O.k. a little background, i'm still a newb that is learning as I go. My first flying experience was fs one, I still log about 2 hours a week on it. My first real plane was parkzone's cessna 210 centurion which I had no problems with from the start (mostly outside fighting the wind). my second plane is the parkzone decathlon, which after putting on a bigger prop and upping the control throws I'm flying with success. I'm thinking about my third plane and I've narrowed it down to either the cargo trans or the c-47 both from gws. I want an aileron plane and i want multiple engines, so out of these two which would I most likely have success with? Thanks for any advice you all can give me.

Hi Shoegoo,

I took a look at your post the other day and thought I didn't have much to offer, but seeing as no one else has gotten back to you I thought I might mention that I haven't seen the Cargo Trans fly, but I have seen the GWS C47 fly, and it was a challenging plane for the pilot.

Probably the most surprisingly thing was how quickly it had to be flown - this makes sense when you think about it - it's carrying two engines and probably a heavy battery to make sure the amps required can be delivered etc. If you check the website it shows a wing loading of up to 10oz/sq ft - that's heavy and as a consequence it needs to go fast, and if you lose too much energy in a corner she will just stall and go in. In some ways it's like all the worst aspects of a warbird, but a little more so.

All in all it looked like quite a challenging model to fly. The fellow flying it lost it that day, and went home with pieces. While I don't doubt that is is flyable it really needs to be flown like an aircraft. As your first aileron plane as well though I think it may be a bit too much.

Just my 0.02 worth.

Cheers,
Oz.

Hi Shoegoo,

I'm at the opposite end from OZ. I never saw the GWS C-47 fly, but have seen the cargo plane fly. The flyer was an expert level flyer and made it look easy, but I bought three GWS warbirds from him (Mustang, Corsair, Zero) that also looked very easy to fly when they were in his hands, but in my hands they are a real handfull, particularly to land without damage. The flyer said that he had to make some extensive modifications to the cargo plane to make it fly well.

I don't think that either of these planes would be good for you at this time. Consider getting a good high wing aileron plane, like the Multiplex MiniMagistar (Minimag). I've seen several that have been painted to give them a really good apperance, and their flight characteristics are great.

O.k. my wants may be getting ahead of my proficiency level here. One of my early thoughts for an aileron trainer was the e-starter from gws - I have heard that it makes a good "first 4 channel" plane. Can the e-starter be flown without using rudder? All the planes I'm looking at for the future use elevator and aileron only.

absolutely - but you will reach a point where you want the rudder for aerobatics, but that may be a way away yet.

Just noticed on a site in the UK that the GWS E-Starter has been discontinued over here anyway, if that is the case will make it hard to get parts if you need them.
I had the Multiplex Minimag with a GWS Brushless whcih needed a few mods to the engine mount to fit, absolutely superb plane and gave me the stick time I desperately needed and got to the stage of throwing it around in the air, inverted, rolls etc, I was going to upgrade and the guy at the model shop suggested I up the throws before I did and slowly edge the CoG back before I went to the next level which I did little by little and made it more responsive and the rolls flatter / faster.
You say in the future you'll only have 3 channel you may well suprise yourself, I though I'd be the same and have a warbird but once you master flying round in circles what do you do then, I now have a Multiplex Acromaster and can do most aerobatics and am trying to learn to do 3D.
If you've already upped the throws on the Decathlon and have loads of simulator time you may possibly be able to go to a Multiplex Gemini and set the rates lower than the instruction manual says but you possibly run the risk of destrying it on it's maiden if you've never flown with ailerons before !!!!!!!
Good luck and happy flying whichever you decide on !!!!!
Neville

Take a look at the Multiplex TwinStar.

http://www.multiplexusa.com/models/P.../twinstar2.htm

Twin engines, ailerons and very docile.

It may be the one you're looking for.

BobbyG

how muich is the twinstar? it doesnt say.

Well I ordered an e-starter the other day - mostly because of the vast knowledge base I found for this plane. I'll let everyone know how the maiden goes. (may be a little while, saving up for a dx7).

Here's a link to it at Tower Hobbies.

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin...?&I=LXKYH2&P=7

You'll need an ESC, a battery pack and four servos. It doesn't come with everything in the box, but at 80 bucks it's a good deal.

Note that you'll need medium CA and activator because of the type of foam.

BobbyG