I got 6 quarts of that Klotz oil....not doing me any good here, because I am on Vacation in sunny Florida. I got on a puter at a library to read whats going on. Sounds like you guys are having a lot of fun with the engine conversions!!! When I get back in eary april...I can start experimenting again! Untill then...take care guys and Best Regards Capt,n

You suck man, you didn't have to rub it in. Just kiddin captin, you have lots of fun over in Florida. If I could afford it I'd live right by the track in Daytona. CAN WE SAY NASCAR? And beautiful, gorgeous beaches with little things of beauty in bikini's runnin round on them. Ah, come back to earth Jezmo, Earth to Jezmo.

Here's another "plug tutorial", seems there is some differing philosphies or down right misinfo sprinkled about the web. I just found this
jem from the early days, when I got my first whiff of glow fuel. (plastic yellow TriPacer U-control, powered by the "mighty OK cub" , under the Christmas Tree, 1959) "Cold plug" is just as it seems, sure, there is less methanol with High Nitro, but the use of a cold plug in this case retards the ignition point. (it is probably heavier wire, but for shock resistance in a severe racing app. not heavier wire to boost the ignition probability for lack of methanol content)

http://www.iroquois.free-online.co.uk/gloplug.htm

Jesmo: I am still on vacation in florida. Kinda looking to get back and do some engine testing. It should be warm or warmer when we get back. Hope all my old RCU engine fans are still onboard!!! Best regards Capt,n

Capti'n did you see the video of the Echo twin?

Sounds great captin, glad your getting to enjoy some vacation time. We're holdin the fort down here in engine forum land.

hello everybody.
I´m from Brazil, and since OS lauched its new ethanol engine, we are very interested in converting our engines. Here we have ethanol in every gas station since 1978. the first ethanol moved vehicle produced in large scale was a fiat 147, then VW beetle... in 80´s, 85% of brazilian engines was burning ethanol...it means that this fuel here is very cheap. We have a sort of domestic ethanol with 98% of alcohol volume and 2% of water. our commercial ethanol fuel have 7% of water and no gas. Great! Wy we are still using methanol? I really don´t know.... two friends in our community in orkut got the os AX-BE engine and the BE3 glow plug, but they are doing the breakin in the engines now...not much information comes from those guys...I got many hints here, thanks, in this week we shall start our experiments.....sorry by my english.....wish us luck....bye

rasprot: How good of gas mileage do your cars & trucks get with the cheap gas there? It seems like gas milage would suffer badly??? Best Regards Capt,n

we don´t have any truck running with ethanol, just cars...an inexpensive(most w/ 1.0 engine) car, can do 8Km/litre or 18.8 miles/gallon in city. Some cars with flex fuel engines, like citroen c4 pallas, can run 5Km/litre or less. With gas only, it can run a bit more. Generally ethanol moved vehicles has a greater consumption of fuel. Good flights there.

Hi everyone. This is my first post. I find this very interesting. Can any direct me to a forum that can detail the conversion from GLOW to GAS. I must admit I am a newbie so the dummies version would be helpful. Or if anyone has a step by step list for conversion.

Thanks to all,

Douglas

im going to dig this one back up for a question.

was it ever decided on the proper mix for the smaller glow engines?

my own personal case would be an os fp20, tower hobbies 40, and an old os sp40 (i think)

anyone?

I guess nobody has determined the optimum E85 fuel mix. It sounds like it's time to experiment. I'll be doing so soon.

Hello. I think that 18% of castor oil and 10% of nitro would be good, but there is a little problem: the compression ratio and the steaming of E85 and air. the compression have to be raised from 9:1 to 13:1 and steaming from 1:1 to 1:6 (both require some serious mods in the cylinder volume and carburetor).

resuming: I quit doing this conversion, due to the poor resulting performance after the conversion and the amount of work doing this...

sorry by the english I´m from Brazil.

good flying out there.

Folks, I didn't do anything modwise to my SuperTigre 40 and it runs very good on 10% Nitro, 18% Oil, 10% methanol, and 62% E85. It's running an A3 OS plug and starts by hand. I don't know if this mix will work in all engines but the ST 40 likes it.

(I'm sure it doesn't matter but the oil is 80/20 blend.)

st is a great engine. I did some tests in an os 46fx. the goal was to eliminate all the methanol and the nitro, just castor oil and E85. didn´t work very well wihtout those theorical modifications. I think that a GAS engine can run in E85, due to the ignition system, but this is another history.

I tried some E85 and 15% cool power 2:1 with additional 10% Klotz synthetic oil. Used an O.S. F glow plug and it ran very well. Up and down the rpm range on an O.S. FP40. Then mixed straight E85 and 18% Klotz synthetic oil and to my surprise is was smooth as silk. $2.49 a gallon for E85 and a little bit of oil and a new small 2 stroke fuel for my arsonal.

Next I will try it in a Saito 150 and will let you know. If that works on to a Super Tigre S2000 and a Super Tigre S61.

Any body else has any new mixtures?

I guess you could call this a Gas fuel with Glow ignition you are using. Do you know the contents/specks of the E85 you use? Is all E85 about the same mix and quality? Thanks Capt,n Capt,n

E85 is 85% ethanol and 15%gasoline.

Is E85 the fuel that people say you loose 15% or more fuel mileage when run in a auto or truck? What is the octane of it? "just curious." Thanks Capt,n[:-]

Octane is around 105. It is true that a vehicle will lose some gas mileage with E-85 unless it has an engine specifically designed for it. With the high octane, one could raise the compression ratio of the engine significantly, and this would not only increase power quite a lot, but it would gain back most, if not all of the fuel mileage lost.

High compression is what we call a "no lose" modification on an engine IF you have the fuel to run it. It impressively increases engine efficiency across the rpm band, whereas many other common engine mods cause the engine to lose low rpm torque in order to gain horsepower, and usually cause worse fuel mileage as well.

AV8TOR

It kinda sounds like the Big SuperTiger 2300 & 3250 should run good on this E85 and about 10-12% Klotz oil....and the OS "F" Glow plug. Now that is a easy conversion! Capt,n UPDATE Places to buy E85 http://e85vehicles.com/e85-stations.htm

Here in Brazil, the E85 is 85% ethanol / 15% water. the water acts as additive, raising and keeping heat of combustion. I think that little engines doesn´t like that water at all.

If your engines are runnig good, the answer is the gas in your E85.

And there is another problem, our gasoline have 23% of E85.

I will do some try with ethanol at 98% and castor oil.

good flying out there.

That list of E85 stations is not complete. I have a Shell down the street from me that is not listed. I'm not sure if the other 2 Shells in Crystal Lake have it.

Hellow: I was going to try the E85 and Klotz oil mix in a .60 Supertiger or one of my other simular size Glow engines. I did talk with one person about trying using E85. It may be the fuel he bought...but he said it stuck the carb barrel on his engine after setting only one day! Maybe a after run oil is needed. Did you have any trouble with sticky carb barrels? thanks Very much, Capt,n