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AGAIN ! GO TO THE LOCAL HOBBY STORE, SPEND A FEW BUCKS, MAKE A FRIEND,AND ASK FOR HELP... .............................


or just sell the F**cker to me for $30 and be done with it. You say it's defective anyway!

i already said that i was going to let the people at the lhs handle it in two different posts

Sorry.....Let us know what happens......................

so heres the update i took it to my LHS they say dailed in the servo links and..i still can't fly it...i never have enough time to get control of it. it hits something before i have a chance to really try anything. thats with a hand launch and tv tray launch. Subtle inputs don't have time to effect movement while more dramatic inputs just send it slamming into something i would need an indoor basketball court to even keep it in the air for more than 5 seconds. actually i doubt i've ever kept it in the air for 5 seconds 

The MSR does tend to overreact on stick input. Just take it slow. Hover and don't move. Keeping it in a hover is a mental exercise. Very minute stick movements will cause the heli to react. Don't use full stick movements. Read your manual on how to set the transmitter to the 'docile' mode. I believe you have to press down on one of the sticks (you should hear a beep).

OWR- Okay, something doesn't sound right here. The MSR shouldn't be so difficult to hover. I can lift mine off the ground using only throttle input & maintain a reasonably steady hover with no other stick inputs at all. Did the LHS adjust the transmitter trims or even test fly it for you? Maybe they'd let you demo one of theirs for comparison??

On the upper swash, there are 4 balls. 2 long, & 2 short. The longer ones are for advanced setting. Make sure your lower flybar links are on the shorter balls.

-Rep

It took me at least a week, 30-60 minutes a day to have some sort of control. Do try what the guy said about the mild setting on the transmitter. I assume (I know, I know) that you have the turnbuckles connected to the SHORT arm on the swashplate??

 Did you actually see the guy at the hobby shop fly it, or did he just check the settings. If you did not see him fly it, it may still be F**cked as you first thought.I think you need a local friend to help you in person. Look for a local club and ask if anyone will assist you. Worked for me, although I had already spent an honest 20-30 hours setting up/ replacing parts on my Blade 400. If it make you feel any better, I still can't fly it.....LOL Only spent less than an hour attempting, maybe only 45 minutes. BUT, I WILL KEEP TRYING BECAUSE I WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS. They say flying a heli  is like balancing a marble on a plate of glass. Maybe you should start with that...LOL Just kidding.

I'll still buy it when and if you give up. Maybe you're just not a heli guy? I can't play the piano, or do brain surgery. Hey, thats a thought, BRAIN SURGERY............ANY VOLUNTEERS???

One thing i should've mentioned, if its still that far out of trim, you should not be trying to fly it just yet. Throttle up just enough to lift off the ground a bit and see which way it wants to go without stick input, then imediately throttle back down. start making trim adjustments in the opposite direction. Keep doing this until it'll lift up without veering wildly. ( A SLIGHT veer to the left is normal )

+1
It's difficult at best to diagnose something like this without seeing first hand exactly what it's doing.

I'm about 2 hours west of you. If by any chance you get over this way, PM me. I'd be more than happy to take a look at it for ya. Otherwise, do a local club search here.
http://www.modelaircraft.org/membership/clubs.aspx


-Rep

yeah mine won't do anything remotely like hovering. and only reacts to full or half stick movements. and now i've done something else to it and it only goes straight foward.which is the only time it ever has. even from a hand launch with my 26.00 dollar link adjustment job it had a fairly strong directional preference. its just not worth it to me .... i've never came across anything in my life i felt this far away from being able to master before ...ever ..i think that the MSR doesn't actually fly and all the youtube video's i have seen are all hollywood CGI i don't know why anyone would do this to themselves rc heli's are the worst idea since stalins strategy for taking berlin. i have it set on mode 1..or whatever the training mode is...and the head is set up with the on the short balls

Sell it to me for cheap and be done with it.......Mine's less than a month old and the 5-in-1 just crapped out. Maybe they are CRAP! I might shoot mine!

When I bought my CP Pro 2, it wouldn't fly. I called Horizon Hobby and they told me to send in my unit in. They replaced it with a brand new one. Call support. They offer very good service, probably the best in this industry.

26 bucks??? ouch! Sooo...did they even fly the thing?

This^^ Just send it back to HH. They're usually pretty good about that.

Yeah.....DID THEY FLY IT! Well, HUH

they claimed to have test flown it.he said it flew well.....but i find that hard to believe personally maybe i will try and send it in to e flite. its not like i'll miss it in the state it is in curently

Go visit the guy that's 2 hours away. Bring a Joint, Beer, or Jack, make a real friend and learn some stuff. That's you best bet!

If your trying to fly in mode 1 your sticks will not react as described. Mode 1 is mostly used in other countries. I don't know if the tx can be changed to different modes but you need to be in mode 2 for all this advice to work.

Ohiowoodsrider250r,

I'm presently an mSR only guy, building my first 450 class heli. I don't have the transmitter that comes with the mSR, but may be able to help anyway.

In an open area, (I get by with just a couple feet in each direction) get to know the throttle. Put the mSR down, bump the throttle to 1/2 stick plus a bit to "launch" it to 2 feet, 1/2 meter or so then throttle back to about 1/2 throttle and adjust to keep it between the ceiling and the floor. Now set it down, before it gets to an obstacle! Just shutting the throttle down will usually do fine (and it's a good reflex to have when hitting a solid object. It's light enough to bounce off about anything w/o hurting itself if the motor is off.

Note its behavior, starting with spinning. If you touch the sticks (other than throttle) try the rudder only (at first) to counteract the spin. You will know which way to trim by which way you push the stick to stabilize.

If you take off "gently" (don't try it) it will dart to the left or fall over to the left (if on carpet). Just whack the throttle up to about 1/2 way, maybe more, and try to regulate the altitude.

Below a foot or so (2 feet is better) things can get unpredictable. So, like the "pop up" take off, make your first landings just a "power off" at 2 feet. Maybe power off at 1 foot or less if you start to feel confident.

Let us know how you get on.

Erbid

I definitely agree with what the post above me says! I had similar problems getting my 120SR to hover. Took me a solid two days (couple hours a day) to get used to it. The 120SR (and I'm assuming the mSR) is VERY succeptable to rotar wash and dirty air down low. If I launch my 120SR from my hand, up about 4 or 5 feet, it's a DREAM to hover and needs no stick input. Off a table or the ground takes more effort, a lot more for my 120SR. I find even after two weeks,I can't do a slow lift off, I have to shoot it up about three feet and it balances nicely. Try holding it in your hand and powering it up, then letting go when you feel it wanting to go up. Worked for me.

Yes, it darts left because of the tail rotor thrust.. It can be minimised by holding some right cyclic and powering up fairly quickly.. it needs to be airborne though so it can tilt slightly right to fully compensate for the tail rotor sideways thrust.. exactly the same in a real helicopter..

In this video below you can see the right hand helicopter skid (on the left as you see it in the video) lifts off first... All conventional helicopters will hover with one skid lower than the other....

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2XCdRf3bv4[/youtube]

I can offer some advice. Make sure the room is large enough. I was able to learn my MSR in about 4 battery charges and my only previous experience was only MCX and MCX2 which I got for Christmas... At first I was so frustrated, but now, yes simply goosing the throttle will get it hovering with little to no other control input. The first two batteries I put through it got it trimmed. I have never had to trim the rudder. And the right stick took only a few clicks forward and right. At first I was definetely afraid of it... Just relax and try it in a larger room.

Also make sure you have full or at least 75% throw, or it may not be enough to correct.

JustHover,

Good points, all of them!

OhioWoodsRider250r,

How are things going? Are you still with us? The mSR can be a load of fun if you can trim it. You'll pick up some basic control while trimming as well as you learn the smooth (slow and gentle when learning) stick movements needed for predictable control.

However I think you were way out of trim (or perhaps just having take-off issues, staying too close to the ground for too long). Trimming it is a good first step, and can be difficult to do if it's way out of trim.

Keep an eye on the anti-rotation pin at the rear of the swash. A crash under power can pop it out of its slot. To pop it back in, pop both links off the swash and then try to pop it in. Remember not to rotate the links half a turn, the flatter side of the ball socket should always be out.

Short hops, up and then down (down with no power, if it's out of control) before it gets to a solid object. Trim for one defect at a time.
I usually start with rudder (spinning). And try to ignore the other stuff unless it is affecting you more than spinning. A few clicks of trim in the same direction you move the stick to correct for the defect. If it's a moderate movement, 5 or 6 clicks of trim may be in order before you try again. If its a small defect, one or two clicks may take care of it. You may find a point where it needs a bit of correction, but even one click of trim is too much. If you get there, you're done! Don't worry too much, as when you fly it you will be adjusting the rudder all the time, and in the end the stick is just a hair off. Not a big deal in the end because you will not be releasing the sticks to let them self center much when you fly (it will lead to oscillations if you release a cyclic control to center quickly).

Then once the rudder is trimmed, or if one of the other channels is out of whack so much that when at two to six feet of altitude, in still air, with a stable throttle for a moment, it is darting wildly in a certain direction: pick a cyclic channel to trim. (or try doing both) Correct for darting off with a slow increasing stick movement in the opposite direction, relaxing slowly back toward (but not all the way to) center, then land quickly (Land without power as above if needed. It can prevent most damage.) Once landed, click the trim in the same direction as you had to move the stick to stabilize it. Use one or two clicks for a minor drift. Use 5 or 6 clicks for a faster drift.

If you run out of clicks of trim. you can twist the links a full turn. Each twist is about 4 trim clicks...

Tighten the left link one turn to get back 4 clicks of left cyclic trim (approx). Remember to "right trim" 4 clicks or so to get back to where you were, or center the trim and start fresh.

Unscrew or loosen the left link one turn to get back 4 clicks of right cyclic trim (approx). Remember to "left trim" 4 clicks or so to get back to where you were, or center the trim and start fresh.

Tighten the right link one turn to get back 4 clicks of forward (or down) cyclic trim (approx). Remember to "back (or up elevator) trim" 4 clicks or so to get back to where you were, or center the trim and start fresh.

Unscrew or loosen the right link one turn to get back 4 clicks of back or up cyclic trim (approx). Remember to "forward (or down elevator) trim" 4 clicks or so to get back to where you were, or center the trim and start fresh.

Also, if things are not going well with the mSR, taking a week off to regroup is a good idea. As is the idea to get with a fellow heli-guy or heli-gal for an hour of one-on-one.

Erbid

Been almost 2 months since his last post. Hopefully he got it figured out, but i suspect he gave up on it. Too bad, i'm still lovin my msr.

-rep