringmaster and was going to RC the kit. Another member told me there was a flying circle at the old Luscome factory. And the guys flew every Saturday. Never seen anybody fly their. I ordered that Suoer Ringmaster kit. He kitted twenty of them and sold every one. I was hoping another U Controller had bought one of his kits and was building or flying it. It has nice Balsa and ply construction.AJ

Well I started the Ringmaster Super style sure is a nice kit. Started the right wing. Plan has the wing on the plan left and right. The first part starts the right wing first step is the wing tips and the three inch bellcrank. Using Sig Super bond and thirty Minute epoxy. This is my second laser cut kit and it’s nice to assemble. This kit came out of Pennsylvania. Not Ohio. So I must be the second owner out of a hobby shop in Dayton. I used the Www website ad they primarily make model railroad buildings. They look like nice wood kits and expensive O scale N scale and some other scales I never Hurd of. I like trains to,mostly O scale but I did an N scale around my Christmas tree. Small in my hanger home.AJ.

I guess my system is just to old tried to sent pictures but it has a glitch and just will not post. glued the leading edge to the main spar both sides. Will apply some Ammonia and glue to the leading edge tomorrow really cold in the morning so I nap until noon then do some leading edge glueing. And mixed a little yellow and Maroon paint to finish up my repair on my Veco Chief. And my Ringmaster profile 35 Fox Stunt with a 2.5 ounce fuel tank. Ordered a few parts from Brodak going to try the weight box kit they have, and install it on the Super Ringmaster. For mainly wing tip weight. Still researching the Datum and balance point. Need a tan nose heavy. Which I did not have on my Chief. I used BBs in the tail of my Ringmaster.AJ

Another post my right wing on my Super Ringmaster is done,and now off to the left wing. One wing sheet of ribs was nice hard Balsa,but the other three sheets was soft spongy Balsa. Not good
, I used them any way. But used ply on the w1 rib. It joins and is the weak point in the wing. Also did some reinforcing and will use a more solid Balsa cover in the center join section. That kinda disappointed me when I found the soft Balsa used on the wing ribs. Four sheets of ribs only one was nice hard Balsa. AJ

Well today was a good day just seen one of the most beautiful sun sets, back to regular central time got dark at six. Started the fuselage first step is the landing gear. And glueing two parts for the landing gear. The wing is about to get joined in the middle.assembled the Bell Crank lead outs, but That center wing looks weak, brain storming a solution to improve this, short of glassing the assembly. Or possibly using thin ply to join the center section it attaches to three ribs 1,2,and 3. That might be a good option. Also that mount for the Bell Crank, really just too small for the pressure it will indure. Reinforcement of that area. Never seen the original Sterling Super Ringmaster. Kinda wonder what that bell crank mount looked like on the original? AJ

How about a picture of the super ringmaster to help this thread along, show some PICS of what is on your build table. eye candy helps.

here you go .. Just got the pic from the Outerzone free plan site but the plans shown wont help much to scratch up a bird do you have tracings of your parts so I can scrounge a copy? I may not build it but one never knows.

Hey Donnie man. Ya I guess I could do a tracing of all the parts really the wing is no different than the Ringmaster 35. It's 42" inches long no flaps. And the fuselage is built up I can trace all the parts. For ya pretty straight forward kit. It also offers parts for an electric conversion. Question? how will you power it. Nitro or Electric? Never did a Sterling Super Ring.Master, so I never seen the Sterling Kit. But at McCord AFB a couple guys were flying and building the Suoer. My Flight Engineer mentor. Flew one and let me have a turn. The pull was greater than my Ringmaster 35, his Super was powered with a red head McCoy 35. This kit I am building is pretty lite. Kinda disappointed in the balsa. So I am doing a few improvements. And reinforcements. I ordered a few weight boxes from Brodak a 2.5 Oz Stunt Fuel tank. It has a Perfect 3 inch bell crank. Came with the kit and J bolts for the landing gear. I will trace the gear also. . 2 inch dubro wheels came with the kit.the standard ringmaster tail skid. I added a tail wheel and cut a hole and filled it with BBs to get it balanced. That was on my Standard Ringmaster. I don't know about the Super and how the balance will work out. Right now I am planning about 3 inches from my leading edge of the wing. Like a touch nose heavy in my U Controls. Any way that's the latestAJ

Oh I did not mention pictures. Eye candy! Well I've tried many times my I pad and phone take pictures but they will not transpose to this web site and others I an on. I have a 55 Ford F'100. And I am on a web site thst covers that model of truck. Can't post pictures their. Even gone to the web site that explains posting pictures. AJ

Oh boy my Brodak order arrived and it’s quality Univair style! I thought I ordered a Stunt Fuel Tank In 2.5 Oz but they don’t make a 2.5 Oz tank in classic Stunt unit. So they sent a 3.5 Oz classic Stunt tank. That will work going to fill that tank area on my Super Ringmaster BH 580 they call it an old time tank, not a Classic! AJ listen Donnie I will make a copy for you right now I have the wing done, and I pull the part trace it number it and put it away. I will have to go to Kinkoes in Fort Worth. And I will try to combine it with another commitment. And I will expect you to cover my cost. Because it will cost me, on a retirement income. I don’t have the money for this sort of thing. Hope you understandAJ.

Donnyman, is the attached Ringmaster A26 plan the same as a Super Ringmaster?

GeeI I hate to differ. But no that's not a super Ringmaster. A26 some kinda spinning off looks like maybe the wing, possibly they are calling it a Ringmaster. I see that. Not even the Imperial. AJ

Well I got my parts from Brodak, and glued up the wing weight box last nite. Turned out swell. I did the leading edge on the left wing and had to trip off about a 1/4 inch off the wing weight box. And glued it to rib number 10 had already assembled the leading edge on that right wing. That wing box all assembled with a small mod. Weighted in at .02 ounce. I have a postal scale and I plan to weigh the left and right wing to see the difference between the two assembly. Before I mate the wing panel. The bell crank assembly with the lead out wires I still need to weigh. Trying to get a rough Idea by weighting all the components. When I repaired my old Ringmaster 35 with the 42 inch wing. The engine is off. I think I will weight it now. Just to see the difference between the two planes. The McCoy 35 is wider than the Fox Stunt 35. And it's also probably heaver. I just realized I got some weighting to do. AJ

I do not know what happened, what I sent is not the ringmaster that I remember.

Checking back through my files I found a flood of data that is totally foreign to me. with drawings of the proper super ringmaster. I'll have to clean this mess up.

In a word NO!

AJ
I only need the fuselage tracings I have everything else ....... THANKS!

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let's try this.
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donnieman okay Still working on my wing but it looks like you have the plan. The ribs look good missing is the longated holes that arecon both ribs both side. Looks like my repop kit is a little different the way they constructed the leading edge and the trailing edge. They incorporated an assembly edge for the trailing edge so the wing would assemble flat. Great Idea. Made the wing assembly easy to assemble. That Lazer cutting sure is nice. I remember my exato 11 knife cutting parts out of Die smash. Two winters ago I was recouping from Nick Sergery replaced 4 disc's. Was wearing a knick brace. But I Bought a Brodak By Slob and built it. Did not fly it until the fall of 22. Flew great nice and slow. It was a Lazer kit and it was a joy to build. Been assembling my wing weight boxes. Got the first one installed on My Ringmaster about 6 years ago. Sure like it, after my latest repair I had to put another 1/4th Oz in the box. You have to drill the lead weights in the center and the screw and blind nut I place some fuel tubing on the screw and it stops the weights that are stacked from moving around. I was surprised what I found when I cleaned my shop up. AJ.

Hey Donnieman I did a really good look at your Super Ringmaster plan set, really the only item that is the same is the landing gear. The rest is a little different and this kit I am building just might be a tad wider. Hard to tell. But I will.trace the assembly I have. I really like the kit just not too crazy about the soft Balsa. But the only ribs I redid was rib 1.AJ

Well this morning was wing mateing day. 30minute epoxy. The instructions said to do that on a flat board. Well that did not work, used wood blocks and C Clamps looks pretty good 24 hour dry. Also my right wing weight box some how slipped and I had to cut it clean and reglue the weight box. It mated pretty well but a little sanding and cleaning the bellcrank mount area is In the adjenda. Along with doing a reinforcement. Routing the lead outs off the left wing. Is going to take some doing. The down line is in the leading edge. Infront of the forward spar. Will probably run a thin metal rod. And attach the lead out line , then pull it thru. The wing tip.formed and the plan calls to drill two holes for the lead out lines. Looks like about 3.5 inch separation and that's guessing. The wing tip is graduated to the trailing edge. PLAN on covering the S Ringmaster wings with heavy Sig Silk. With Nitrate pre dope. Might do the entire plane with Nitrate dope then Butirate. Finish. AJ.

Got a few things done did a lot of sanding in the center section and after about three hours epoxied in the Control mount now trying to figure on routing the down cable that center section is covered in Balsa so making all the six wing ribs will support the Balsa cover. Mounting the three inch bell crank. I wired the lead out a few day ago and made the cable route thru the wing tip assembly. The kit had plastic lead outs so I had K@S copper tubing and routed the plastic cable lead outs and inserted them in the brass tubing. Now it’s all drying and will mount the bell crank and maybe do a little more sanding.AJ

Went and looked at my work from yesterday mostly inspecting my progress. What I found I can’t believe, never seen this before, but the thirty minute epoxy has not cure, still tacky left my finger print on the surface. I mixed it right and it’s worked or hardened when I mated the wings. It’s been Rainey the last two days kinda humid, but cool and not warm. Strange. Why it’s not cured. It’s two years maybe three years ago, when I bought this two part thirty minute epoxy. I’ve used my smooth and easy it’s at least twenty years old. And it works sands easy made by hobby proxy. Used it to seal my engine mount and fuel tank area. I’ve got two packs of it one I haven’t opened. But I keep it in the fridge. Along with my dope and spray paint. I am always concerned about it freezing,but my temps in the Hanger where I live is always nice. Guess I will let it set and see what happens. AJ

Well that epoxy curried this morning it looks good. I recall on the Super Ringmaster Sterling style. The left wing lead out control area was a weak issue. My pop off looks no different. It’s also weak got my lead out down control routed thru that blind area, used a plastic control tube, worked swell. Weighted my Brodak weight box 0.04 Oz all assembled but no weights installed. It uses a blind nut, so you have to epoxy that in place. I have been sanding but my mornings are better arthritis so I started the fuselage tracings and front assembly. It’s where the engine mount rails are installed and the forward wing section. Standard Ringmaster assembly. It’s all wood no Balsa in this assembly. Be nice to have four hands for this job. But the norm is two, makes it a little dicey in the assembly. It’s drying 24 hour cure. I will only use Epoxy on the engine rails. Using Sig Tight Bond frame glue on the Fuselage pre assembly. I know should use epoxy. Foot ball Saturday. Like the College teams Texas A&M, Alabama my favorites. I guess my Epoxy is okay a slow cure is better than fast cure. AJ.

Well that epoxy curried this morning it looks good. I recall on the Super Ringmaster Sterling style. The left wing lead out control area was a weak issue. My pop off looks no different. It’s also weak got my lead out down control routed thru that blind area, used a plastic control tube, worked swell. Weighted my Brodak weight box 0.04 Oz all assembled but no weights installed. It uses a blind nut, so you have to epoxy that in place. I have been sanding but my mornings are better arthritis so I started the fuselage tracings and front assembly. It’s where the engine mount rails are installed and the forward wing section. Standard Ringmaster assembly. It’s all wood no Balsa in this assembly. Be nice to have four hands for this job. But the norm is two, makes it a little dicey in the assembly. It’s drying 24 hour cure. I will only use Epoxy on the engine rails. Using Sig Tight Bond frame glue on the Fuselage pre assembly. I know should use epoxy. Foot ball Saturday. Like the College teams Texas A&M, Alabama my favorites. I guess my Epoxy is okay a slow cure is better than fast cure. AJ.

Don’t know why I thought about this. But I worked at General Dynamics in Fort Worth from 86 to 89. Flew at Carswell and met GDs Chief Pilot. We were both flying the Top flight Magusin his was a Red Head McCoy and my plane had the Fox 35 Stunt. He flew right wing lead out I flew the standard left wing lead out. Great guy he was about 20 years my senior and we enjoyed talking about our planes. He is no longer with us. But I learned several building mods when he passed his wife gave me some of his UC things. One item was the Higley books and several of his tools he used to build his planes. Classic stuff. From a great guy, that I really respectedAJ..

Well this Am I did a little work on the lead out portion of my wing it’s mated and looking pretty good to my standards I did some reinforcements and routed the control cables thru the enter of the wing tip and not under and thru Copper tubing with the plastic antichafe plastic. After that I went to the fuselage traced several parts and joined the fuselage to the motor and fuel tank wing leading edge assembly. Used Epoxy and about fourty attach clamps. Slow cure thirty minute. Plan on a 24 hour cure. Got my first look at my tank area and my Brodak fuel tank will fit. On top of the engine rails. That can cause vibration in the metal Stunt tank. Got an Idea that I’ve thought about. And tried it on my Veco Chief. But that tank is enclosed. My Super Ringmaster the tank is under cover that held on with two dowel pins and two small magnets just in front of the cockpit. No indication of how the tank is secured in the plan. So that means open season and lots of Ideas. AJ

Well I am officially shut down. Early this morning I was cutting some ply on my table saw, and yes Imdid it cut the you know what out of my thumb. Did not hit the bone but it was close took 6 stitches man the num needle felt good. Bummer can’t even fly right thumb. Welcome to the dumb70s. Had that small saw for at least 55 years. Never cut my self, but this time it’s a duzy, I hate stitches. AJ

Well doing a little glueing and just soldiered my elevator rod the elevator end is threaded. Provided in this zmicro machine model. Finally found where guys on Stunt Hanger had bought and built this Super Ringmaster. No comment about soft Balsa. It’s been giving me fits especially on the fuselage parts and I’ve busted a few Balsa parts on the wing. Did not care for the way they wanted to cover the center section of the wing. So I extended to another wing rib and used a three piece cover with the tapered trailing edge a much smaller width. Should make it a lot stronger. They were butting up to the edge with no strip in placement. Not good. But I started comparing old plans and tried to narrow down the UC plane that was given to me. I think it’s a Viking, a few parts missing, but it sure resembled my Veco Chief. But it’s definitely a Sterling kit wood is hard as a rock and some is dis colored. Old kit, never built one or even seen one. Not sure but I think Sterling or maybe top flight had a kit called the Viking. The only plane I built in Top Flight was the Magishion. Can’t spell it but it’s retired and power is the Fox Stunt 35. AJ

Well good morning guys and gals! Doing a finish up on my wing it’s about ready to install in the fuselage. It’s looking good. Now comes the fun part? Mating that wing assembly. Got to slide it in from right to left. Installed a few reinforcements to insure the wing will be square. Finished the repair on my Veco Chief really Need to rebalance the wing tip to wing tip, then the nose to tail adjustment. Probably need more weight on the right wing. Put a little more off set on my rudder. And my engine is inverted with 2 degrees right off set. When I hang the plane the nose points just a little bit out side. It has solid wire turnbuckle lead outs, my Magishen has the Same, but lately I’ve been going to the .025 cable lead outs. Kinda grounded until my Thumb heals. It’s looking good no Infection and I just missed the bone. Still very sore. AJ.

Saturday morning fixing to be the start of this holiday stuff. My Super Ringmaster Wing is complete and I added some Balsa filler to get ready for the sanding and three coats of Nitrate Dope. Had to order a Classic fuel tank from Brodak will not get it until Late January. The 3.5 ounce tank is just to long. And so I ordered a 2.5 I dont fly the full AMA pattern, so that 2.5 ounce tank fits my abilities at 77. The top cowl comes off and is held on with magnets. So I can finish the plane. Also ordered a Fox engine templet. And a 5 Oz fuel syringe. Been needing one like to only load 2.5 ounces of fuel. My Top Flight Magishen has a Five ounce tank going to Change that to a smaller unit. For some reason I think it’s not feeding properly. Old plane built it fourty years ago. Old perfect tank. My Ringmaster S1 has a 2.5 Oz tank and it’s about right on the flight time. About three minute flights.AJ

Well the wing got mated on the fuselage today went really well, little sanding but the fit was good and tight. Ran into a small issue with the right engine rail. Need to can’t the Fox Stunt 35 about two degrees right the nose narrows down about a quarter inch to mate with the nose and belly fillet. So the engine rails cut into the sides causing a fouling issue with metal engine mount. Needing to install blind nuts to secure the Fox. Ordered a Fox drill mount to accomplish this. Also the elevator control rod fit great after cutting the center cover assembly. Going to apply heat shrink on the clip to insure it will not come lose. All in all it’s doing pretty well.AJ