I installed the gyro using the manual that came with it. When I get her into the air, she spins counter clockwise and every input I put in to counter it doesnt even slow the spin.

WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?

Thanks...

**UPDATE**

well I have been trying to her in the air, and I returned everything back to the way it was without the G90. She still spins erratically to the left. That leaves me to conclude that the tail motor is fried. I am going to replace it tomorrow, and I will report back when I get her up again.

Thanks though.

I tried to pm you but your pm is disbaled. PM me your email address and I will reply to your pm about the HBKII

This is the EXACT same problem I am having! Except that I don't have a brushless tail, or an ESC.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...arch&plindex=1

I am hopefully going to go in to get a new tail motor today...

Flyinsolo11,

Two things to try:

1) make sure the gyro gain on your 3n1 or 4n1 is turned all the way counter-clockwise.

2) On the gyro, the side opppsite the wires, there are two switches, make sure that both switches are in the up position. If they are both in the up position, then set the bottom switch to "NOR", or down position.

Dave / Choppersrule

the manual says to turn the proportion pot counterclockwise on the 3 in 1, not the gain. Are you mistaken, or is this a trick you learned?

Also, why turn the bottom switch to the down position?

Thanks for the help!

Flyinsolo11,
I sold my Blade sometime ago and was going from memory. I've got a HBK2 and a LOGO 10 right now.

My train of thought is that your installing a G90 gyro, so why would you need the one in the 3n1. The proportional pot is what keeps the main rotor and tail motors insync so it won't spin around.

Dave / Choppersrule

Flyinsolo11-- When ya get er figured out with the G90, let us know what the differences are with it...Did it dramatically improve tail hold and such...Very curious...I've been also thinking about a small gyro for my CPP also... Thanks ! You'll get it figured out. That's half the fun right ?

Choppersrule mistaken ? This I have to see...! (highly unlikely...Lol..) -- But we are human.....

Have a good weekend,

Jeff

Flyinsolo11-- BTW, I have heard that on your 3 in 1 you turn the gain for the gyro down all the way...You don't need the stock gyro anymore as the G90 will be taking over...(Can't have two conflicting)

Jeff

Also: Some info for ya if you haven't discovered it yet http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_59...tm.htm#5974300



http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_55...tm.htm#5565912

BTW-- Don't feel bad, I'am going through the same frustrations/problems of the heli rotating around hooking up my GY401 gyro to my Trex...I can only deal with it a little bit each day...Lol...But I'll get it...

Thanks guys for the suggestions!

It happened to be a stupid coincidence. The tail motor happened to go out as I put the new G90 on, lol. That sucked, but now that I have got it all figured out, it is A LOT more fun. When doing basic maneuvers in the little lounge I was practicing in, it was difficult to keep it oriented correctly. Now it is a breeze and I will be practicing nose in here in a bit. I almost didn't want to set her down, I was so comfortable and having so much fun, lol. I would recommend getting it as the CPP is so squirrelly.

By the way, the manual says: "No adjustment of the gyro gain trimmer pot on the 3-in-1 control unit is necessary."

Flyinsolo11,

Glad you got things together and a happy flyer. Hmmm, I must have an old manual!(lol) Best to ya and happy flying.

Dave / Choppersrule

PS... Those tail motors can got out in a heartbeat, I've had them go bad in 1 or 2 flights.
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Flyinsolo11-- Good to know...Thanks...Soooo, You actually have a good thing going for ya. A brand new tail rotor, (Did ya break it in, or no patience ?!...Lol..) and a new G90. You dog ! Sounds promising. I've been thinking about it for the CPP, but didn't want to put to much money into it, but actually I think I might go for one of those units in the near future. I've actually been enjoying the CPP more as the longer I own it and the more I learn. Figure the price isn't to bad, and it might actually save you from a few less crashes, which equals less money spent on replacement parts ! Let us know of your progress with it later in time on another post or something. Interested to know...I'll be here...Lol..

Enjoy your weekend,

-- Jeff

Thanks J-Michael- I am having a blast!

With the G90, I am a little more brave, and I have been doing left and right side in hovering. Hopefully by the end of this weekend, I will have nose-in hovering down!

I agree- the G90 is going to save a lot in replacement parts- especially when you are learning. When you are learning and you find yourself going out of control, you are usually rotating on the yaw and pitch axis, making a recovery difficult. With G90, when you recover, do dont have to worry about the yaw axis, just get her level, you know?

Thanks

Flyinsolo11--

Wow...It makes that much of a diff, huh ? Geez, your going to distract me from working on my Trex for flight !...Lol.. Santa, are you reading this ? If there's a spare in your sack, drop one off for me...My CPP is all stock except for a couple weeks ago I took off the heavy flat bottom plastic blades, which stressed the motor anyway, and put on some carbon fiber mains and tail. I get a few more minutes of flight, but the response is more touchy, but I'll live with it...In return to being very touchy with the carbon I just added another weight by the paddles for a total of two now at the ends. Helped with stability a little...Then I got greedy and went from my second hole in on my servo arm to the third and that also made my stick responses less severe with my actions. One thing I think is a good "plus" is the carbon fiber tail rotor. There only around $10.00, and it weighs one gram less than the heavier stock plastic one. I feel this would be less stress on the already underpowered tail that the CPP seems to suffer from...Sooooo, the only thing I'am missing is the G90 ! It was funny, as just a few weeks ago I was in Cali and was asking the owner of the shop how much of a big diff the g90 would give the machine, as I was eyeing it in the display case. He didin't really give an answer that made me jump, so I just kind of shrugged it off as maybe later...But now I'am going to lean that way it seems...Thanks for your thoughts.


Take care,


-- Jeff

Maybe it is because I am a beginner, but I think the G90 is well worth its money. I would recommend it!

Wow, those blades are sexy! How much were the mains? How are they in weight compared to the symmetrical balsa ones that come stock?

I just installed the G90 on my CP+ , i took it up about 1ft for a hover check and WOW. The tail holds dead on, i cant believe how well it keeps the tail nailed down straight. I didnt get a chance to try forward flight (too windy out). Definately worth $85, feels like a new heli. My only concern is if it will wear out the tail motor even faster because of the constant speed changes made by the gyro.
I also didnt follow the directions in the manual, i turned down the 3in1 gain pot all the way and didnt touch the proportional mix pot at all. Fired it up and it hovered solid the first try, just had to turn the trim to the left about half way on the tx. Maybe the manual is just flat wrong like stated above.

Flyinsolo11--

The main symmetrical carbon fiber blades run ya around $30.00...In reference to comparison with the stock woodies for weight, not sure as I have no set on hand currently...I shattered my woody set when I first purchased my CPP back in early May, and picking up a TX for the first time on an RC-Heli...I can tell you the plastic ones do give ya waaaay better stability (added weight), but is recommended to change pinion sizes to reduce stress on the stock CPP motor using these. (Flat bottom ones).

Here is a website that talks about the plastics more in depth http://www.heli-max.net/mediawiki/in..._Plasti-Blades

They do make it very stable...

My very first flight outside back in early October...Well, more like hovering...Lol..This was the first time I took it from my 20' by 20' shop area to getting a taste of freedom. The vid is using the JCS plastic blades. I have 2 sets, white, and black. I have yet to try the carbons outside, still geting used to them as I just put them on. Do keep in mind that the woodies are nice as when you wreck, the blades usually will shatter from the force of a crash, and ya usually get away with only the blades being damaged. The Carbon, and the plastic, because of there strength, usually won't but the force then transfers to the next weaker place on the heli which is usually your main shaft and spindle. When I get a nasty spill, I usually don't even check to see if there bent, I just replace the two components anyway as I've found you still get small bends from these crashes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flVJNyQmXL0

J-Michael- thank you so much for all of the info you have provided. I really appreciate it, as it expands my knowledge even faster.

I was planning on going outside for the first time today, but the winds aloft around Anchorage are predicted to be 20 knots or greater- glad I am not up in my little Cessna today- it would be a fun ride.

I think it is for the better though, I am going to stick inside and gradually get myself to do nose-in.

I am going to run to the LHS and get a pair of those Plasti-blades- thank you for the info on them.

GETRDUN- At first I didnt mess with the Proportional pot, but when I got her into the air, she spun nose right, indicating that the pot was too high. So I have backed her off to fully counter clockwise on the pot and she is now centered. I guess this goes to show every heli is different...

GITRDUN--

Thanks for the feedback on the G90...Sounds promising ! We all know we need as much assistance as possible to keep this crazy thing tame...Lol..


Flyinsolo11--

If your local LHS doesn't stock the plastic blades, I do know that Tower-Hobbies carries them on hand http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...P?FVSEARCH=jcs

Happy flying...!


-- Jeff

Thanks J-Michael- you too!

The G90 makes learning to hover much easier. Unless you never crash, forget the plastic blades - they will cut your tail boom every time. If you tape the tips and leading edge of the balsas, they will with stand many crashes and not cut your boom.

I agree with Wsdepa, plastic blades are detrimetal to the heli world. They are stronger than other parts, as mentioned tail booms, also the main rotor parts and grips go in a heartbeat. Not to mention bent main shaft. You can take a set of woodies, take off the white mono-coat plastic film stuff, and give it a couple coats of tru-oil. Wait between coats. It makes the woodies much stronger. You could give them a shot of white spray paint, or any other color you like, later. MAKE SURE, you balance the blades after words. This is a tip from Crashcrash on the Weeeeeeeee CP thread. One of my worst crashes, busted parts were cause from plastic blades.

Dave / Choppersrule
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