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Old 01-09-2010, 04:21 PM
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After some months of searching I have determined the Helios is my best option for my first real attempt at a pattern flying effort. using the 8s (2x4s) setup will allow me to use the packs singley in a 3dhs 57" extra. thinking tp 4s 3850 30c or 4s 4400 pro-lites (about same weight) will be about right. My question is is any one actively flying the Helios or a similar weight patternplane (7.2-7.6 lbs)? what are you using for motor/ prop/battery capacity and what are you getting in flight time and is power adequate. Also will the pro-lites (87a continuos) handle the sustained high discharge of pattern flyng.I was thinking of using the Hacker A50-16L, the recomended Hyperion z4035-b14, or maybe a Scorpion. Any experieced input would be of great help
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

Bill,
I fly the Helios 90 on a Scorpion 4020-16 with 6s 3700mah (Rhino)packs. ~1250 watts on a 7lb. plane. Maybe not enough power for the upper levels of competition but I fly Sportsman and it's more than enough for that (and I fly in Denver). Plenty of vertical. I fly at half-throttle most of the time and I get 7+ minutes per pack.

Beyond that, I love the plane. Everything was straight out of the box and the build was easy. It's very smooth in the air and with the light setup I fly, it was quite affordable.

Let me know if you have more questions.

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Old 01-11-2010, 10:04 PM
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Great, thanks for the reply. I have heard nothing but good about how it flys so I am excited. I have searched high and low to find a plane like this. Looks good to me, flys good, and will allow me to share the packs withanother model. What do you have for servos? I was going to use the futaba 9650's (62/.11)all around except the rudder which will get a 9452 (128/.11). I did notice some complaints about the elevator joiner so I was planing to run a 9650 on each half. Also some said far less throw was needed than specified so maybe run under ratio on the linkage, i.e. 1" servo horn/1.25" surface horn to help reduce the effects of gear slop and increaseresolution. Do you have plenty of adjustability with your pack for moving the cg around? where do you like the cg? The 8s will be a little different, I know.
I was going to get the plane today but noticed it is on back order from AlleRC. Dangit. Gonna get the 10e version just for fun too. What prop do you run? looks like I might barely make it in to the new Xoar 18" pattern props with this plane. Thanks for your time
Old 01-12-2010, 11:58 AM
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I have a Helios 90 with a Scorpion 4025-16 motor , 8s Rhino 4900 mah batteries ,
Mejzlic 17x10 carbon prop that I have not flown yet but a friend has one with the
exact same set up and it flies very well, lots of power. I'm sure you will like it.

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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

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I'd have to check the plane(I'm at work, so she ain't here for CG. I think it's pretty close to the recommended location. Maybe a hair (like 1/8") back.
For servos, I have Futaba digitals for the elevator and rudder. 9155s I believe. I didn't feel like the plane needed digitals on the ailerons, so I have some larger Hitec servos in the wings (not sure what model number). You are correct; the elevator does not need to move much.

For a prop, I use an XOAR 16x10. If I ever fly at a lower altitude, I'll probably need to make that a bit smaller to keeps the amps the same. Like I said earlier though, 1250 watts is plenty here in Denver.

Lastly, there is plenty of room for my packs. I don't know the size of your 8s packs, but with 6s, I have a large amount of fore/aft space for balancing. I use a CC Phoenix ICE75 as an ESC. It handles up to 8s packs with BEC, so no Rx battery.

Tom
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

thanks for the feedback guys.Tommy, how long can you fly on the 4900's?
Didnt know the the ICE had a bec. I was just going to get a pheonix HV cause I already have a Eagletree but thats worth it strictly from the standpoint of not having to dork w/ a seperate system for the RX. 2 weeks until ALL E gets some more of the 90's in. in the mean time I have the 10e on the way (not that I need another small plane).
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

Has anyone built and flown the 63e version? and if so what was their setup?
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Bill,

I haven't flown mine yet but my friend can get 7 to 10 minutes flight time depending
on the wind and how heavy handed he gets with the throttle. I had the 60e that I flew for
around 4-5 months before I sold it to him so now he has the 60 and 90 size. The 60e has a
Scorpion 4020-12 motor with an Airboss 80 elite ESC and 4s 3700 and 4900 mah Rhinos.
I actually bought my 90e before he did but I kinda got sidetracked converting my 2 meter
OTOP to e-power.

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Who sells these?
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ALL e RC is the only one I know of
http://www.allerc.com/index.php?cPat...t_order&page=3
Helios' are at bottom of this page
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

Nice to see I'm not the only one who recently picked up a 90e. Did it for about the same reasons Bill did, wanting to spend more time in Intermediate.

I have the CC HV85 and plan to use 2x4S packs, probably 3750 to 4400 mah. Still undecided on the motor, the new Hyperion ZS4035's have gotten good reviews and can't decide wich wind to get. I prefer 2 elevator servos but want to keep weight as low as possible too.

What has been written here is helpful already. Not a whole lot out there in this model, seems the 10e, 25e and 60e are most popular. I would appreciate any suggestions.

-Steve
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

I have the 63e version. I used the recommended Hyperion motor and Hyperion ESC with it. Its got plenty of punch in my opinion. Im using a TP extreme 4s 4600mah lipo
Here's its maiden flight if I remember correctly...sorry for the poor video..but maybe it will give you an idea of the vertical performance on the OEM setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL6FU_NaJ4w
Im not much of a pattern pilot, but it will do intermediate no problems. I havent tried the P sequences with it...



Old 03-13-2010, 12:22 AM
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ORIGINAL: bdavison

I have the 63e version. I used the recommended Hyperion motor and Hyperion ESC with it. Its got plenty of punch in my opinion. Im using a TP extreme 4s 4600mah lipo
Here's its maiden flight if I remember correctly...sorry for the poor video..but maybe it will give you an idea of the vertical performance on the OEM setup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL6FU_NaJ4w
Im not much of a pattern pilot, but it will do intermediate no problems. I havent tried the P sequences with it...



I read your reveiws on your site. I have yet to get the 90 asoriginally planed because my10e is serving the purpose so far. I amusing a MicroDan 2510-1300 motor (very efficient), CC Pheonix 25 esc, TP 1320 V2 prolite or 1350 pro power with Futaba 3156 digitals, and a 10x4 Xoar. Weight w/ the 1320 is 24.4oz and flys for 7+ minutes withmore than enoughpower although I havent flown a complete sequence. Still trimming after 10 flights (weather has been horrible here in florida for the last 6 weeks), moving the cg further and further back a little at a time as I am hoping for a little more 3d performance too. Plane runs 58mph and doesnt require any mixing yet. I am veryhappy with how it flys unfortunatley it really shows how bad I suck at precision.Its my poor mans pattern ship completewith a tru turn. If I ever crash it I will get another as I was very happy with the quality and level of finish work completed by the factory.The supplied linkages were junk but for 104 bucks I aint complaining.
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Well i've built the thing, but i haven't flown it yet. I'm going to try it with a Rimfire 42-60 480 motor, the batteries will be 3700, 25 c's 4s's. Hopefully this will at least get me a 8 min flight. if someone has an opinion please comment.
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Could this fly on a 5S setup? The weight is similar to the Osiris. The Osiris uses the Hacker A50 12s. I also have a C5014xl laying around. I know this would be total overkill but it might be interesting.





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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

RC11, are you talking about the 63e size or the 90e size? With my 63e, I use the same packs as my competition plane(5 cell 5000mah). It flies pattern with them pretty well even though they are a little heavy for this size plane.

Here is my setup for my 63e:
Motor: TGY AerodriveXp SK Series 42-60 500Kv / 1475
ESC: TURNIGY Plush 60amp
Battery: Blue Lipo 5 cell 5000mah 20C

Plane has never seen more than 80% throttle as it has never been needed
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I have the 90e. I am currently playing around with some 10S packs and a Hyperion ZS4035 12 motor. The motor is supposed to fly on 8s. It is a heavy set up and is still totally ballistic! I am pretty sure that the plane will do just fine with the same set up that is being run on the Osiris. They are using the Hacker A50 12S on 5 cells. I could take almost 2# out of the plane and I feel it would be a much better performer. I would like to know if others have run it lighter with less power and what results they had.

Thanks for the reply,
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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

Decided on a 5S setup. Hacker A5012S V2, 5 Oz lighter than the Hyperion that was in it. Hacker 110 ESC with BEC 2 Oz lighter and I can't find a HV100 ICE anyway. No Reg and switch and RX pack,another 4Oz. 5S 5000 pack, 21 oz lighter than the 8S 5000 packs that were on board.
Thats 32Oz lighter.
Should be able to fly this weekend and give a flight report. The plane flew well but I'm betting it will fly nicely 25% lighter...



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Default RE: Hyperion Helios power and expectations

You could have used the 100 ICE Light, too. That is what I use in my Osiris on 5S with 111 flights to date.
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Too late now Joe but thanks. I didn't look at that for an option. I would have liked to stay with Castle. I have 3 80s and and a 75 and now a Hacker 110.

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I'm back....... after a almost 2 year stint of getting the 3d stick banging skills aways along I'm at the point where I got to get a handle on my precision if I want to move up to the next level. Waiting for Allerc to reload stock on the 90e. Unfortunnatley I missed a killer deal from Tommy. erggg!!!! . I will be using the set up out of my 3DHS 72"Extra 330SC...... 4025-16 scorp, ICE 100/BEC Pro, and 3900 TP prolite 8s and 4200 Outrage 25c8s packs.Anyone had some time on the 90e and can give their thoughts

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